2020 Offseason Strategy Thread

[Pinkyring]

While there will be a lot of names on the UFA market in 2021, I'm not sure any of them will leave their current teams. For instance, I can't imagine Anthony Davis, Leonard or George leaving Los Angeles.

A ton of the 2021 UFA players have gotten pretty old (LeBron, Conley, Paul, Lowry) and many of them will not be good fits here (Drummond and DeRozan).

So while we may wish to go all out in 2021, it's a lot more limiting than it sounds. Dallas has to outspend for someone like Holiday or Hayward. It would be a surprise if Giannis was determined to be a UFA in 2021, but who really thinks he'd want to be in Dallas rather than some coastal team? The fact is, we haven't had much success with good FA's. That may change with Doncic, but it may not. 2021 doesn't necessarily lean in favor of a big Dallas acquisition just because a few big names are on the market.

This is why, this draft night might be really important. We don't have a lot of good trade assets, but we do have good draft assets this year. And after this playoff series, I suspect the Mavericks will be enthusiastic about adding some real upgrades.

This is exactly why i think waiting til 21 free agency is dumb, if giannis doesn't accept the supermax before the season then that might be a sign he's willing to leave but thats not something to bank on. The only other realistic fits are jrue, Hayward, and conley none of which are worth the max id too jrue out at 3/75 Hayward 3/66 and conley at 3/15 might not be enough to get it done but regardless im not delaying current roster improvement to pay any of them

[arkuo]

While there will be a lot of names on the UFA market in 2021, I'm not sure any of them will leave their current teams. For instance, I can't imagine Anthony Davis, Leonard or George leaving Los Angeles.

A ton of the 2021 UFA players have gotten pretty old (LeBron, Conley, Paul, Lowry) and many of them will not be good fits here (Drummond and DeRozan).

So while we may wish to go all out in 2021, it's a lot more limiting than it sounds. Dallas has to outspend for someone like Holiday or Hayward. It would be a surprise if Giannis was determined to be a UFA in 2021, but who really thinks he'd want to be in Dallas rather than some coastal team? The fact is, we haven't had much success with good FA's. That may change with Doncic, but it may not. 2021 doesn't necessarily lean in favor of a big Dallas acquisition just because a few big names are on the market.

This is why, this draft night might be really important. We don't have a lot of good trade assets, but we do have good draft assets this year. And after this playoff series, I suspect the Mavericks will be enthusiastic about adding some real upgrades.

This is exactly why i think waiting til 21 free agency is dumb, if giannis doesn't accept the supermax before the season then that might be a sign he's willing to leave but thats not something to bank on. The only other realistic fits are jrue, Hayward, and conley none of which are worth the max id too jrue out at 3/75 Hayward 3/66 and conley at 3/15 might not be enough to get it done but regardless im not delaying current roster improvement to pay any of them

I get this. But it seems like Cuban and his boys are betting it all on 2021. Their refusal to take in more contracts says they are.

Giannis should be everyone's plan A.
Plan B can be Oladipo or Hayward. Maybe Jrue too.
I dont think Gobert would fit here. Maybe the Clippers lose this season and Kawhi and PG decide to go separate ways in 2021. PG would be a nice wing player to complement Luka + KP even without Giannis.

[JJP]

I get this. But it seems like Cuban and his boys are betting it all on 2021. Their refusal to take in more contracts says they are.

Giannis should be everyone's plan A.
Plan B can be Oladipo or Hayward. Maybe Jrue too.
I dont think Gobert would fit here. Maybe the Clippers lose this season and Kawhi and PG decide to go separate ways in 2021. PG would be a nice wing player to complement Luka + KP even without Giannis.

I'm not entirely sure the two things are mutually exclusive. Probably the trick in all this is how we treat Tim Hardaway's contract.

Still, I think it's rather simple. The Mavericks have certain weaknesses. You don't wait for specific players to become available in order to fix them. It's too high of a risk in free agency. Given the Mavericks poor history in acquiring top-notch free agents, they need to always look for trading partners. They need to get better next year if they can.

The good thing about the second-half of next season is that a lot of dominoes will move in synch after the 2021 season comes to an end (or even before at the trade deadline). Maybe you get lucky on Kawhi or maybe you end up with someone like Oubre, but the pieces are likely to get shuffled. The point being that this is likely a two-year window to really get the main players together. You don't have to be desperate. But you do have to be engaged with trades. The Mavs should know now what they need to do to surround Doncic with the appropriate cast.

[fuller4379]

Assuming THJ and WCS opt into their contract, we will have the following expiring contracts.

THJ $18,975,000
WCS $2,286,357
Justin Jackson $5,029,650
Boban Marjanović $3,500,000


That is almost $30 million and will give us ammo at trade deadline. It will put us into position to get an ovepaid, but solid player next year at the trade deadline as some of the other teams are going to want to get out of their signings before the 2019-2020 season and clear out cap space.

[JJP]

Assuming THJ and WCS opt into their contract, we will have the following expiring contracts.

THJ $18,975,000
WCS $2,286,357
Justin Jackson $5,029,650
Boban Marjanović $3,500,000


That is almost $30 million and will give us ammo at trade deadline. It will put us into position to get an ovepaid, but solid player next year at the trade deadline as some of the other teams are going to want to get out of their signings before the 2019-2020 season and clear out cap space.

Who is this "solid player"? I would be surprised if the Mavs are thinking that narrowly.

The Mavericks are an odd team because of Luca's particular skill and Carlisle's style. There are a lot of needs. The reason for the Mavericks to be active after the 2021 season is not because a few high-priced players will be available. I think it's because there's more opportunity when a lot of salaries and players are moving together. They might want to manage their salary structure so they can play in 2021-2022 off-season - but that in itself shouldn't dictate how the Mavs choose to upgrade. The best offer may still come in the form of a trade.

I would argue that the Mavericks are looking for skills as much as any particular player. They probably have a list of players that they would like to see in their rotation. Some will be rotation players and some starters. They probably have a list of teams that have salary problems (or for some reason might be eager to trade). If the skill warrants it, there's no good reason to hold back on commitment just so you can play bigger during the 2021-2022 free agency. Unless some superstar player is sending signals to Dallas that he wants to be here, it's hard to bank on free agency bidding war going our way (see Kemba Walker).

The Clippers may have the best team now not because of Leonard or George, but because they recognized what Lou Williams could bring to the table. Milwaukee understood how Brook Lopez could change their team. There's plenty of time to upgrade the team that way. The important thing is that you have two seasons to do it well.

[Mr B]

While there will be a lot of names on the UFA market in 2021, I'm not sure any of them will leave their current teams. For instance, I can't imagine Anthony Davis, Leonard or George leaving Los Angeles.

A ton of the 2021 UFA players have gotten pretty old (LeBron, Conley, Paul, Lowry) and many of them will not be good fits here (Drummond and DeRozan).

So while we may wish to go all out in 2021, it's a lot more limiting than it sounds. Dallas has to outspend for someone like Holiday or Hayward. It would be a surprise if Giannis was determined to be a UFA in 2021, but who really thinks he'd want to be in Dallas rather than some coastal team? The fact is, we haven't had much success with good FA's. That may change with Doncic, but it may not. 2021 doesn't necessarily lean in favor of a big Dallas acquisition just because a few big names are on the market.

This is why, this draft night might be really important. We don't have a lot of good trade assets, but we do have good draft assets this year. And after this playoff series, I suspect the Mavericks will be enthusiastic about adding some real upgrades.

This is exactly why i think waiting til 21 free agency is dumb, if giannis doesn't accept the supermax before the season then that might be a sign he's willing to leave but thats not something to bank on. The only other realistic fits are jrue, Hayward, and conley none of which are worth the max id too jrue out at 3/75 Hayward 3/66 and conley at 3/15 might not be enough to get it done but regardless im not delaying current roster improvement to pay any of them

I get this. But it seems like Cuban and his boys are betting it all on 2021. Their refusal to take in more contracts says they are.

Giannis should be everyone's plan A.
Plan B can be Oladipo or Hayward. Maybe Jrue too.
I dont think Gobert would fit here. Maybe the Clippers lose this season and Kawhi and PG decide to go separate ways in 2021. PG would be a nice wing player to complement Luka + KP even without Giannis.

I thought about that, if Kawhi and/or George would leave if they don’t win a title this year and next year. Based on all the interviews I saw from Kawhi it seems like he walked away from this series really impressed with Luka. If he were to ever leave LA would he consider Dallas in order to play with Luka? Paul George would be nice too (if not Kawhi).

Now I know both are from LA and Kawhi has been trying to get traded to LA for a long time. I know there is basically 0 chance of them leaving. Luka and Kawhi in Dallas would be fun to watch though.


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[Mr B]

Assuming THJ and WCS opt into their contract, we will have the following expiring contracts.

THJ $18,975,000
WCS $2,286,357
Justin Jackson $5,029,650
Boban Marjanović $3,500,000


That is almost $30 million and will give us ammo at trade deadline. It will put us into position to get an ovepaid, but solid player next year at the trade deadline as some of the other teams are going to want to get out of their signings before the 2019-2020 season and clear out cap space.

Who is this "solid player"? I would be surprised if the Mavs are thinking that narrowly.

The Mavericks are an odd team because of Luca's particular skill and Carlisle's style. There are a lot of needs. The reason for the Mavericks to be active after the 2021 season is not because a few high-priced players will be available. I think it's because there's more opportunity when a lot of salaries and players are moving together. They might want to manage their salary structure so they can play in 2021-2022 off-season - but that in itself shouldn't dictate how the Mavs choose to upgrade. The best offer may still come in the form of a trade.

I would argue that the Mavericks are looking for skills as much as any particular player. They probably have a list of players that they would like to see in their rotation. Some will be rotation players and some starters. They probably have a list of teams that have salary problems (or for some reason might be eager to trade). If the skill warrants it, there's no good reason to hold back on commitment just so you can play bigger during the 2021-2022 free agency. Unless some superstar player is sending signals to Dallas that he wants to be here, it's hard to bank on free agency bidding war going our way (see Kemba Walker).

The Clippers may have the best team now not because of Leonard or George, but because they recognized what Lou Williams could bring to the table. Milwaukee understood how Brook Lopez could change their team. There's plenty of time to upgrade the team that way. The important thing is that you have two seasons to do it well.

Kemba was kind of a different situation. He said it came down to Boston or Dallas. At the time though, Boston was the best choice for him. No one knew that Luka was going to progress this far this fast. If Kemba had that decision to make again knowing everything that happen this season he likely picks Dallas this time.


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[JJP]

Kemba was kind of a different situation. He said it came down to Boston or Dallas. At the time though, Boston was the best choice for him. No one knew that Luka was going to progress this far this fast. If Kemba had that decision to make again knowing everything that happen this season he likely picks Dallas this time.

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I actually don't think so. From what I understand, he has always wanted to play in Boston.

Luca may have the ability to draw in players this season, but superstars can go where they want. Dallas is not Los Angeles, Miami, or Boston (or New York in better years, now it's New Jersey Nets). Location matters. This is the way it was when Dirk was king. People loved him, but they didn't move to Dallas to play with him. Cuban tried.

The great players Dallas has acquired have not come through free agency. It's nice to think Luca might change that, but that may be too optimistic at present.

Kevin Durant didn't go flying off to Golden State until it was clear they were playing for all the marbles. I don't think we can bank on superstars making Dallas a new free agency destination until we prove can go deep in the playoffs.

[HMFFL]

He plays for the Bulls.

LOL.. My mistake
Was at work researching it quickly and I was stuck on his Philly days. Still bounces around and is probably available.

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You woke up six years later and....

That said, I think both he and Milsap are just the types of players that might take shorter contracts and still be a net positive.

No doubt.
Been involved with so much off here my research went soir quick..lol

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[HMFFL]

Miami is handling Milwaukee fairly easily.
Time to get our game plan for the Freak started!

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[Pointguard01]

While there will be a lot of names on the UFA market in 2021, I'm not sure any of them will leave their current teams. For instance, I can't imagine Anthony Davis, Leonard or George leaving Los Angeles.

A ton of the 2021 UFA players have gotten pretty old (LeBron, Conley, Paul, Lowry) and many of them will not be good fits here (Drummond and DeRozan).

So while we may wish to go all out in 2021, it's a lot more limiting than it sounds. Dallas has to outspend for someone like Holiday or Hayward. It would be a surprise if Giannis was determined to be a UFA in 2021, but who really thinks he'd want to be in Dallas rather than some coastal team? The fact is, we haven't had much success with good FA's. That may change with Doncic, but it may not. 2021 doesn't necessarily lean in favor of a big Dallas acquisition just because a few big names are on the market.

This is why, this draft night might be really important. We don't have a lot of good trade assets, but we do have good draft assets this year. And after this playoff series, I suspect the Mavericks will be enthusiastic about adding some real upgrades.

This is exactly why i think waiting til 21 free agency is dumb, if giannis doesn't accept the supermax before the season then that might be a sign he's willing to leave but thats not something to bank on. The only other realistic fits are jrue, Hayward, and conley none of which are worth the max id too jrue out at 3/75 Hayward 3/66 and conley at 3/15 might not be enough to get it done but regardless im not delaying current roster improvement to pay any of them

Agree with most of this. Conley is done, he won’t have much of a role in 2021 when he’s a FA. And not sure i’d give Hayward that much money. He’s really a 4th banana now, not a #3.

Jrue though is a top 30 player by most accounts. With all the low cost assets we have, I’d do pretty much anything for him. Add Jrue and then rearrange the role players around Luka/KP/Jrue and we are a contender.

[Pinkyring]

While there will be a lot of names on the UFA market in 2021, I'm not sure any of them will leave their current teams. For instance, I can't imagine Anthony Davis, Leonard or George leaving Los Angeles.

A ton of the 2021 UFA players have gotten pretty old (LeBron, Conley, Paul, Lowry) and many of them will not be good fits here (Drummond and DeRozan).

So while we may wish to go all out in 2021, it's a lot more limiting than it sounds. Dallas has to outspend for someone like Holiday or Hayward. It would be a surprise if Giannis was determined to be a UFA in 2021, but who really thinks he'd want to be in Dallas rather than some coastal team? The fact is, we haven't had much success with good FA's. That may change with Doncic, but it may not. 2021 doesn't necessarily lean in favor of a big Dallas acquisition just because a few big names are on the market.

This is why, this draft night might be really important. We don't have a lot of good trade assets, but we do have good draft assets this year. And after this playoff series, I suspect the Mavericks will be enthusiastic about adding some real upgrades.

This is exactly why i think waiting til 21 free agency is dumb, if giannis doesn't accept the supermax before the season then that might be a sign he's willing to leave but thats not something to bank on. The only other realistic fits are jrue, Hayward, and conley none of which are worth the max id too jrue out at 3/75 Hayward 3/66 and conley at 3/15 might not be enough to get it done but regardless im not delaying current roster improvement to pay any of them

Agree with most of this. Conley is done, he won’t have much of a role in 2021 when he’s a FA. And not sure i’d give Hayward that much money. He’s really a 4th banana now, not a #3.

Jrue though is a top 30 player by most accounts. With all the low cost assets we have, I’d do pretty much anything for him. Add Jrue and then rearrange the role players around Luka/KP/Jrue and we are a contender.

Its 22 mil for Hayward but its only 3 yrs to coincide with kp expiring, Hayward is 17-5-5 with elite efficiency and most importantly he can operate as a secondary playmaker/facilitator which we desperately need

[Pointguard01]

Yeah, I don’t hate the move. I think Hayward is a good player. I just don’t love it. As a plan C, I’d support it. He makes us better.

[JJP]

Jrue probably has enough in the tank for a 2-3year contract if he gets to FA. He's not as old as the other players I mentioned. I mean look at what Dragic is doing Miami at 34. The PG position may be a little different in that regard.

[Bluelabel24]

another low risk prospect... Kenny Wooten- 22yrs, extremely athletic- from westchester knicks.
guy was regarded as one of the best shot blockers in the country in college.

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[Pinkyring]

I just think differently than most, i don't like the idea of building around luka,this team is void talent we have 2 legit starters and a bunch of backups, a lot of u hate derozen ideas and I get it it's not ideal fitbut it's another legit starter and a guy who can command the offense if luka goes down a month.

[JJP]

I just think differently than most, i don't like the idea of building around luka,this team is void talent we have 2 legit starters and a bunch of backups, a lot of u hate derozen ideas and I get it it's not ideal fitbut it's another legit starter and a guy who can command the offense if luka goes down a month.

While I understand your point, I'm not sure you can just go and pick players that score the most points. I think you really have to account for certain metrics and a certain style of play. Otherwise you'll end up with a team of misfit toys.

[Pointguard01]

I just think differently than most, i don't like the idea of building around luka,this team is void talent we have 2 legit starters and a bunch of backups, a lot of u hate derozen ideas and I get it it's not ideal fitbut it's another legit starter and a guy who can command the offense if luka goes down a month.

I some-what agree. And generally agree we need more talent.

But, youre being too critical of some of the talent. - - THJ was a 15-PPG scorer at 40% shooting. He gives enough effort on D to make it work. As your 4th or 5th best player, he works.
- DFS fills a great role in this team (good defender, low volume, crashes the boards). He essentially plays the Deshawn Stevenson role where he starts even if he’s not one of your 5 best offensive players.
- Seth Curry is a top 6th man candidate off the bench.

To me, Dallas is missing:
- The 3rd guy. Someone who can defender and score (ie Jrue Holiday, Kyle Lowry, Aaron Gordon)
- One more wing defender (ie Jamycheal Green, Jae Crowder, Thad Young, Justin Holiday)

[JJP]

To me, Dallas is missing:
- The 3rd guy. Someone who can defender and score (ie Jrue Holiday, Kyle Lowry, Aaron Gordon)
- One more wing defender (ie Jamycheal Green, Jae Crowder, Thad Young, Justin Holiday)

To that point, let's put this salary soup another way.

Essentially you need to trade a backup PG (Wright) and SF (Jackson) and somehow acquire a starting veteran PF and an adequate defensive wing player for the rotation. Some expiring contracts will help that issue. These players will likely be on short contracts.

You can get Burke for cheap hopefully, and maybe get a third 3-point guy (maybe just sign Courtney Lee to a 1-year contract).

The bottom line is that whatever you do, there needs to be better defense in the starting lineup and the rotation.

I doubt we get that third star this next season. We may just get better defensive filler for 2021.

[jpengland]

I just think differently than most, i don't like the idea of building around luka,this team is void talent we have 2 legit starters and a bunch of backups, a lot of u hate derozen ideas and I get it it's not ideal fitbut it's another legit starter and a guy who can command the offense if luka goes down a month.

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