***Around The League 2020 Bubble Thread***

KGdaBom · Post #201 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 8:44 am

karch34 wrote:Think if you had CP3 instead of Gallinari shooting the FT at the end might have changed things.

Gallo is about the best FT shooter in the NBA.

KGdaBom · Post #202 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 8:46 am

minimus wrote:
Calinks wrote:Pat Riley was crazy not to make the J-Rich trade for Butler when it was on the table earlier, thank God for him he got a second opportunity to get Butler in Philly. You don't let great role players hold you up when you are getting a star.

That said, I didn't expect Butlers impact to be this big. The Heat got a chance to beat the Bucks who were thought as championship-caliber in the last couple of seasons. The moves Miami has made plus getting Butler has transformed them into a step under containership. Big turn around.

Both the Sixers and Timberwolves have fallen off considerably after losing Butler too.

Well. It was not only Butler, but he was a missing piece. Heat as an organisation made a bunch of solid moves, to build the current roster.

* - added two elite shooters in Robinson and Herro at 6mil per year. Which is crazy to think about. However, it is critical to surround Butler with elite shooters, because he is a bad 3pt shooter, but an excellent complementary scorer. Something that Thibs never understood
* - found a combo-guard Nunn for 1.5mil per year. Another bargain
* - traded for two experienced veterans, two 3&D players in Iggy, Crowder
* - developed Bam, who IMO should have won MIP award this year
* - they have two stretch fives in Olunik and Leonard
* - they kept financial flexibility and have cap space this offseason

Riley failed with JJ, Waiters, Winslow and Tyler Johnson contracts. But after that, he did an excellent job maximizing his team chances by making maybe small steps diligently, waiting for his chance to play big in NBA trade market.

If not for Butler none of those players look as good as they do.

minimus · Post #203 » by **minimus** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 8:51 am

KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:
Calinks wrote:Pat Riley was crazy not to make the J-Rich trade for Butler when it was on the table earlier, thank God for him he got a second opportunity to get Butler in Philly. You don't let great role players hold you up when you are getting a star.

That said, I didn't expect Butlers impact to be this big. The Heat got a chance to beat the Bucks who were thought as championship-caliber in the last couple of seasons. The moves Miami has made plus getting Butler has transformed them into a step under containership. Big turn around.

Both the Sixers and Timberwolves have fallen off considerably after losing Butler too.

Well. It was not only Butler, but he was a missing piece. Heat as an organization made a bunch of solid moves, to build the current roster.

* - added two elite shooters in Robinson and Herro at 6mil per year. Which is crazy to think about. However, it is critical to surround Butler with elite shooters, because he is a bad 3pt shooter, but an excellent complementary scorer. Something that Thibs never understood
* - found a combo-guard Nunn for 1.5mil per year. Another bargain
* - traded for two experienced veterans, two 3&D players in Iggy, Crowder
* - developed Bam, who IMO should have won MIP award this year
* - they have two stretch fives in Olunik and Leonard
* - they kept financial flexibility and have cap space this offseason

Riley failed with JJ, Waiters, Winslow and Tyler Johnson contracts. But after that, he did an excellent job maximizing his team chances by making maybe small steps diligently, waiting for his chance to play big in NBA trade market.

If not for Butler none of those players look as good as they do.

Butler needs them as well.

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minimus · Post #204 » by **minimus** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 12:10 pm

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TheProdigy · Post #205 » by **TheProdigy** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 1:51 pm

The Nets hire Steve Nash as their new head coach.

Hey KGDaBom, I guess Saunders isn't the least qualified head coach anymore, eh? :lol:

minimus · Post #206 » by **minimus** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 1:55 pm

TheProdigy wrote:The Nets hire Steve Nash as their new head coach.

Hey KGDaBom, I guess Saunders isn't the least qualified head coach anymore, eh?

Read on Twitter

Lack of credentials? Nepotism? Both?

Neeva · Post #207 » by **Neeva** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 2:20 pm

minimus wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:
Well. It was not only Butler, but he was a missing piece. Heat as an organization made a bunch of solid moves, to build the current roster.

* - added two elite shooters in Robinson and Herro at 6mil per year. Which is crazy to think about. However, it is critical to surround Butler with elite shooters, because he is a bad 3pt shooter, but an excellent complementary scorer. Something that Thibs never understood
* - found a combo-guard Nunn for 1.5mil per year. Another bargain
* - traded for two experienced veterans, two 3&D players in Iggy, Crowder
* - developed Bam, who IMO should have won MIP award this year
* - they have two stretch fives in Olunik and Leonard
* - they kept financial flexibility and have cap space this offseason

Riley failed with JJ, Waiters, Winslow and Tyler Johnson contracts. But after that, he did an excellent job maximizing his team chances by making maybe small steps diligently, waiting for his chance to play big in NBA trade market.

If not for Butler none of those players look as good as they do.

Butler needs them as well.

Read on Twitter

Can’t believe some wolves fans want Gordon and others on that rubechat board want Randle and are willing to give up the Nets pick for him :banghead:

minimus · Post #208 » by **minimus** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 2:22 pm

Neeva wrote:
minimus wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:If not for Butler none of those players look as good as they do.

Butler needs them as well.

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Can’t believe some wolves fans want Gordon and others on that rubechat board want Randle and are willing to give up the Nets pick for him

Do you see Butler at #1 in this list as well and Westbrook at #2? They both playing in playoffs, in second round.

KGdaBom · Post #209 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:09 pm

TheProdigy wrote:The Nets hire Steve Nash as their new head coach.

Hey KGDaBom, I guess Saunders isn't the least qualified head coach anymore, eh?

Nash as the greatest offensive coordinator in NBA history has great credentials. he did it right on the court coordinating the entire offense for multiple teams. I love it.

KGdaBom · Post #210 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:10 pm

minimus wrote:
TheProdigy wrote:The Nets hire Steve Nash as their new head coach.

Hey KGDaBom, I guess Saunders isn't the least qualified head coach anymore, eh?

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Lack of credentials? Nepotism? Both?

If you don't think Nash's credentials as the greatest offensive mastermind in NBA history equals credentials I simply don't know what to say to you. Massive credentials.

minimus · Post #211 » by **minimus** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:14 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:
TheProdigy wrote:The Nets hire Steve Nash as their new head coach.

Hey KGDaBom, I guess Saunders isn't the least qualified head coach anymore, eh?

Read on Twitter

Read on Twitter

Lack of credentials? Nepotism? Both?

If you don't think Nash's credentials as the greatest offensive mastermind in NBA history equals credentials I simply don't know what to say to you. Massive credentials.

Yeah, that is why Michael Jordan is a good GM. Massive credentials.

KGdaBom · Post #212 » by **KGdaBom** » Thu Sep 3, 2020 3:19 pm

minimus wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:

Read on Twitter

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Lack of credentials? Nepotism? Both?

If you don't think Nash's credentials as the greatest offensive mastermind in NBA history equals credentials I simply don't know what to say to you. Massive credentials.

Yeah, that is why Michael Jordan is a good GM. Massive credentials.

Michael Jordan was never in charge of orchestrating an offense or defense. He just did his own thing. Magic would be a better example and he wasn't a good coach or GM, but I think Nash will be. Also GM vs Coach is comparing apples to oranges. Time will tell.

minimus · Post #213 » by **minimus** » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:08 am

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Jokic gets exposed in defense. And DEN lost despite having all supporting defensive-minded cast for Nikola:

* - defensive-minded backup C - Plumlee
* - defensive-minded PF - Millsap
* - defensive-minded big wing - Jeremi Grant
* - PoA defender - Gary Harris
* - 3&D - Torrey Craig

What happened?

packforfreedom · Post #214 » by **packforfreedom** » Fri Sep 4, 2020 12:16 pm

in todays league you can't hide bigs who can't defend pick and rolls. it's even worse than being a bad rim protector.

Post #215 » by **Calinks** » Fri Sep 4, 2020 2:18 pm

I'm not sold on Nash. It can work out but I don't see him being a good player meaning he can immediately be an NBA head coach. It's one thing to be on the floor doing it and another thing to be coaching it to players. If all it took was being a great floor general then a lot more PG's would be excelling at coaching NBA and college teams. We will see but I wouldn't be shocked if he was fired in a season or two.

Brooklyn also has big expectations, sometimes that can be a benefit for a new coach if the team is good enough to carry him but if they underperform the spotlight will be right on Nash's dome even if it's not his fault.

KGdaBom · Post #216 » by **KGdaBom** » Fri Sep 4, 2020 2:36 pm

Calinks wrote:I'm not sold on Nash. It can work out but I don't see him being a good player meaning he can immediately be an NBA head coach. It's one thing to be on the floor doing it and another thing to be coaching it to players. If all it took was being a great floor general then a lot more PG's would be excelling at coaching NBA and college teams. We will see but I wouldn't be shocked if he was fired in a season or two.

Brooklyn also has big expectations, sometimes that can be a benefit for a new coach if the team is good enough to carry him but if they underperform the spotlight will be right on Nash's dome even if it's not his fault.

Being a great player by no means equals being a great or even good coach. The position in the NBA that IMO is most likely to translate to coaching is PG. Nash didn't dominate at the position due to athleticism. His hand eye coordination is something that 99.9 percent of players can't match though.
His vision on the court and understanding of how to leave a defense in ruins is hopefully something he can pass on to his team. The best offensive player to ever play.

Post #217 » by **Calinks** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 12:55 am

Bucks are going to have to evaluate a lot if they get smoked by Miami like this.

shangrila · Post #218 » by **shangrila** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:07 am

Calinks wrote:Bucks are going to have to evaluate a lot if they get smoked by Miami like this.

It likely leads to them losing Giannis sadly.

Maybe the absurd amount of money that comes with a supermax convinces him to stay but even then...

At minimum Bledsoe has to go. He's sucked it up for years now. Middleton apparently took 3 months off during the pandemic so it's no wonder he's struggling at times and hell, if he were my teammate I'd have to question his dedication. And who knows, maybe Bud is just a regular season coach? Different styles, obviously, but he seems to get the same results as D'Antoni used to.

Jedzz · Post #219 » by **Jedzz** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:29 am

Our team and fanbase just couldn't let this guy lead them. He's in the playoffs again, with a mix of young players and Vets that this fanbase wouldn't give any respect to either if they were here. Butler, Crowder, Iguadala, Dragic, Olynyk, young players like Bam/Robinson/Herro/Nunn. That team is deep if you believe in them.

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Post #220 » by **Calinks** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 5:18 am

Jedzz wrote:Our team and fanbase just couldn't let this guy lead them. He's in the playoffs again, with a mix of young players and Vets that this fanbase wouldn't give any respect to either if they were here. Butler, Crowder, Iguadala, Dragic, Olynyk, young players like Bam/Robinson/Herro/Nunn. That team is deep if you believe in them.

Watch on YouTube

I think the fans loved him until the incident. I didn't hear many complaints about him until the soft stuff started floating around and the public animosity.