Mitchell Robinson - Rim runners and the playoffs.

[Da_Mane_Man]

btw, this is the exact type of off-season discussion i am here for.

[Kampuchea]

We need to trade Mitch. He’s good but I don’t want to lock up money in a Center unless the roster is filled out. Trade Mitch for a high pick in next years draft if possible.

Mitch will never be as good as Gobert, and he will never be an outside shooter. Pipe dreams.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

The Jazz have a salary of $121mil and Gobert makes $25mil, Mitchell only makes $3mil. I would not want to pay Gobert that much in a vacuum. But how they spent the rest seems to be an even bigger issue. Conley is making $32mil and on the decline and they are missing Bojan who is making $18mil. We could probably build a better team taking that $50mil then Gobert's $25mil.

I do get where you are coming from, and agree with some of it, but just think it's waaay jumping the gun to trade Mitch or that he can't return good value on his next contract. Right now Mitch is only making $1,559,712 and $1,663,861, and we have his bird rights. That is a steal and gives us a ton of options.

Overall, I just think Mitch can be a very valuable player and worth his next deal though. I think the impact Mitch can make, and even the impact that Gobert makes does get a little bit underrated.

Gobert was the highest paid player on the Jazz until the Conley trade, think about that, Mitch is due for his extension next summer. He'll be coming off a season where he presumably starts, he will post big numbers, I have admitted as such but that's why I'm concerned. He is a steal right now, but that's going to change very soon, and if he gets the contract I'm thinking of it will hurt us long term.

I don't think it's jumping the gun at all, we should be forward thinking and how Mitch projects out isn't any different from the other rim runners who got paid big money only for their teams to eventually trade them or let them walk.


Mitch is on a great deal right now, just like Capela, Drummond, Adams, Gobert and Jordan were on great deals, until they signed their second contract.

It's jumping the gun because he still has 2 years left on a cheap contract. There's really no reason to trade him now. It's like a stock that you know is going to go up in value. Just not sure how much. You don't sell before it blows up. And waiting also gives us a much better idea if its even worth holding onto long term. Maybe it blows up more then you expect?

Mitch is eligible for an extension after next season, we only have 1 cheap year left in essence before we need to make a decision and he will be coming off what should be his best season as a pro. The NBA isn't the stock market though, and the way this works is that if he has a good season he'll want a max contract, that will in turn scare away teams that would have otherwise traded for him before, he will have inherently more value to the Knicks than any other team because of fan pressure to resign him because of that good season. He's at his most valuable while still on a rookie contract.

Also, lets think about the returns these type of players have gotten after they signed their extensions, it's not a great return for pretty much any of them.

[god shammgod]

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[3toheadmelo]

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[DOT]

People really trying to make this into a Frank thread too?

Some of y'all are just obsessed with him, I swear.

[Clyde_Style]

People really trying to make this into a Frank thread too?

Some of y'all are just obsessed with him, I swear.

did someone say Frank thread?

[RHODEY]

We need to trade Mitch. He’s good but I don’t want to lock up money in a Center unless the roster is filled out. Trade Mitch for a high pick in next years draft if possible.

Mitch will never be as good as Gobert, and he will never be an outside shooter. Pipe dreams.

You're right, he'll be better.

[blanko]

Mitch is a much better perimeter defender than rudy, much more agile and quicker feet.

Joker went out of his mind shooting the 3 while he is a good shooter he aint gonna shoot that % the whole playoffs.

If he does he would be unstoppable.

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[Deeeez Knicks]

Gobert was the highest paid player on the Jazz until the Conley trade, think about that, Mitch is due for his extension next summer. He'll be coming off a season where he presumably starts, he will post big numbers, I have admitted as such but that's why I'm concerned. He is a steal right now, but that's going to change very soon, and if he gets the contract I'm thinking of it will hurt us long term.

I don't think it's jumping the gun at all, we should be forward thinking and how Mitch projects out isn't any different from the other rim runners who got paid big money only for their teams to eventually trade them or let them walk.


Mitch is on a great deal right now, just like Capela, Drummond, Adams, Gobert and Jordan were on great deals, until they signed their second contract.

It's jumping the gun because he still has 2 years left on a cheap contract. There's really no reason to trade him now. It's like a stock that you know is going to go up in value. Just not sure how much. You don't sell before it blows up. And waiting also gives us a much better idea if its even worth holding onto long term. Maybe it blows up more then you expect?

Mitch is eligible for an extension after next season, we only have 1 cheap year left in essence before we need to make a decision and he will be coming off what should be his best season as a pro. The NBA isn't the stock market though, and the way this works is that if he has a good season he'll want a max contract, that will in turn scare away teams that would have otherwise traded for him before, he will have inherently more value to the Knicks than any other team because of fan pressure to resign him because of that good season. He's at his most valuable while still on a rookie contract.

Also, lets think about the returns these type of players have gotten after they signed their extensions, it's not a great return for pretty much any of them.

The NBA is like a stock market because players value goes up and down. Sure a lot of it depends on price/contract. But if Mitch blows up next year where he is an allstar like Gobert or deserves a max while on the same contract, then it would be without a doubt a horrible idea to trade him now. We would be selling low for sure. If he doesn't get better, then he is not going to get anywhere near a max.

What you are saying really applies to every player on a rookie contract. But that doesn't mean it's a good idea to trade them before you have to pay them or before they blow up. We have not kept a rookie long term since Charlie Ward and it just doesn't work out. Its bad business.

In terms of Mitch, I just disagree about him. I def think he is someone that can be our starting C for years and be a very valuable player. He has a lot of room to get better. At some point you need to start building a core, and I see Mitch being a part of that. I don't think he would cost a max, unless he really blows up. If that happens then its a good problem to have. One of your points is that teams don't value defensive rim running C's and dont want to pay them, so why would anyone offer Mitch a big contract if that is true? Maybe we can even sign him to a bargain contract if teams don't value those types of players.

[E-Balla]

This thread is wild. If anyone is ever shooting 49% from deep on 7 attempts you take that L. Literally nothing you can do about just getting outplayed. That said Gobert averaged 17/11 and had 19/18 in game 7 while holding Denver to 80 points.

With Gobert and Jokic sharing the floor the Jazz outscored Denver by 28 points in the series. When you take Jokic's absolutely terrible defense into account I honestly wouldn't even say he outplayed Gobert in this series.

[HEZI]

Gobert is overrated. Dude would catch the ball on a drop off deep inside the paint and he wouldn't know what to do with it because he was a couple feet away from the basket. If he's not in position to dunk the ball he's completely useless offensively. I don't understand how a pro big who has been in the league that long still has not one, not one, go to move even in the deep post. It's pathetic man. He's just another Tyson Chandler and in this current era that just isn't good enough for a guy making 25 mil. Once the Jazz sign Mitchell to his max contract it's going to be really tough to put legit talent around him because they will have a rim running big taking up a huge chunk of their cap space. They were really fortunate that Mitchell was balling out like that while still on his rookie deal so they had more flexibility with their cap but once he gets that max it's going to be a lot harder to improve. They are going to start looking like the 2013 Knicks.

[Deeeez Knicks]

This is a really great read on the different options with Mitch's contract and why he is valuable for the Knicks to keep. I suggest everyone read this one.

Also, if the Knicks were to extend Mitch early, the max contract would be 4/$56mil. Even if they max'd him out early that is a pretty reasonable contract.

New York can offer a maximum four-year, $56 million contract extension (projected by using an estimated average salary of $10.4 million in 2021-22)

https://dailyknicks.com/2020/09/03/knicks-pros-cons-extending-mitchell-robinson-this-offseason/

[thebuzzardman]

This is a really great read on the different options with Mitch's contract and why he is valuable for the Knicks to keep. I suggest everyone read this one.

Also, if the Knicks were to extend Mitch early, the max contract would be 4/$56mil. Even if they max'd him out early that is a pretty reasonable contract.

New York can offer a maximum four-year, $56 million contract extension (projected by using an estimated average salary of $10.4 million in 2021-22)

https://dailyknicks.com/2020/09/03/knicks-pros-cons-extending-mitchell-robinson-this-offseason/

That might be the way to go. If he stays exactly who he is (likely), it's about his value. Won't be overpaid

[Deeeez Knicks]

This is a really great read on the different options with Mitch's contract and why he is valuable for the Knicks to keep. I suggest everyone read this one.

Also, if the Knicks were to extend Mitch early, the max contract would be 4/$56mil. Even if they max'd him out early that is a pretty reasonable contract.

New York can offer a maximum four-year, $56 million contract extension (projected by using an estimated average salary of $10.4 million in 2021-22)

https://dailyknicks.com/2020/09/03/knicks-pros-cons-extending-mitchell-robinson-this-offseason/

That might be the way to go. If he stays exactly who he is (likely), it's about his value. Won't be overpaid

Yea, that might be the way to go. You can lock Mitch up on a very reasonable, team friendly contract.

If they plan to make a splash in free agency in the next 2 years, then I can see them holding off and taking advantage of his low salary/cap hold. That is a little more risky because Mitch could get a bigger contract possibly. But if they hit big in free agency it could really pay off.

The best thing Pills did was draft Mitch and sign him to this deal. It just gives the Knicks so many different options which is insanely valuable...plus he is a player that could keep getting better.

[j4remi]

I don't even want to talk about Robinson's value or upside until I see him with some better spacing and Kenny Payne for a year. I don't think it's a bad thing to have a player comparable to a perennial candidate for DPOY that just put up 16 and 11 in a competitive 7 game series against a team that's been top 3 in the West for the past two years...and down a key player.

[MaseInYourFace]

Or you could try to develop a cheap stretch 4/5 to back Mitch up.

[MaseInYourFace]

This thread is wild. If anyone is ever shooting 49% from deep on 7 attempts you take that L. Literally nothing you can do about just getting outplayed. That said Gobert averaged 17/11 and had 19/18 in game 7 while holding Denver to 80 points.

With Gobert and Jokic sharing the floor the Jazz outscored Denver by 28 points in the series. When you take Jokic's absolutely terrible defense into account I honestly wouldn't even say he outplayed Gobert in this series.

I kinda agree. I think Gobert more than did his part but Jazz needed a third dude to step up and they never quite had that player.

[bleedblue3303]

I think we are overrating Mitch a bit. He is an incredible shot blocker but not sure his Def, inability to not foul and offensive limitations, are not larger than we think
We are getting blinded a bit by the blocks and exciting dunks

[HighRyzer83]

Mitch will continue to improve he's still a kid. And the way he impacts the game now, you can only imagine how he'll be in his prime. He's exactly the kind of player you keep long term. And with the low cap season, it would be a perfect time to extend him.