Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[sixers4real]

Hey guys would you want to trade Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson? They the almost the same 11 mil (one season) left on their respective contacts.

[MrDollarBills]

STEVE NASH?!

[ProspectPark]

Wow. Absolutely love it!

[ProspectPark]

Hey guys would you want to trade Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson? They the almost the same 11 mil (one season) left on their respective contacts.

If we did trade Dinwiddie, Josh Richardson would be at the top of my list.

The only concern is if we saw you in the playoffs, the Dinwiddie/Embiid pick and roll or pick and pop would be almost impossible to stop.

Dinwiddie with non shooting bigs like Allen and DJ was near the top in points per possession on PnR. With Embiid who can shoot, he would be even better. Plus Dinwiddie’s got great length 6’6 for a PG.

If your GM included a pick like your 21st, I would be okay with it.

[vincecarter4pres]

That’s fine I’m just asking why when I look at the On/Off stats, Lineup metrics, Net Rating...etc. He’s a positive?

For example:

Our two most used 3 man lineups:

Dinwiddie Harris Prince - 1,210 minutes - Net Rating +3.7
Harris Prince Allen - 1,208 minutes - Net Rating +2.7

4 man lineups
Prince Dinwiddie Allen Harris - 993 minutes - Net Rating +3.3

On/Off
Prince On 1,857 minutes Offensive Rating 109.6
Prince Off 1,255 minutes Offensive Rating 101.9
Net +7.7

Our best True Shooting percentage lineups have Prince on the court.

Of all the players that played 40+ games, he had the highest net rating on the team. I don’t care about his VORP or PER or how many rebounds he grabbed. I care about how many possessions did we win while he was on the court.

So he gets called low IQ, but has the best net rating on the team. I’m just trying to understand how that’s possible, especially since he’s not some freak athlete like Zion or Giannis. How is he having a positive impact on the court if it’s not athleticism or IQ?

We were one of the worst turnover teams in the league. Everybody made mistakes. Dinwiddie, LeVert, Allen...Everyone. Let’s be fair and not blame Prince, when even with him learning Kenny’s system, he was still a net positive. There’s no need to go overboard and get all entitled and give up on a 6’7 wing who can shoot, after 1 chaotic season, when that’s literally what every team in the league is dying to find.

I'm trying to figure out how any of those stats proves his IQ?

And I do see a theme in all those lineups, it's all our best players are in them.

I'm going to say it's an obvious anomaly of that stat, when that stat paints all our good players down to Kyrie as negative to neutral impact/production/value, but Taureen Prince as our best player and the glue holding everything together.

Somewhere common sense has to takeover, no?

And that's great that you only care about a handful of stats in this particular instance where it supports your point, but stats all over paint Prince as awful and the eye test supports those stats...

When the stats paint Levert as not so hot you love to ignore them though, a tad ironic? Hypocritical?

If you’re still using win shares and VORP, then we probably have nothing to talk about. We’ll just have to wait until next season. We just have different views. You want to trade for Tobias Harris, Al Horford, and Harrison Barnes. I would prefer to just give Prince another shot. It is what it is.

We have different views on a few select players.

My only problem with you is you're disingenuous in general and especially in your use of stats, context and order of conversation.

You are often condescending, insulting, dismissive, at times downright disrespectful and hyperbolic, but that doesn't bother me, I can be all those myself, at least and especially the latter. But that doesn't help your case in any conversation or debate with others or even myself. And all that said, the thing that bothers me is your deflection and dis-ingenuity.

Like you'll use a set of stats and say how it's the most important set of stats in the world to prop up a player you like, saying that he might be able to come back to an average player, but then another guy you like, who these same stats say is mediocre, you just deflect and ignore those stats until we're talking about something else.

And then you'll use all this convoluted context to support a certain player, until it becomes a bunch of excuses that fall on deaf ears even though some of it is very real, but then when a guy you dislike has a ton of even more legitimate context as to their much slimmer struggles, you just stick your fingers in your ears and yell, "I can't hear you!", or you move the goal posts.


And then even stuff like Tobias Harris, Horford, Barnes, etc. Again, you know I've said point blank, that:

A) These are follow up type moves, sending out bad salary and C level assets(at best) to fill holes for a 2 to 3 year title window.

B) I don't even love all these ideas, don't even like some of them! I throw stuff out on a basketball forum to have discussions with fellow fans about basketball and every possibility out there. And I often literally preface my ideas with that exact disclaimer! But then you use it as evidence to demean, dismiss and deflate my knowledge and/or opinion. "Get a load of this idiot, he wants to trade for who?! What a maroon! Can't listen to anything he has to say, his opinion is stupid!"

C) You can obviously tell the players or deals I am more passionate about and I don't usually leave my opinion open for interpretation. As in, I am a staunch supporter of trading for Beal, or Jrue, I make that known. As in, I could see the idea of trading for a Gary Harris, or Al Horford if bad salary of a bad player in Prince is going out, and our young stud Allen, or Caris, Dinwiddie and a bunch of picks were shipped out for a prior, initial, blockbuster move. As in, I almost certainly wouldn't do *example 3* as a trade, but let me throw this out there to see what others feel about it, because I like hearing other's opinions, I'm not just waiting for my turn to talk, or hoping for an echo chamber.

D) It's also baffling when you'll defend a guy like Prince to death at $12+ mill a year, but then tell us how Barnes is a cup of moldy coffee on a terrible deal when he is the obvious superior player on every level and only makes around $6 mill a year more!


The bottom line is, we do have differing opinions on players, team makeup, cap concerns, etc. And that's fine! But the way you go about interacting with most others here makes it hard to even listen to your thoughts. Just my opinion, carry on.

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Further roster construction . He doing recruiting again. Should be careful with tempering, not that I don't want him to recruit for us.

[vincecarter4pres]

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Further roster construction . He doing recruiting again. Should be careful with tempering, not that I don't want him to recruit for us.

Lol, dudes SMS transcripts could probably get all our draft picks forfeited for the next decade and a half.

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[MrDollarBills]

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NOW SKIP, LET ME TELL YA SOMETHIN HERE...

[DarkXaero]

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NOW SKIP, LET ME TELL YA SOMETHIN HERE...

It's an odd tweet by Skip, because I watched the clip of them discussing the Nash hire, and Skip obviously seemed disappointed that we didn't hire Ty Lue instead. They both ultimately like the hire though, and didn't say any of the lame white privilege crap that SAS spouted.

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Further roster construction . He doing recruiting again. Should be careful with tempering, not that I don't want him to recruit for us.

Lol, dudes SMS transcripts could probably get all our draft picks forfeited for the next decade and a half.

Nothing we ain't used to. D12 saga had more stuff going on imo, but than Din and Ky been in touch while playing for rival teams. I don't know.

[DarkXaero]

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Leaving the door open for roster moves...

[GTR11]

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NOW SKIP, LET ME TELL YA SOMETHIN HERE...

It's an odd tweet by Skip, because I watched the clip of them discussing the Nash hire, and Skip obviously seemed disappointed that we didn't hire Ty Lue instead. They both ultimately like the hire though, and didn't say any of the lame white privilege crap that SAS spouted.

It was stupid thing to say from SAS part. Race has nothing to do with this hire. If anything he only going to hurt anti racism movement with crap like that. Same thing make you laugh make you cry.

[DarkXaero]

Hey guys would you want to trade Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson? They the almost the same 11 mil (one season) left on their respective contacts.

I wouldn't be very against that move, but I don't like it either. I'd prefer for us to keep Dinwiddie, but depending on other roster moves, I'd be open to the idea of trading Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson.

[MrDollarBills]

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NOW SKIP, LET ME TELL YA SOMETHIN HERE...

It's an odd tweet by Skip, because I watched the clip of them discussing the Nash hire, and Skip obviously seemed disappointed that we didn't hire Ty Lue instead. They both ultimately like the hire though, and didn't say any of the lame white privilege crap that SAS spouted.

and Shannon Sharpe will be the first person to call out racism if he saw it. The first thing that even crossed my mind wasn't Steve Nash's race, it's his lack of experience and the PTSD that I'm sure we all have from Jason Kidd's one year here, which should tell you where my head is at regarding this entire situation.

Durant and Irving signed off on this hire. The owner, who is also a minority, signed off on this hire. The Nets are the last organization to be pointing the finger at about a lack of inclusion.

[sixers4real]

Hey guys would you want to trade Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson? They the almost the same 11 mil (one season) left on their respective contacts.

If we did trade Dinwiddie, Josh Richardson would be at the top of my list.

The only concern is if we saw you in the playoffs, the Dinwiddie/Embiid pick and roll or pick and pop would be almost impossible to stop.

Dinwiddie with non shooting bigs like Allen and DJ was near the top in points per possession on PnR. With Embiid who can shoot, he would be even better. Plus Dinwiddie’s got great length 6’6 for a PG.

If your GM included a pick like your 21st, I would be okay with it.

How about 34th pick instead of 21st? Done deal for me.

[DarkXaero]

NOW SKIP, LET ME TELL YA SOMETHIN HERE...

It's an odd tweet by Skip, because I watched the clip of them discussing the Nash hire, and Skip obviously seemed disappointed that we didn't hire Ty Lue instead. They both ultimately like the hire though, and didn't say any of the lame white privilege crap that SAS spouted.

and Shannon Sharpe will be the first person to call out racism if he saw it. The first thing that even crossed my mind wasn't Steve Nash's race, it's his lack of experience and the PTSD that I'm sure we all have from Jason Kidd's one year here, which should tell you where my head is at regarding this entire situation.

Durant and Irving signed off on this hire. The owner, who is also a minority, signed off on this hire. The Nets are the last organization to be pointing the finger at about a lack of inclusion.

Yeah, I agree with that, my initial reaction was shock, and I think it's safe to say that was everyone's reaction. I didn't think that we would hire a coach with zero experience, but I also like that we didn't go for the same re-treads, and stayed away from likes of Lue, Kidd, and Mark Jackson. Not that Lue would be awful, but those are known commodities who I don't consider very good coaches (and in case of Kidd, Mark Jackson, they're **** people).

[MrDollarBills]

It's an odd tweet by Skip, because I watched the clip of them discussing the Nash hire, and Skip obviously seemed disappointed that we didn't hire Ty Lue instead. They both ultimately like the hire though, and didn't say any of the lame white privilege crap that SAS spouted.

and Shannon Sharpe will be the first person to call out racism if he saw it. The first thing that even crossed my mind wasn't Steve Nash's race, it's his lack of experience and the PTSD that I'm sure we all have from Jason Kidd's one year here, which should tell you where my head is at regarding this entire situation.

Durant and Irving signed off on this hire. The owner, who is also a minority, signed off on this hire. The Nets are the last organization to be pointing the finger at about a lack of inclusion.

Yeah, I agree with that, my initial reaction was shock, and I think it's safe to say that was everyone's reaction. I didn't think that we would hire a coach with zero experience, but I also like that we didn't go for the same re-treads, and stayed away from likes of Lue, Kidd, and Mark Jackson. Not that Lue would be awful, but those are known commodities who I don't consider very good coaches (and in case of Kidd, Mark Jackson, they're **** people).

Lue I could have handled. The other two? hell NO.