Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Hello Brooklyn]

Hey guys would you want to trade Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson? They the almost the same 11 mil (one season) left on their respective contacts.

If we did trade Dinwiddie, Josh Richardson would be at the top of my list.

The only concern is if we saw you in the playoffs, the Dinwiddie/Embiid pick and roll or pick and pop would be almost impossible to stop.

Dinwiddie with non shooting bigs like Allen and DJ was near the top in points per possession on PnR. With Embiid who can shoot, he would be even better. Plus Dinwiddie’s got great length 6’6 for a PG.

If your GM included a pick like your 21st, I would be okay with it.

How about 34th pick instead of 21st? Done deal for me.

I would do this. Richardson is exactly the type of player we need.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Did anyone listen to Lowe's podcast today with Arnowitz?

They were basically having the same discussion we have been having this whole time.

Should we trade Levert?

Both agreed that Beal would not be available

They then debated whether it was "worth it" to trade Levert for Holiday. No clear answer, but they seemed to prefer keeping Levert.

Main concerns were his injury history. They said Holiday was good defensively but could not provide the scoring punch that Levert could.

[vincecarter4pres]

His contract is wild, but what if Giannis forces his way somewhere this off-season? Do we dip our toes in the Khris Middleton waters?

[DarkXaero]

His contract is wild, but what if Giannis forces his way somewhere this off-season? Do we dip our toes in the Khris Middleton waters?

Where are we gonna play him? I like Middleton but wouldn't that force KD to start at 4?

[MrDollarBills]

His contract is wild, but what if Giannis forces his way somewhere this off-season? Do we dip our toes in the Khris Middleton waters?

Not interested. Is he really worth the money he's being paid?

[MrDollarBills]

Did anyone listen to Lowe's podcast today with Arnowitz?

They were basically having the same discussion we have been having this whole time.

Should we trade Levert?

Both agreed that Beal would not be available

They then debated whether it was "worth it" to trade Levert for Holiday. No clear answer, but they seemed to prefer keeping Levert.

Main concerns were his injury history. They said Holiday was good defensively but could not provide the scoring punch that Levert could.

In the starting line up we need defense and length in one of the wing spots. If LeVert was a better defender I would say try to make it work but I don't see him being effective with KD/Kyrie being the first two options. You can make an argument that LeVert would be the last option on offense because Joe Harris will be getting a ton of looks from 3, and either Allen or Jordan will be feasting in the pick and roll. LeVert hasn't shown that he is a reliable spot up shooter so where does he fit in the starting 5?

Unless we trade Dinwiddie and have LeVert operate as the primary ball handler of the 2nd unit, I don't know how this works.

[DarkXaero]

His contract is wild, but what if Giannis forces his way somewhere this off-season? Do we dip our toes in the Khris Middleton waters?

Not interested. Is he really worth the money he's being paid?

Middleton played like top 20-25 player in the reg season this year. He would be an excellent #3.

[CalamityX12]

Did anyone listen to Lowe's podcast today with Arnowitz?

They were basically having the same discussion we have been having this whole time.

Should we trade Levert?

Both agreed that Beal would not be available

They then debated whether it was "worth it" to trade Levert for Holiday. No clear answer, but they seemed to prefer keeping Levert.

Main concerns were his injury history. They said Holiday was good defensively but could not provide the scoring punch that Levert could.

In the starting line up we need defense and length in one of the wing spots. If LeVert was a better defender I would say try to make it work but I don't see him being effective with KD/Kyrie being the first two options. You can make an argument that LeVert would be the last option on offense because Joe Harris will be getting a ton of looks from 3, and either Allen or Jordan will be feasting in the pick and roll. LeVert hasn't shown that he is a reliable spot up shooter so where does he fit in the starting 5?

Unless we trade Dinwiddie and have LeVert operate as the primary ball handler of the 2nd unit, I don't know how this works.

Isn’t Levert one of our better defenders? He was at least two years ago...

While I’m not on the idea of him starting with KD and Kryie, its about balance, but I definitely see/expect them three together to close out games

[CalamityX12]

But seriously, we’ll need an active player for sure that has size and a motor.... obviously being able to knockdown 3s is a given...

[TheNetsFan]

His contract is wild, but what if Giannis forces his way somewhere this off-season? Do we dip our toes in the Khris Middleton waters?

Where are we gonna play him? I like Middleton but wouldn't that force KD to start at 4?

KD is going to be the 4, except when he's a small ball 5.

[TheNetsFan]

His contract is wild, but what if Giannis forces his way somewhere this off-season? Do we dip our toes in the Khris Middleton waters?

Not interested. Is he really worth the money he's being paid?

Middleton played like top 20-25 player in the reg season this year. He would be an excellent #3.

That contract is ugly though. You also worry about the asking price too.

[DarkXaero]

Not interested. Is he really worth the money he's being paid?

Middleton played like top 20-25 player in the reg season this year. He would be an excellent #3.

That contract is ugly though. You also worry about the asking price too.

I know, I'm just saying he's a very good player. It's not like the Tobias Harris situation, Middleton is actually an all star caliber player.

[DarkXaero]

I have a couple trade ideas that I want to share. Not necessarily moves that I fully endorse but I think a direction that can work for us.




Follow up trade:



Rotation:

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Chiozza
White/Tyler Johnson/Temple
KD/Harris/Crawford
Oubre/Kurucs/TLC
DJ/Dedmon/Claxton

+ #10 pick + tax payer MLE still available


I think the most contentious part of the trade is Suns throwing in the #10 pick, but my reasoning is that Levert has higher value than Oubre Jr currently, and Levert has 3 years left on his deal while Oubre Jr is an expiring. If needed, Kurucs and/or the 2nd round pick from Spurs can be throw in as sweetener. It is a really weak draft class, and I think for this draft, teams are more willing than ever to part with lotto picks. Oubre Jr gives us a 6'8" tweener forward option with 3pt shooting, and capable of solid defense (not consistent though).

The Allen for Derrick White trade is more than fair value for Spurs, and if anything, a better deal for Spurs imo, with Allen being 4 years younger, and the same caliber player. Their contract situations are identical too, with White also in his last year of rookie deal. White fits perfectly next to Kyrie as a low usage, efficient 3&D guard. The Hawks trade is a more simple one as I think they get a better/much younger fit in Prince, and Capela should be their starting C anyway (with Collins splitting time at 4 and 5). For us, Dedmon replaces Allen as a backup C here, and could potentially give us a stretch 5 option ("potentially" because he was awful this year). Anyway, just an idea, don't kill me.

[Hello Brooklyn]

His contract is wild, but what if Giannis forces his way somewhere this off-season? Do we dip our toes in the Khris Middleton waters?

I would love Middleton. Not really sure what we have that they would want if they are looking to rebuild though.

They can get much better offers elsewhere.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Did anyone listen to Lowe's podcast today with Arnowitz?

They were basically having the same discussion we have been having this whole time.

Should we trade Levert?

Both agreed that Beal would not be available

They then debated whether it was "worth it" to trade Levert for Holiday. No clear answer, but they seemed to prefer keeping Levert.

Main concerns were his injury history. They said Holiday was good defensively but could not provide the scoring punch that Levert could.

In the starting line up we need defense and length in one of the wing spots. If LeVert was a better defender I would say try to make it work but I don't see him being effective with KD/Kyrie being the first two options. You can make an argument that LeVert would be the last option on offense because Joe Harris will be getting a ton of looks from 3, and either Allen or Jordan will be feasting in the pick and roll. LeVert hasn't shown that he is a reliable spot up shooter so where does he fit in the starting 5?

Unless we trade Dinwiddie and have LeVert operate as the primary ball handler of the 2nd unit, I don't know how this works.

Are we sure Levert can't be a better defender if hes no longer asked to carry the scoring load?

He certainly has the size and length to do it. And has shown defensive potential in the past.

He will never be as good of an official as Holiday though. I'll agree.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Did anyone listen to Lowe's podcast today with Arnowitz?

They were basically having the same discussion we have been having this whole time.

Should we trade Levert?

Both agreed that Beal would not be available

They then debated whether it was "worth it" to trade Levert for Holiday. No clear answer, but they seemed to prefer keeping Levert.

Main concerns were his injury history. They said Holiday was good defensively but could not provide the scoring punch that Levert could.

In the starting line up we need defense and length in one of the wing spots. If LeVert was a better defender I would say try to make it work but I don't see him being effective with KD/Kyrie being the first two options. You can make an argument that LeVert would be the last option on offense because Joe Harris will be getting a ton of looks from 3, and either Allen or Jordan will be feasting in the pick and roll. LeVert hasn't shown that he is a reliable spot up shooter so where does he fit in the starting 5?

Unless we trade Dinwiddie and have LeVert operate as the primary ball handler of the 2nd unit, I don't know how this works.

Isn’t Levert one of our better defenders? He was at least two years ago...

While I’m not on the idea of him starting with KD and Kryie, its about balance, but I definitely see/expect them three together to close out games

I agree.

Ideally, you want to bring him off the bench in a Lou Will role and close with him.

Problem, is we also have Dinwddie.

Which means we either need to trade Dinwiddie or find a way to make Caris play with KD/Kyrie.

Lowe brought up the fact that KD/Kyrie are both elite shooters and can play off ball.

[Paradise]

In the starting line up we need defense and length in one of the wing spots. If LeVert was a better defender I would say try to make it work but I don't see him being effective with KD/Kyrie being the first two options. You can make an argument that LeVert would be the last option on offense because Joe Harris will be getting a ton of looks from 3, and either Allen or Jordan will be feasting in the pick and roll. LeVert hasn't shown that he is a reliable spot up shooter so where does he fit in the starting 5?

Unless we trade Dinwiddie and have LeVert operate as the primary ball handler of the 2nd unit, I don't know how this works.

Isn’t Levert one of our better defenders? He was at least two years ago...

While I’m not on the idea of him starting with KD and Kryie, its about balance, but I definitely see/expect them three together to close out games

I agree.

Ideally, you want to bring him off the bench in a Lou Will role and close with him.

Problem, is we also have Dinwddie.

Which means we either need to trade Dinwiddie or find a way to make Caris play with KD/Kyrie.

Lowe brought up the fact that KD/Kyrie are both elite shooters and can play off ball.

Dinwiddie came off the bench with Russell and LeVert starting so what’s wrong with doing that again? He’s going to easily win Sixth Man of the Year like he wanted in Russell’s all-star year.

Kyrie / Dinwiddie
LeVert
Harris / Prince
KD
Jordan / Allen / Clax

I’m not sure what’s so hard about that rotation to start off with. Let’s not over complicate things and go against continuity too early without seeing if KD is 100% healthy while needing to be load managed, Kyrie needing to be load managed, Nash taking time to get familiar with winning ball games, etc.

Continuity with Vaughn and the roster will be critical to us winning games against anybody. It will make the difference of us being a 50 or 60 win team with a clear path to the Finals.

[ProspectPark]

Did anyone listen to Lowe's podcast today with Arnowitz?

They were basically having the same discussion we have been having this whole time.

Should we trade Levert?

Both agreed that Beal would not be available

They then debated whether it was "worth it" to trade Levert for Holiday. No clear answer, but they seemed to prefer keeping Levert.

Main concerns were his injury history. They said Holiday was good defensively but could not provide the scoring punch that Levert could.

In the starting line up we need defense and length in one of the wing spots. If LeVert was a better defender I would say try to make it work but I don't see him being effective with KD/Kyrie being the first two options. You can make an argument that LeVert would be the last option on offense because Joe Harris will be getting a ton of looks from 3, and either Allen or Jordan will be feasting in the pick and roll. LeVert hasn't shown that he is a reliable spot up shooter so where does he fit in the starting 5?

Unless we trade Dinwiddie and have LeVert operate as the primary ball handler of the 2nd unit, I don't know how this works.

Are we sure Levert can't be a better defender if hes no longer asked to carry the scoring load?

He certainly has the size and length to do it. And has shown defensive potential in the past.

He will never be as good of an official as Holiday though. I'll agree.

Tyler Herro is a perfect example. He’s a rookie but plays 32 minutes per game in the playoffs. Heat can get away with it because they run a smart defensive scheme.

LeVert in a modern NBA system has everything you need to be a good defender...size, athleticism, and effort...The only thing you don’t want is a scheme where he has to fight over picks all game, where he’s getting elbowed, banging knees, getting tripped, running into other 200 lb humans...This is how he gets worn out and injured.

If the opponent is going to drive, funnel him towards your big. If the opponent is going to shoot, wait until his feet leave the ground, and then contest. That’s really all you can do in the league today. LeVert 100% is capable of doing that at a high level.

[ProspectPark]

Isn’t Levert one of our better defenders? He was at least two years ago...

While I’m not on the idea of him starting with KD and Kryie, its about balance, but I definitely see/expect them three together to close out games

I agree.

Ideally, you want to bring him off the bench in a Lou Will role and close with him.

Problem, is we also have Dinwddie.

Which means we either need to trade Dinwiddie or find a way to make Caris play with KD/Kyrie.

Lowe brought up the fact that KD/Kyrie are both elite shooters and can play off ball.

Dinwiddie came off the bench with Russell and LeVert starting so what’s wrong with doing that again? He’s going to easily win Sixth Man of the Year like he wanted in Russell’s all-star year.

Kyrie / Dinwiddie
LeVert
Harris / Prince
KD
Jordan / Allen / Clax

I’m not sure what’s so hard about that rotation to start off with. Let’s not over complicate things and go against continuity too early without seeing if KD is 100% healthy while needing to be load managed, Kyrie needing to be load managed, Nash taking time to get familiar with winning ball games, etc.

Continuity with Vaughn and the roster will be critical to us winning games against anybody. It will make the difference of us being a 50 or 60 win team with a clear path to the Finals.

Agree

Plus there’s so much flexibility in this roster. We can keep team’s guessing by playing different styles throughout the game.

We could play 5 out with KD, Kyrie, Harris, and Prince, spreading the floor for either Dinwiddie or LeVert.

We could play a 3 guard lineup with Kyrie, Dinwiddie, and LeVert all on the court.

We run a motion offense, since so many of our players, can shoot, dribble, pass, and cut.

We could go big, small, fast, skilled. So many options. Is it worth destroying all that for Jrue Holiday or some other $30 million player that locks us in to playing only 1 style?

[kan_t]

I agree.

Ideally, you want to bring him off the bench in a Lou Will role and close with him.

Problem, is we also have Dinwddie.

Which means we either need to trade Dinwiddie or find a way to make Caris play with KD/Kyrie.

Lowe brought up the fact that KD/Kyrie are both elite shooters and can play off ball.

Dinwiddie came off the bench with Russell and LeVert starting so what’s wrong with doing that again? He’s going to easily win Sixth Man of the Year like he wanted in Russell’s all-star year.

Kyrie / Dinwiddie
LeVert
Harris / Prince
KD
Jordan / Allen / Clax

I’m not sure what’s so hard about that rotation to start off with. Let’s not over complicate things and go against continuity too early without seeing if KD is 100% healthy while needing to be load managed, Kyrie needing to be load managed, Nash taking time to get familiar with winning ball games, etc.

Continuity with Vaughn and the roster will be critical to us winning games against anybody. It will make the difference of us being a 50 or 60 win team with a clear path to the Finals.

Agree

Plus there’s so much flexibility in this roster. We can keep team’s guessing by playing different styles throughout the game.

We could play 5 out with KD, Kyrie, Harris, and Prince, spreading the floor for either Dinwiddie or LeVert.

We could play a 3 guard lineup with Kyrie, Dinwiddie, and LeVert all on the court.

We run a motion offense, since so many of our players, can shoot, dribble, pass, and cut.

We could go big, small, fast, skilled. So many options. Is it worth destroying all that for Jrue Holiday or some other $30 million player that locks us in to playing only 1 style?

Depends on the price. For salary matching purpose it's just LeVert and Prince. And for what you project LeVert to do with Irving and KD on the court, Jrue is actually doing it for years. So Jrue is just a more proven version of LeVert while LeVert may have higher ceiling. Flexibility is not an issue with Jrue. I could even argue that Jrue could provide more flexibility due to his defense. He's someone who could guard 3 position and even 4 without embarrassing himself. It could give the team a lot of options in defensive rotation and scheming.