Giannis

[The Maestro]

Difference with KD and Giannis:

Giannis won’t take outside shots away from Steph and Klay.

Splash Bros attack from outside, and provide spacing for Giannis to dominate inside.

Simple as that.

None of the three guys have to change their games or take a step back if they’re on the same team. The more 3s Steph makes, the easier it is for Giannis to score inside. The more Giannis scores inside, the more open shots Steph will end up getting on the outside. It’s like symbiosis.

Mentioned it a few pages back, but now this Heat/Bucks series further shows how Giannis could really benefit with some outside shooters. The Heat are packing the paint and forcing him into awkward shots.

The Bucks have more guys that can shoot threes than the Warriors do though. We just happen to have two of the best three point shooters of All Time.

Nobody is scared of anyone on the Bucks shooting 3’s. No team is doubling Middleton and Lopez. Giannis would have a lot more space to work with playing on the Warriors than he ever has with the Bucks.

[jason bourne]

As for the Warriors, maybe they should just draft this guy at #2 since the Bulls are looking to snag him at #4. They would improve their 3-pt shooting assuming Wiggins will be better. It also improves their rebounding and moves Draymond to C. They'll have to get their C in free agency or other way. The Ws may not have enough to get Giannis in 2021 unless their 2021 pick rises and comes into play.

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[lars_rosenberg]

Deni is my favorite player in the draft, I'd love to get him, but maybe at #2 it's a reach.

Giannis is a real possibility with Milwaukee choking in the playoffs and I'm pretty sure Giannis is salty because of the cheap ownership who didn't want to extend Brogdon to save money. Then Brogdon had a great season in Indiana and proved Milwaukee wrong.
That's the kind of things that scare the hell out of your young superstar.
That said, Toronto has Masai who has a great relationship with Giannis and Miami has no income tax, it will be hard to beat that. We probably have more assets to trade though, with the #2 pick and next year Minnesota pick.
Nobody believed KD would sign for GSW (except for a few GSW fans), then it happened, so anything is possible.

[Mylie10]

Difference with KD and Giannis:

Giannis won’t take outside shots away from Steph and Klay.

Splash Bros attack from outside, and provide spacing for Giannis to dominate inside.

Simple as that.

None of the three guys have to change their games or take a step back if they’re on the same team. The more 3s Steph makes, the easier it is for Giannis to score inside. The more Giannis scores inside, the more open shots Steph will end up getting on the outside. It’s like symbiosis.

Mentioned it a few pages back, but now this Heat/Bucks series further shows how Giannis could really benefit with some outside shooters. The Heat are packing the paint and forcing him into awkward shots.

The Bucks have more guys that can shoot threes than the Warriors do though. We just happen to have two of the best three point shooters of All Time.

Nobody is scared of anyone on the Bucks shooting 3’s. No team is doubling Middleton and Lopez. Giannis would have a lot more space to work with playing on the Warriors than he ever has with the Bucks.

Totally agree on that last point

[wco81]

Not clear how good a shooter Deni would be.

Look at Bogdan for the Kings. Good ball handler and shoots a lot of 3s. Has good but not great shooting splits, 44/37.2/80.6 for career.

Bojan for the Jazz is 46/39.4/85.8.

Which one will Deni be more like? I don't know how the Bogdanovics did in Europe but Deni hasn't shown he can be an elite shooter like Bojan.

If he did, the choice would be easy, but he's more likely like Bogdan, if that. Better size, comparable playmaking, maybe worse shooting.

[jason bourne]

Deni is my favorite player in the draft, I'd love to get him, but maybe at #2 it's a reach.

Giannis is a real possibility with Milwaukee choking in the playoffs and I'm pretty sure Giannis is salty because of the cheap ownership who didn't want to extend Brogdon to save money. Then Brogdon had a great season in Indiana and proved Milwaukee wrong.
That's the kind of things that scare the hell out of your young superstar.
That said, Toronto has Masai who has a great relationship with Giannis and Miami has no income tax, it will be hard to beat that. We probably have more assets to trade though, with the #2 pick and next year Minnesota pick.
Nobody believed KD would sign for GSW (except for a few GSW fans), then it happened, so anything is possible.

I don't like it either as it is drafting for need, but do like getting Deni. The Ws should draft the BPA and trade down for now. Ws would still want to get Giannis, but that's stil off into the future, getting 3-pt shooting, and shedding some salary. Maybe they use their TPE to acquire a big expiring contract and a pick to help themselves next year as:

Ws get James Johnson + TWolves 2nd rnd pick
TWolves get Warriors 2nd rnd pick (protected 31-55)

[Onus]

Deni is my favorite player in the draft, I'd love to get him, but maybe at #2 it's a reach.

Giannis is a real possibility with Milwaukee choking in the playoffs and I'm pretty sure Giannis is salty because of the cheap ownership who didn't want to extend Brogdon to save money. Then Brogdon had a great season in Indiana and proved Milwaukee wrong.
That's the kind of things that scare the hell out of your young superstar.
That said, Toronto has Masai who has a great relationship with Giannis and Miami has no income tax, it will be hard to beat that. We probably have more assets to trade though, with the #2 pick and next year Minnesota pick.
Nobody believed KD would sign for GSW (except for a few GSW fans), then it happened, so anything is possible.

I don't like it either as it is drafting for need, but do like getting Deni. The Ws should draft the BPA and trade down for now. Ws would still want to get Giannis, but that's stil off into the future, getting 3-pt shooting, and shedding some salary. Maybe they use their TPE to acquire a big expiring contract and a pick to help themselves next year as:

Ws get James Johnson + TWolves 2nd rnd pick
TWolves get Warriors 2nd rnd pick (protected 31-55)

Is it really drafting for need when he would be coming off the bench?

The game is about whether you can dribble pass and shoot. The questions with Deni is can he become a more consistent shooter, can he stay in front of people on the perimeter, and can he develop his off hand. He looks great in transition and he can make passes. He has the fire to win and is the son of a former player. He knows this is a grind.

I’m still not sure how he won 2 gold medals with Israel?

[jason bourne]

Deni is my favorite player in the draft, I'd love to get him, but maybe at #2 it's a reach.

Giannis is a real possibility with Milwaukee choking in the playoffs and I'm pretty sure Giannis is salty because of the cheap ownership who didn't want to extend Brogdon to save money. Then Brogdon had a great season in Indiana and proved Milwaukee wrong.
That's the kind of things that scare the hell out of your young superstar.
That said, Toronto has Masai who has a great relationship with Giannis and Miami has no income tax, it will be hard to beat that. We probably have more assets to trade though, with the #2 pick and next year Minnesota pick.
Nobody believed KD would sign for GSW (except for a few GSW fans), then it happened, so anything is possible.

I don't like it either as it is drafting for need, but do like getting Deni. The Ws should draft the BPA and trade down for now. Ws would still want to get Giannis, but that's stil off into the future, getting 3-pt shooting, and shedding some salary. Maybe they use their TPE to acquire a big expiring contract and a pick to help themselves next year as:

Ws get James Johnson + TWolves 2nd rnd pick
TWolves get Warriors 2nd rnd pick (protected 31-55)

Is it really drafting for need when he would be coming off the bench?

The game is about whether you can dribble pass and shoot. The questions with Deni is can he become a more consistent shooter, can he stay in front of people on the perimeter, and can he develop his off hand. He looks great in transition and he can make passes. He has the fire to win and is the son of a former player. He knows this is a grind.

I’m still not sure how he won 2 gold medals with Israel?

>>I’m still not sure how he won 2 gold medals with Israel?<<

In his FIBA vid, he shows defense, presence in the paint, and rebounding. It is great evidence and good case to make for the #2 pick. He could be the next Toni Kukoc (Bulls fans drooling).

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There should be staff on the Ws who have seen Avdija up close and personal and talked with him. He had question marks from me, but after the restart, he's addressed all those questions. My main point was the Warriors can only hope to trade down and acquire an impact big man to add for big minutes or a backup PG. Both LaMelo and AntMan check those boxes as a trade candidate at #2; AntMan could be a keeper. The Bulls look set to draft Avdija at #4 tho, so unless the Ws decide to go for Avdija at #2 as a keeper, the Bulls won't bite. Deni would have to knock the socks off the Warriors during their interviews. It's not as easy without being brought in for workouts. In the back of their minds though, Deni would add to the recruitment of Giannis as another 3-pt shooter on the Ws for next year. Thus, we should not be surprised if the Ws grab Deni as a keeper at #2!

[jason bourne]

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I just through this vid of Deni. He just blows the socks off of me at #2!!! Should be able to get mins as backup right away and would definitely help in recruiting Giannis or another big man.

[ClutchUp]

I don't like it either as it is drafting for need, but do like getting Deni. The Ws should draft the BPA and trade down for now. Ws would still want to get Giannis, but that's stil off into the future, getting 3-pt shooting, and shedding some salary. Maybe they use their TPE to acquire a big expiring contract and a pick to help themselves next year as:

Ws get James Johnson + TWolves 2nd rnd pick
TWolves get Warriors 2nd rnd pick (protected 31-55)

Is it really drafting for need when he would be coming off the bench?

The game is about whether you can dribble pass and shoot. The questions with Deni is can he become a more consistent shooter, can he stay in front of people on the perimeter, and can he develop his off hand. He looks great in transition and he can make passes. He has the fire to win and is the son of a former player. He knows this is a grind.

I’m still not sure how he won 2 gold medals with Israel?

>>I’m still not sure how he won 2 gold medals with Israel?<<

In his FIBA vid, he shows defense, presence in the paint, and rebounding. It is great evidence and good case to make for the #2 pick. He could be the next Toni Kukoc (Bulls fans drooling).

Watch on YouTube

There should be staff on the Ws who have seen Avdija up close and personal and talked with him. He had question marks from me, but after the restart, he's addressed all those questions. My main point was the Warriors can only hope to trade down and acquire an impact big man to add for big minutes or a backup PG. Both LaMelo and AntMan check those boxes as a trade candidate at #2; AntMan could be a keeper. The Bulls look set to draft Avdija at #4 tho, so unless the Ws decide to go for Avdija at #2 as a keeper, the Bulls won't bite. Deni would have to knock the socks off the Warriors during their interviews. It's not as easy without being brought in for workouts. In the back of their minds though, Deni would add to the recruitment of Giannis as another 3-pt shooter on the Ws for next year. Thus, we should not be surprised if the Ws grab Deni as a keeper at #2!

I think that's probably a stretch.

[jason bourne]

I think that's probably a stretch.

What other big man do you envision? People toss out names like Mitchell Robinson, but the Knicks won't put him up for #2 + a pick swap. They may do it for #2 + filler.

Then, we have this Giannis guy we want in case he wants to leave the Bucks. All he has to say is I won't re-sign because the Bucks can't win sometime after the playoffs are over. If the Ws have someone who can play defense, block shots, shoot the 3-ball, and rebound like a young Draymond Green as a stretch 4, then Giannis would have to be interested. The paint won't be that crowded for him to do his thang. Dray can slide over to the 5 until Giannis comes in. His career will be extended. Deni is the guy I envisioned to come in and spark the Warriors and what he has shown in the pros and FIBA show he could be a keeper with the #2 pick!!! Now, I'm getting excited .

[ILOVEIT]

Warriors don't draft kids anymore...they just don't. They prefer two or even three year college players. I think Monta might have been the last kid drafted. So now they are going to draft Wiseman...a guy playing 3 games in College? Big men are always projects unless they've been in college for several years or they are Shaq.

Lamelo looks like a pouty spoiled brat...I don't see them wanting ANYTHING to do with that.

Nope....they are going to draft Deni or Obi or some player with a god dang "i" at the end of his name!

[Swift21]

I think that's probably a stretch.

What other big man do you envision? People toss out names like Mitchell Robinson, but the Knicks won't put him up for #2 + a pick swap. They may do it for #2 + filler.

Then, we have this Giannis guy we want in case he wants to leave the Bucks. All he has to say is I won't re-sign because the Bucks can't win sometime after the playoffs are over. If the Ws have someone who can play defense, block shots, shoot the 3-ball, and rebound like a young Draymond Green as a stretch 4, then Giannis would have to be interested. The paint won't be that crowded for him to do his thang. Dray can slide over to the 5 until Giannis comes in. His career will be extended. Deni is the guy I envisioned to come in and spark the Warriors and what he has shown in the pros and FIBA show he could be a keeper with the #2 pick!!! Now, I'm getting excited .

Don't get too excited. We need a S&T to get Giannis and this pick would more than likely be used entice the Bucks.

[The Maestro]

I think that's probably a stretch.

What other big man do you envision? People toss out names like Mitchell Robinson, but the Knicks won't put him up for #2 + a pick swap. They may do it for #2 + filler.

Then, we have this Giannis guy we want in case he wants to leave the Bucks. All he has to say is I won't re-sign because the Bucks can't win sometime after the playoffs are over. If the Ws have someone who can play defense, block shots, shoot the 3-ball, and rebound like a young Draymond Green as a stretch 4, then Giannis would have to be interested. The paint won't be that crowded for him to do his thang. Dray can slide over to the 5 until Giannis comes in. His career will be extended. Deni is the guy I envisioned to come in and spark the Warriors and what he has shown in the pros and FIBA show he could be a keeper with the #2 pick!!! Now, I'm getting excited .

Don't get too excited. We need a S&T to get Giannis and this pick would more than likely be used entice the Bucks.

They don’t need to do a sign and trade for Giannis

[jason bourne]

I think that's probably a stretch.

What other big man do you envision? People toss out names like Mitchell Robinson, but the Knicks won't put him up for #2 + a pick swap. They may do it for #2 + filler.

Then, we have this Giannis guy we want in case he wants to leave the Bucks. All he has to say is I won't re-sign because the Bucks can't win sometime after the playoffs are over. If the Ws have someone who can play defense, block shots, shoot the 3-ball, and rebound like a young Draymond Green as a stretch 4, then Giannis would have to be interested. The paint won't be that crowded for him to do his thang. Dray can slide over to the 5 until Giannis comes in. His career will be extended. Deni is the guy I envisioned to come in and spark the Warriors and what he has shown in the pros and FIBA show he could be a keeper with the #2 pick!!! Now, I'm getting excited .

Don't get too excited. We need a S&T to get Giannis and this pick would more than likely be used entice the Bucks.

Ws can't do S&T per NBA rules. For Giannis, they would have to put up Wiggins (matches salary perfectly) + 3 FRPs (which seem to be the going rate for landing a superstar). Ws could give Minny's 2021 + their own 2021 + whatever it takes -- It could be their 2020 #2 pick, but do Ws do that ???!!!???!!! Ws 2023 FRP

[ChuckDurn]

What other big man do you envision? People toss out names like Mitchell Robinson, but the Knicks won't put him up for #2 + a pick swap. They may do it for #2 + filler.

Then, we have this Giannis guy we want in case he wants to leave the Bucks. All he has to say is I won't re-sign because the Bucks can't win sometime after the playoffs are over. If the Ws have someone who can play defense, block shots, shoot the 3-ball, and rebound like a young Draymond Green as a stretch 4, then Giannis would have to be interested. The paint won't be that crowded for him to do his thang. Dray can slide over to the 5 until Giannis comes in. His career will be extended. Deni is the guy I envisioned to come in and spark the Warriors and what he has shown in the pros and FIBA show he could be a keeper with the #2 pick!!! Now, I'm getting excited .

Don't get too excited. We need a S&T to get Giannis and this pick would more than likely be used entice the Bucks.

Ws can't do S&T per NBA rules. For Giannis, they would have to put up Wiggins (matches salary perfectly) + 3 FRPs (which seem to be the going rate for landing a superstar). Ws could give Minny's 2021 + their own 2021 + whatever it takes -- It could be their 2020 #2 pick, but do Ws do that ???!!!???!!! Ws 2023 FRP

Except the Warriors can’t trade 3 first-round picks without including the 2020 pick.

As part of the Iguodala trade, we traded the rights to our 2024 #1 pick (though it’s top-4 protected and may not convey until 2025 or 2026).

The Stepien rule prohibits a team from trading its first-round picks in such a way that it doesn’t have a #1 pick in 2 consecutive drafts in the future. Since we might lose the 2024 pick to Memphis, it means we’re not allowed to trade our #1 pick in 2023 (unless we acquire another #1 pick in 2023 or 2024).

While we have 2 picks in 2021 (presumably getting Minnesota’s, as well as having our own), and having 1 in 2022, we likewise can’t trade all of them, or we’d again violate the Stepien rule.

So in 2021/22, we can trade 2 of the 3 picks. We can’t trade the 2023 pick, and we obviously can’t trade a pick in 2024-27, because we’ve already given rights to Memphis.

So to get 3 draft picks to Milwaukee, 2020 has to be 1 of them. Goodbye, Deni, in this scenario.

[jason bourne]

Don't get too excited. We need a S&T to get Giannis and this pick would more than likely be used entice the Bucks.

Ws can't do S&T per NBA rules. For Giannis, they would have to put up Wiggins (matches salary perfectly) + 3 FRPs (which seem to be the going rate for landing a superstar). Ws could give Minny's 2021 + their own 2021 + whatever it takes -- It could be their 2020 #2 pick, but do Ws do that ???!!!???!!! Ws 2023 FRP

Except the Warriors can’t trade 3 first-round picks without including the 2020 pick.

As part of the Iguodala trade, we traded the rights to our 2024 #1 pick (though it’s top-4 protected and may not convey until 2025 or 2026).

The Stepien rule prohibits a team from trading its first-round picks in such a way that it doesn’t have a #1 pick in 2 consecutive drafts in the future. Since we might lose the 2024 pick to Memphis, it means we’re not allowed to trade our #1 pick in 2023 (unless we acquire another #1 pick in 2023 or 2024).

While we have 2 picks in 2021 (presumably getting Minnesota’s, as well as having our own), and having 1 in 2022, we likewise can’t trade all of them, or we’d again violate the Stepien rule.

So in 2021/22, we can trade 2 of the 3 picks. We can’t trade the 2023 pick, and we obviously can’t trade a pick in 2024-27, because we’ve already given rights to Memphis.

So to get 3 draft picks to Milwaukee, 2020 has to be 1 of them. Goodbye, Deni, in this scenario.

Okay.

Maybe we know more about the 2020 #1 pick by Minny-shitty-sota now -- https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2020/09/draft-rumors-draft-date-hawks-suns-toppin-wolves.html. It could be LaMelo as TWolves GM Gersan Rosas likes him and he'll be a bigger marquee draw. Still, the RGM polls has AntMan in the lead with Wiseman second and LaMelo third.

Woj broke the news and has maintained that the Ws will trade their #2 pick. If it's Anthony Edwards, many teams would be interested in him, as well. I could see Knicks and Bulls being interested in LaMelo, but if he's off the table, then possibly different teams would be interested in AntMan. I advocated keeping him, but other factors could be in play like Giannis. A lot of rumors out there and the draft and trade scenarios have over a month to go before the actual draft on Oct 16th unless it's pushed back again.

[Mylie10]

Woj didn’t say we were trading the number two pick.....Dense

He said we are fielding offers and gauging interest. That doesn’t equate to, “Woj said the Warriors were trading the number 2 pick”

They might, but it’s called due diligence. I think some are reading challenged.

[superunknown]

kukoc was a defensive liability.
if avdija is the new toni kukoc he can be drafted by the bulls.

[Mylie10]

Let’s let Deni be Deni. No matter what team he goes to.

These comparisons don’t help these players. If people think Deni is the next Luka, that’s totally unfair to the kid. Luka is proving to be a generational player. Don’t try and hang that on Deni.