2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[PlayerUp]

Onyeka Okongwu

Okongwu will be a solid prospect. Precious can also be a solid player.

This draft actually has some quality bigman going later in the draft if we want to try to acquire or buy another pick to pair with Lauri, Wendell and Gafford. Of course there is Poku as well which is worth taking a risk on.

However getting another bigman is not what the Bulls need. We need serious help in the backcourt and I think most would agree on this. This team needs to load up on dynamic players who can create, pass and are versatile. Without a roster loaded with those type of players, we cannot compete with the other teams in the league. PG and SF are our biggest needs right now.

[Rose2Boozer]

Onyeka Okongwu

Okongwu will be a solid prospect. Precious can also be a solid player.

This draft actually has some quality bigman going later in the draft if we want to try to acquire or buy another pick to pair with Lauri, Wendell and Gafford. Of course there is Poku as well which is worth taking a risk on.

However getting another bigman is not what the Bulls need. We need serious help in the backcourt and I think most would agree on this. This team needs to load up on dynamic players who can create, pass and are versatile. Without a roster loaded with those type of players, we cannot compete with the other teams in the league. PG and SF are our biggest needs right now.

Interesting. I just don't see the clarity with our front court talent. Sure, they're a lot of names, but who is the guy? We need that player. That's why I want AK to go hard after Wiseman. I think at the very least, he'll anchor our defense for the next ten years. Wiseman is by no means some seven feet tall stiff. When I look at White, Lavine, and even Satoransky, there is a certain level of comfort and clarity with those guys. I don't think Hayes is better than White or Lavine. So, I'm more reluctant to draft guard than most.

[JimmyJammer]

Onyeka Okongwu

Okongwu will be a solid prospect. Precious can also be a solid player.

This draft actually has some quality bigman going later in the draft if we want to try to acquire or buy another pick to pair with Lauri, Wendell and Gafford. Of course there is Poku as well which is worth taking a risk on.

However getting another bigman is not what the Bulls need. We need serious help in the backcourt and I think most would agree on this. This team needs to load up on dynamic players who can create, pass and are versatile. Without a roster loaded with those type of players, we cannot compete with the other teams in the league. PG and SF are our biggest needs right now.

Interesting. I just don't see the clarity with our front court talent. Sure, they're a lot of names, but who is the guy? We need that player. That's why I want AK to go hard after Wiseman. I think at the very least, he'll anchor our defense for the next ten years. Wiseman is by no means some seven feet tall stiff. When I look at White, Lavine, and even Satoransky, there is a certain level of comfort and clarity with those guys. I don't think Hayes is better than White or Lavine. So, I'm more reluctant to draft guard than most.

Unless we deal Wendell on draft night, there is no way I would bring Wiseman to this roster. Wendell is already a sensitive guy, apparently, so I don't want to exacerbate that by bringing another young player to take his place. Otherwise, you risk of possibly killing his trade value or even his career. I agree with your statement regarding Hayes, however. I have seen highlights of Hayes, and I don't find him dynamic and explosive enough for today's NBA, though he is creative. We need a wing player who can solidify the SF position for years to come when Porter is eventually let go. I am already predicting that Porter will be a great buyout candidate by the middle of next season if not traded.

[sco]

Okongwu will be a solid prospect. Precious can also be a solid player.

This draft actually has some quality bigman going later in the draft if we want to try to acquire or buy another pick to pair with Lauri, Wendell and Gafford. Of course there is Poku as well which is worth taking a risk on.

However getting another bigman is not what the Bulls need. We need serious help in the backcourt and I think most would agree on this. This team needs to load up on dynamic players who can create, pass and are versatile. Without a roster loaded with those type of players, we cannot compete with the other teams in the league. PG and SF are our biggest needs right now.

Interesting. I just don't see the clarity with our front court talent. Sure, they're a lot of names, but who is the guy? We need that player. That's why I want AK to go hard after Wiseman. I think at the very least, he'll anchor our defense for the next ten years. Wiseman is by no means some seven feet tall stiff. When I look at White, Lavine, and even Satoransky, there is a certain level of comfort and clarity with those guys. I don't think Hayes is better than White or Lavine. So, I'm more reluctant to draft guard than most.

Unless we deal Wendell on draft night, there is no way I would bring Wiseman to this roster. Wendell is already a sensitive guy, apparently, so I don't want to exacerbate that by bringing another young player to take his place. Otherwise, you risk of possibly killing his trade value or even his career. I agree with your statement regarding Hayes, however. I have seen highlights of Hayes, and I don't find him dynamic and explosive enough for today's NBA, though he is creative. We need a wing player who can solidify the SF position for years to come when Porter is eventually let go. I am already predicting that Porter will be a great buyout candidate by the middle of next season if not traded.

I feel the same. Wording it differently, I don't think Wiseman is good enough to essentially zero-out WCj's trade value. You gotta get rid of him before he implodes and becomes worthless as an asset.

[TheSuzerain]

Is Okongwu the sneaky high upside guy at the top? He's there with Edwards in terms of best athleticism among top prospects which is a big part of upside. Wiseman looks pretty average in terms of explosion and mobility. It's his frame that is elite.

Basically comes down to if there's an avenue for him to play at the 4 at all. He does flash wing-level coordination and fluidity which gives me hope. Can score with either hand. Not much passing or 3 point shooting in his college tape, but if you go back to HS there is some reason for projection. His Free throw percentage was quite solid in college, so his shot isn't broken.

As I'm watching the playoffs, he seems to fit the physical profile of who excels: 6'7" - 6'9", strong, athletic, mobile, coordinated. If he's a pure 5, it's probably not worth it at the top. But if he can play the 4 as his skills develop, I think he suddenly has a very compelling upside case.

[PlayerUp]

Interesting. I just don't see the clarity with our front court talent. Sure, they're a lot of names, but who is the guy? We need that player. That's why I want AK to go hard after Wiseman. I think at the very least, he'll anchor our defense for the next ten years. Wiseman is by no means some seven feet tall stiff. When I look at White, Lavine, and even Satoransky, there is a certain level of comfort and clarity with those guys. I don't think Hayes is better than White or Lavine. So, I'm more reluctant to draft guard than most.

I'm not sold on any prospect yet and there is no clear #4 prospect I want in this draft. I prefer trading down and making 2 trades to have 2 picks between #7-#20 and going for higher risk higher ceiling prospects such as Kira Lewis Jr, Cole Anthony or Poku. Alternatively, one of those picks we can add a guy locked in to be a quality player such as Vassell or maybe even Okongwu if he drops. This would improve our chances to land a star in this draft rather than going all in on #4 and potentially striking out.

[drosereturn]

Onyeka Okongwu

Okongwu will be a solid prospect. Precious can also be a solid player.

This draft actually has some quality bigman going later in the draft if we want to try to acquire or buy another pick to pair with Lauri, Wendell and Gafford. Of course there is Poku as well which is worth taking a risk on.

However getting another bigman is not what the Bulls need. We need serious help in the backcourt and I think most would agree on this. This team needs to load up on dynamic players who can create, pass and are versatile. Without a roster loaded with those type of players, we cannot compete with the other teams in the league. PG and SF are our biggest needs right now.

The thing is this draft has one of the better big mans littered so its hard to go for mediocre guard wings. Okongwu wiseman are guaranteed studs with floor being starters.

If your drafting hayes your just looking for fit.
Theres 0 counter argument why he should be picked over those 2 from aa talent perspective.

[BigUps]

Is Okongwu the sneaky high upside guy at the top? He's there with Edwards in terms of best athleticism among top prospects which is a big part of upside. Wiseman looks pretty average in terms of explosion and mobility. It's his frame that is elite.

Basically comes down to if there's an avenue for him to play at the 4 at all. He does flash wing-level coordination and fluidity which gives me hope. Can score with either hand. Not much passing or 3 point shooting in his college tape, but if you go back to HS there is some reason for projection. His Free throw percentage was quite solid in college, so his shot isn't broken.

As I'm watching the playoffs, he seems to fit the physical profile of who excels: 6'7" - 6'9", strong, athletic, mobile, coordinated. If he's a pure 5, it's probably not worth it at the top. But if he can play the 4 as his skills develop, I think he suddenly has a very compelling upside case.

I'm struggling to see how Okongwu is an option at 4, but maybe that just proves how weak this draft is. He feels like a massive project. There is a lot of raw potential there, but I can't stomach taking that when I feel like there are more polished players available.

What's your opinion of Vassell? I feel like he's the one that is being slept on the most. Elite shooter, high release, athletic, great defender. I'd roll the dice on him developing a go to move to get his shot off before I'd roll the dice on Okongwu developing a good shot or finding a position. In a draft thats likely mostly full of role players, Vassell seems like the guy with the highest floor while still having a high ceiling. Avdija is the other that feels similar to me, but he's been talked about a lot already so just focusing on Vassell.

[drosereturn]

My proposal is deal both Carter and even Gafford for the highest price for someone like thybulle, dort and draft those bigs.
Its very clear drafting Okongwu and Poku will make the Bulls become the nuggets very soon.
These guys could potentially be starters for a decade if not all star. I would keep getting bigs if they are bpa but later draft are wing heavy.

[MGB8]

Onyeka Okongwu

Okongwu will be a solid prospect. Precious can also be a solid player.

This draft actually has some quality bigman going later in the draft if we want to try to acquire or buy another pick to pair with Lauri, Wendell and Gafford. Of course there is Poku as well which is worth taking a risk on.

However getting another bigman is not what the Bulls need. We need serious help in the backcourt and I think most would agree on this. This team needs to load up on dynamic players who can create, pass and are versatile. Without a roster loaded with those type of players, we cannot compete with the other teams in the league. PG and SF are our biggest needs right now.

See, I think that's not what the Bulls need. I tend to think that Coby and Lavine can coexist, and there are a billion combo guards out there who can score, shoot, and create (it just depends on the level, obviously).

What the Bulls need positionally, IMO, is a decently sized two way wing who can shoot from 3 (no liability to spacing), handle enough to not be able to drive, defend guards and wings - with the ability to create being a plus. The reason is that I don't think the Bulls can rely on Otto Porter, and he may be more of a small-ball 4 than a wing in the current NBA.

Meanwhile, what I think the Bulls truly need, more than a player at any position, is an infusion of high level talent - with SG being the least preferred position for that since SG LaVine and very possibly combo-guard White are very good NBA talents, if not superstar level.

[MGB8]

Is Okongwu the sneaky high upside guy at the top? He's there with Edwards in terms of best athleticism among top prospects which is a big part of upside. Wiseman looks pretty average in terms of explosion and mobility. It's his frame that is elite.

Basically comes down to if there's an avenue for him to play at the 4 at all. He does flash wing-level coordination and fluidity which gives me hope. Can score with either hand. Not much passing or 3 point shooting in his college tape, but if you go back to HS there is some reason for projection. His Free throw percentage was quite solid in college, so his shot isn't broken.

As I'm watching the playoffs, he seems to fit the physical profile of who excels: 6'7" - 6'9", strong, athletic, mobile, coordinated. If he's a pure 5, it's probably not worth it at the top. But if he can play the 4 as his skills develop, I think he suddenly has a very compelling upside case.

I'm struggling to see how Okongwu is an option at 4, but maybe that just proves how weak this draft is. He feels like a massive project. There is a lot of raw potential there, but I can't stomach taking that when I feel like there are more polished players available.

What's your opinion of Vassell? I feel like he's the one that is being slept on the most. Elite shooter, high release, athletic, great defender. I'd roll the dice on him developing a go to move to get his shot off before I'd roll the dice on Okongwu developing a good shot or finding a position. In a draft thats likely mostly full of role players, Vassell seems like the guy with the highest floor while still having a high ceiling. Avdija is the other that feels similar to me, but he's been talked about a lot already so just focusing on Vassell.

He hates Vassell as a prospect.

[TheSuzerain]

Is Okongwu the sneaky high upside guy at the top? He's there with Edwards in terms of best athleticism among top prospects which is a big part of upside. Wiseman looks pretty average in terms of explosion and mobility. It's his frame that is elite.

Basically comes down to if there's an avenue for him to play at the 4 at all. He does flash wing-level coordination and fluidity which gives me hope. Can score with either hand. Not much passing or 3 point shooting in his college tape, but if you go back to HS there is some reason for projection. His Free throw percentage was quite solid in college, so his shot isn't broken.

As I'm watching the playoffs, he seems to fit the physical profile of who excels: 6'7" - 6'9", strong, athletic, mobile, coordinated. If he's a pure 5, it's probably not worth it at the top. But if he can play the 4 as his skills develop, I think he suddenly has a very compelling upside case.

I'm struggling to see how Okongwu is an option at 4, but maybe that just proves how weak this draft is. He feels like a massive project. There is a lot of raw potential there, but I can't stomach taking that when I feel like there are more polished players available.

What's your opinion of Vassell? I feel like he's the one that is being slept on the most. Elite shooter, high release, athletic, great defender. I'd roll the dice on him developing a go to move to get his shot off before I'd roll the dice on Okongwu developing a good shot or finding a position. In a draft thats likely mostly full of role players, Vassell seems like the guy with the highest floor while still having a high ceiling. Avdija is the other that feels similar to me, but he's been talked about a lot already so just focusing on Vassell.

I don't think Okongwu is much of a project. College was immediately beneath him. Now, him becoming an NBA 4 would be a bit of a project, but that's true for everybody's upside case.

I don't view Vassell as an elite shooter. I think he's destined to be a complementary perimeter piece. He can be good at that, but I don't see it as high upside.

[TheSuzerain]

Vassell is Mikal Bridges without the freakish wingspan and also with a worse college shooting profile due to FT%.

[BigUps]

Is Okongwu the sneaky high upside guy at the top? He's there with Edwards in terms of best athleticism among top prospects which is a big part of upside. Wiseman looks pretty average in terms of explosion and mobility. It's his frame that is elite.

Basically comes down to if there's an avenue for him to play at the 4 at all. He does flash wing-level coordination and fluidity which gives me hope. Can score with either hand. Not much passing or 3 point shooting in his college tape, but if you go back to HS there is some reason for projection. His Free throw percentage was quite solid in college, so his shot isn't broken.

As I'm watching the playoffs, he seems to fit the physical profile of who excels: 6'7" - 6'9", strong, athletic, mobile, coordinated. If he's a pure 5, it's probably not worth it at the top. But if he can play the 4 as his skills develop, I think he suddenly has a very compelling upside case.

I'm struggling to see how Okongwu is an option at 4, but maybe that just proves how weak this draft is. He feels like a massive project. There is a lot of raw potential there, but I can't stomach taking that when I feel like there are more polished players available.

What's your opinion of Vassell? I feel like he's the one that is being slept on the most. Elite shooter, high release, athletic, great defender. I'd roll the dice on him developing a go to move to get his shot off before I'd roll the dice on Okongwu developing a good shot or finding a position. In a draft thats likely mostly full of role players, Vassell seems like the guy with the highest floor while still having a high ceiling. Avdija is the other that feels similar to me, but he's been talked about a lot already so just focusing on Vassell.

I don't think Okongwu is much of a project. College was immediately beneath him. Now, him becoming an NBA 4 would be a bit of a project, but that's true for everybody's upside case.

I don't view Vassell as an elite shooter. I think he's destined to be a complementary perimeter piece. He can be good at that, but I don't see it as high upside.

Depends on how you define elite. It may be too strong of an adjective, but he's a damn good shooter who has great mechanics. His high, quick release is what I love. He's the best defender in the draft too. If Vassell can develop a go to move in the NBA he's going to be a really damn good player. I don't see much downside with him, which should not be read as him having very little upside either. He has just as much potential to develop many, many offensive moves as anyone else. Sometimes I feel like people forget that when evaluating players with a high floor.

I'd be okay with Vassell at 4. More so than Okongwu.

[BullsFTW]

Okongwu is the best big in the draft. Such a fluid athlete who can play on both ends. His shooting needs to improve but he will make an impact defensively right away. He reminds me a lot of a taller Montrezl Harrell. He’s actually a good fit for the Warriors.

[Ugly Duckling]

We don't need him to have 3-pt range yet. I think he'll develop it but right now we need him to rebound, generate extra possessions, and finish at a high % from foul line and in.

Oh it was my understanding he had no range

Thing with him is when he catches outside the paint his instinct is to put the ball on the floor to generate a better shot and draw contact. There's very little footage of him just catching and popping a jumper. Still he shot 72% from the line and almost a quarter of his points came from there. So when I say he might have some range I'm talking Rolo range here.

Watch on YouTube

Hmm his form isn't that bad. If Arturas was somehow able to gauge that he could develop an outside shot, then maybe it's a risk worth taking. I was going off of the limited tape I've seen of him and analysts saying he can't shoot. The reason I'm still kind of hestitant is because a guy who can't knock down an open 3 is now a liability, because defenders can sag off him and the floor isn't as spread out as it should be. That being said, if he develops a 3 ball, he could wind up being the best player in this draft. The other thing is his handles aren't that good and I see him as purely a C in today's game. We already have a pretty good one in WCJ. One who can play D and shoot. I'd still go with someone like Toppin at 4

[Ugly Duckling]

Onyeka Okongwu

Okongwu will be a solid prospect. Precious can also be a solid player.

This draft actually has some quality bigman going later in the draft if we want to try to acquire or buy another pick to pair with Lauri, Wendell and Gafford. Of course there is Poku as well which is worth taking a risk on.

However getting another bigman is not what the Bulls need. We need serious help in the backcourt and I think most would agree on this. This team needs to load up on dynamic players who can create, pass and are versatile. Without a roster loaded with those type of players, we cannot compete with the other teams in the league. PG and SF are our biggest needs right now.

See, I think that's not what the Bulls need. I tend to think that Coby and Lavine can coexist, and there are a billion combo guards out there who can score, shoot, and create (it just depends on the level, obviously).

What the Bulls need positionally, IMO, is a decently sized two way wing who can shoot from 3 (no liability to spacing), handle enough to not be able to drive, defend guards and wings - with the ability to create being a plus. The reason is that I don't think the Bulls can rely on Otto Porter, and he may be more of a small-ball 4 than a wing in the current NBA.

Meanwhile, what I think the Bulls truly need, more than a player at any position, is an infusion of high level talent - with SG being the least preferred position for that since SG LaVine and very possibly combo-guard White are very good NBA talents, if not superstar level.

I agree with everything you said. We just have to take the BPA. Unless there's a good trade on the table of course

[Fastbrk4brkfast]

Oh it was my understanding he had no range

Thing with him is when he catches outside the paint his instinct is to put the ball on the floor to generate a better shot and draw contact. There's very little footage of him just catching and popping a jumper. Still he shot 72% from the line and almost a quarter of his points came from there. So when I say he might have some range I'm talking Rolo range here.

Watch on YouTube

Hmm his form isn't that bad. If Arturas was somehow able to gauge that he could develop an outside shot, then maybe it's a risk worth taking. I was going off of the limited tape I've seen of him and analysts saying he can't shoot. The reason I'm still kind of hestitant is because a guy who can't knock down an open 3 is now a liability, because defenders can sag off him and the floor isn't as spread out as it should be. That being said, if he develops a 3 ball, he could wind up being the best player in this draft. The other thing is his handles aren't that good and I see him as purely a C in today's game. We already have a pretty good one in WCJ. One who can play D and shoot. I'd still go with someone like Toppin at 4

I see him as a 4 because he's a much more viable perimeter defender than any of our current bigs. Whether he's a 4 or 5 isn't as important as the fact that he won't get exposed on switches. I also see him as younger and more coachable than Toppin. Not like Toppin is a locker room cancer but his game pretty much is what it is at this point. Okongwu is a guy who can grow and develop in the direction the team needs him to.

[Chi town]

Is Okongwu the sneaky high upside guy at the top? He's there with Edwards in terms of best athleticism among top prospects which is a big part of upside. Wiseman looks pretty average in terms of explosion and mobility. It's his frame that is elite.

Basically comes down to if there's an avenue for him to play at the 4 at all. He does flash wing-level coordination and fluidity which gives me hope. Can score with either hand. Not much passing or 3 point shooting in his college tape, but if you go back to HS there is some reason for projection. His Free throw percentage was quite solid in college, so his shot isn't broken.

As I'm watching the playoffs, he seems to fit the physical profile of who excels: 6'7" - 6'9", strong, athletic, mobile, coordinated. If he's a pure 5, it's probably not worth it at the top. But if he can play the 4 as his skills develop, I think he suddenly has a very compelling upside case.

I'm struggling to see how Okongwu is an option at 4, but maybe that just proves how weak this draft is. He feels like a massive project. There is a lot of raw potential there, but I can't stomach taking that when I feel like there are more polished players available.

What's your opinion of Vassell? I feel like he's the one that is being slept on the most. Elite shooter, high release, athletic, great defender. I'd roll the dice on him developing a go to move to get his shot off before I'd roll the dice on Okongwu developing a good shot or finding a position. In a draft thats likely mostly full of role players, Vassell seems like the guy with the highest floor while still having a high ceiling. Avdija is the other that feels similar to me, but he's been talked about a lot already so just focusing on Vassell.

I don't think Okongwu is much of a project. College was immediately beneath him. Now, him becoming an NBA 4 would be a bit of a project, but that's true for everybody's upside case.

I don't view Vassell as an elite shooter. I think he's destined to be a complementary perimeter piece. He can be good at that, but I don't see it as high upside.

Nope. 2 to 3 and 3 to 4 but not 5 to 4.

Okungwu is not a wing. Never will be. I like him as a player and talent but he’s outdated in this league unless he’s a great 5 rim protecting and rim running.

Look at Siakam. Can’t do anything against 3s. Same can be said for Lauri.

[Chi town]

Vassell is Mikal Bridges without the freakish wingspan and also with a worse college shooting profile due to FT%.

Which is great value in an awful draft at the most important position in basketball.

I’d trade Lauri for Vassell and I don’t even like him that much. He’s seems to be very similar to Otto with maybe even less creation ability.