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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1241 » by DT RAW » Fri Sep 4, 2020 3:37 pm

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youngcrev wrote:Horford/Thybulle for Dinwiddie/Prince


I think I would do this, but I dont think those contracts match up
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1242 » by youngcrev » Fri Sep 4, 2020 3:49 pm

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youngcrev wrote:Horford/Thybulle for Dinwiddie/Prince


I think I would do this, but I dont think those contracts match up


Requires the Nets to put some insignificant low salary guy in the deal like Kurucs
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Post#1243 » by DT RAW » Fri Sep 4, 2020 3:58 pm

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I think I would do this, but I dont think those contracts match up


Requires the Nets to put some insignificant low salary guy in the deal like Kurucs


how? thybulle and prince are essentially the same but horford has more than double dinwiddies contract value?
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1244 » by youngcrev » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:00 pm

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youngcrev wrote:
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I think I would do this, but I dont think those contracts match up


Requires the Nets to put some insignificant low salary guy in the deal like Kurucs


how? thybulle and prince are essentially the same but horford has more than double dinwiddies contract value?


Prince makes 13.9M next year
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1245 » by DT RAW » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:30 pm

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Requires the Nets to put some insignificant low salary guy in the deal like Kurucs


how? thybulle and prince are essentially the same but horford has more than double dinwiddies contract value?


Prince makes 13.9M next year


oh ok somehow I saw him on his rookie deal still
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1246 » by 51X3RF4N » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:57 pm

What about Terry Rozier as a defensive PG/offensive SG?

Hear me out...

If you go back to the old formula of Ben at PG, then on offense it makes sense to have the SG be a secondary ball handler, and a guy who can go get a bucket. But also a guy who can defend quicker opposing PGs and hit catch and shoot 3s.

There aren't many guys in the league with Rozier's particular skill sets, combined with his contract and experience.

One thing I'll say about Scary Terry is he plays with a level of heart that seems to be lacking from the current roster.

Even if he's not the best defender in the game, he is gonna give effort and show pride in himself, and fight for every possession.

In my opinion, he might be the perfect fit next to a PG Ben Simmons. He also shot over 46% from 3 on catch and shoot which is where he would get lots of looks playing with Ben and Joel.


What package can we offer Charlotte to get him here? They don't "need" him, but they could use an upgrade at Center....
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1247 » by Magic beans » Fri Sep 4, 2020 6:31 pm

Some interesting scenarios / trade proposals. Would be curious of fans opinion on the possibility of signing Fred van vleet in FA. ( apologies if there is another thread for FA )

FVV is slightly undersized, not the most athletic pg. Decent defence, decent perimeter offence, championship experience, plays well in the clutch. I like this kid because he plays like a dog! Rugged and determined. Leave his heart out there on every possession.

Deciding factors being fit considering Simmons and of course cost, I figure he’d be looking circa 25 - 30m a year?

Obviously pieces would have to move to even consider this a possibility.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1248 » by stormi » Fri Sep 4, 2020 6:39 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:What about Terry Rozier as a defensive PG/offensive SG?

Hear me out...

If you go back to the old formula of Ben at PG, then on offense it makes sense to have the SG be a secondary ball handler, and a guy who can go get a bucket. But also a guy who can defend quicker opposing PGs and hit catch and shoot 3s.

There aren't many guys in the league with Rozier's particular skill sets, combined with his contract and experience.

One thing I'll say about Scary Terry is he plays with a level of heart that seems to be lacking from the current roster.

Even if he's not the best defender in the game, he is gonna give effort and show pride in himself, and fight for every possession.

In my opinion, he might be the perfect fit next to a PG Ben Simmons. He also shot over 46% from 3 on catch and shoot which is where he would get lots of looks playing with Ben and Joel.


What package can we offer Charlotte to get him here? They don't "need" him, but they could use an upgrade at Center....


One of the guard options i'm a fan of. Much more than inefficient chuckers like Dinwiddie.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1249 » by youngcrev » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:10 pm

stormi wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:What about Terry Rozier as a defensive PG/offensive SG?

Hear me out...

If you go back to the old formula of Ben at PG, then on offense it makes sense to have the SG be a secondary ball handler, and a guy who can go get a bucket. But also a guy who can defend quicker opposing PGs and hit catch and shoot 3s.

There aren't many guys in the league with Rozier's particular skill sets, combined with his contract and experience.

One thing I'll say about Scary Terry is he plays with a level of heart that seems to be lacking from the current roster.

Even if he's not the best defender in the game, he is gonna give effort and show pride in himself, and fight for every possession.

In my opinion, he might be the perfect fit next to a PG Ben Simmons. He also shot over 46% from 3 on catch and shoot which is where he would get lots of looks playing with Ben and Joel.


What package can we offer Charlotte to get him here? They don't "need" him, but they could use an upgrade at Center....


One of the guard options i'm a fan of. Much more than inefficient chuckers like Dinwiddie.


:-?

Dinwiddie - 54.1 TS% (58% last year)
Rozier - 55.3 TS% (50.1% last year)
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1250 » by Magic beans » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:16 pm

youngcrev wrote:
stormi wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:What about Terry Rozier as a defensive PG/offensive SG?

Hear me out...

If you go back to the old formula of Ben at PG, then on offense it makes sense to have the SG be a secondary ball handler, and a guy who can go get a bucket. But also a guy who can defend quicker opposing PGs and hit catch and shoot 3s.

There aren't many guys in the league with Rozier's particular skill sets, combined with his contract and experience.

One thing I'll say about Scary Terry is he plays with a level of heart that seems to be lacking from the current roster.

Even if he's not the best defender in the game, he is gonna give effort and show pride in himself, and fight for every possession.

In my opinion, he might be the perfect fit next to a PG Ben Simmons. He also shot over 46% from 3 on catch and shoot which is where he would get lots of looks playing with Ben and Joel.


What package can we offer Charlotte to get him here? They don't "need" him, but they could use an upgrade at Center....


One of the guard options i'm a fan of. Much more than inefficient chuckers like Dinwiddie.


:-?

Dinwiddie - 54.1 TS% (58% last year)
Rozier - 55.3 TS% (50.1% last year)


I was much more of a Scary Terry fan when he was at BOS. He kinda dropped off since he got to CHA, better team / roster I guess.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1251 » by DT RAW » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:17 pm

youngcrev wrote:
stormi wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:What about Terry Rozier as a defensive PG/offensive SG?

Hear me out...

If you go back to the old formula of Ben at PG, then on offense it makes sense to have the SG be a secondary ball handler, and a guy who can go get a bucket. But also a guy who can defend quicker opposing PGs and hit catch and shoot 3s.

There aren't many guys in the league with Rozier's particular skill sets, combined with his contract and experience.

One thing I'll say about Scary Terry is he plays with a level of heart that seems to be lacking from the current roster.

Even if he's not the best defender in the game, he is gonna give effort and show pride in himself, and fight for every possession.

In my opinion, he might be the perfect fit next to a PG Ben Simmons. He also shot over 46% from 3 on catch and shoot which is where he would get lots of looks playing with Ben and Joel.


What package can we offer Charlotte to get him here? They don't "need" him, but they could use an upgrade at Center....


One of the guard options i'm a fan of. Much more than inefficient chuckers like Dinwiddie.


:-?

Dinwiddie - 54.1 TS% (58% last year)
Rozier - 55.3 TS% (50.1% last year)


stats are a hell of a thing huh
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1252 » by stormi » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:19 pm

youngcrev wrote:
stormi wrote:
51X3RF4N wrote:What about Terry Rozier as a defensive PG/offensive SG?

Hear me out...

If you go back to the old formula of Ben at PG, then on offense it makes sense to have the SG be a secondary ball handler, and a guy who can go get a bucket. But also a guy who can defend quicker opposing PGs and hit catch and shoot 3s.

There aren't many guys in the league with Rozier's particular skill sets, combined with his contract and experience.

One thing I'll say about Scary Terry is he plays with a level of heart that seems to be lacking from the current roster.

Even if he's not the best defender in the game, he is gonna give effort and show pride in himself, and fight for every possession.

In my opinion, he might be the perfect fit next to a PG Ben Simmons. He also shot over 46% from 3 on catch and shoot which is where he would get lots of looks playing with Ben and Joel.


What package can we offer Charlotte to get him here? They don't "need" him, but they could use an upgrade at Center....


One of the guard options i'm a fan of. Much more than inefficient chuckers like Dinwiddie.


:-?

Dinwiddie - 54.1 TS% (58% last year)
Rozier - 55.3 TS% (50.1% last year)


Talking more about from range. Spencer is more rounded as a pg, definitely more of a creator. I wish he just shot a bit better from 3. He's like a Dame lite honestly.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1253 » by youngcrev » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:23 pm

Magic beans wrote:Some interesting scenarios / trade proposals. Would be curious of fans opinion on the possibility of signing Fred van vleet in FA. ( apologies if there is another thread for FA )

FVV is slightly undersized, not the most athletic pg. Decent defence, decent perimeter offence, championship experience, plays well in the clutch. I like this kid because he plays like a dog! Rugged and determined. Leave his heart out there on every possession.

Deciding factors being fit considering Simmons and of course cost, I figure he’d be looking circa 25 - 30m a year?

Obviously pieces would have to move to even consider this a possibility.


I'd love FVV and see zero fit issues, but the Sixers don't have a cap space so it's kind of moot. I don't think the Raptors would help send him here, and S&Ts are more complicated since we are a tax team.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1254 » by stormi » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:42 pm

Tobias for Otto Porter?
Tobias for CP3?
Richardson + Horford for CP3?
Richardson for Jrue?
Richardson for Dinwiddie?
Horford for Hield?
Horford for Rozier?
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1255 » by 51X3RF4N » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:26 pm

Magic beans wrote:
youngcrev wrote:
stormi wrote:
One of the guard options i'm a fan of. Much more than inefficient chuckers like Dinwiddie.


:-?

Dinwiddie - 54.1 TS% (58% last year)
Rozier - 55.3 TS% (50.1% last year)


I was much more of a Scary Terry fan when he was at BOS. He kinda dropped off since he got to CHA, better team / roster I guess.
I disagree that he "dropped off" when he got to Charlotte. I actually think he improved in a lot of ways. His Per 36 minute numbers improved by almost 5ppg, he got to the free throw line 1.3 more times, he shot 2 more total shots per 36 and his FG% went from 38% to 42%, and his 3pt % went from 35% to 40% on the same volume. His FT % also went from 78% to 87%.

So my proposal would be...

To CLT: Horford, OKC pick and Scott
To PHI: Zeller and Rozier

Why? Charlotte gets a vet big man to help the young guys make a playoff push. They don't need 2 starting PG's and 0 starting C's.

To PHX: Richardson, 2 Second round picks
To PHI: Sign and trade Dario, Okobo

Why? Richardson is a better defender on the wing, and might be what Phoenix needs to take the next step in the West.

To SAS: Zhaire Smith, 2 Second round picks
To PHI: Derrick White

Philly ends up with:

C- Embiid/Zeller
PF- Harris/Saric
SF- Thybulle/Korkmaz
SG- Rozier/Shake
PG- Simmons/White

That second unit may not have any great defenders, but all of those guys can catch and shoot 3s, and you'd blend them into the starters anyhow in a staggered way.

You can't pick on any of the starters defensively except Tobias who would be more naturally at the PF spot now.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1256 » by youngcrev » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:40 pm

No way would the Spurs trade White for that (and no way would Terry Rozier start over him).
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1257 » by phillynative » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:39 am

Tobi
Zhaire smith
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1258 » by VDT » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:44 am

Magic beans wrote:Some interesting scenarios / trade proposals. Would be curious of fans opinion on the possibility of signing Fred van vleet in FA. ( apologies if there is another thread for FA )

FVV is slightly undersized, not the most athletic pg. Decent defence, decent perimeter offence, championship experience, plays well in the clutch. I like this kid because he plays like a dog! Rugged and determined. Leave his heart out there on every possession.

Deciding factors being fit considering Simmons and of course cost, I figure he’d be looking circa 25 - 30m a year?

Obviously pieces would have to move to even consider this a possibility.


Paying FVV 25-30 is so laughable that not even Brand would do it (i think).
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Post#1259 » by ExplosionsInDaSky » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:27 am

I don't want any part of FVV, but someone is going to pay him and that someone will pay dearly.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1260 » by ProcessDoctor » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:55 am

Milwaukee will probably be our biggest competition for CP3.

Bledsoe/Illyasova/Robin/Wilson/#24/2022 2nd for CP3

I think our only way to compete with that is via a 3-way trade. If they have to take on Harris or Horford,we'd have to give up a lot more compensation IMO.
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