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2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

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Joe Biden
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Post#721 » by Pointgod » Fri Sep 4, 2020 6:46 pm

j4remi wrote:
Capn'O wrote:I'll leave all time rankings to the historians but he is absolutely doing a dry run on executing absolute power over his political opponents. That was made clear in Washington, Portland, and elsewhere. He is figuring out who (agencies) will help him and who won't, as well as the extent of his opposition. In DHS, he has an ally as well as with many local law enforcement agencies and his conspiracy militia goons in the general public. His institutional opposition is still bent at opposing using the levers of our democracy, which doesn't work to your advantage vs. a person who has no regard for those levers.

I also put the need for his removal at dire.


Yeah, I think there's probably some interesting discussion to be had about Trump vs Jackson and others but the present problem is Trump. At the end of the day, the fact that the current president can be debated against the absolute worst president's in history is all that needs to be said for the time being...get this dude out of office and then we can let the historians weigh-in. He could be out in 3 months but the lowest lows aren't even necessarily fully known yet and might not have even been reached (the election could be an absolute disaster).

Edit: I have an entirely speculative hot take on why Trump did the "vote by mail AND in person" stuff recently...basically trying to get a voter fraud stat boost and then claim it was Dem voters. He's potentially dumb enough to just say that ish out of cluelessness but it's a good way to continue to galvanize problems on election day regardless.


The problem is that if it’s all people voting for him, then that kind of defeats his whole argument since it will all be his supporters voting. It’s also pretty idiotic because not only will those ballots be thrown out, it’s a federal offense and they’ll get prosecuted. Getting Federal and State charges to own the Libs! Truly smooth brained thinking here.
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Post#722 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:08 pm

Read on Twitter


Go read it on Twitter to see the full thread of comments below. It's interesting, may be an inkling of the shift I said would likely happen, particularly among retired veterans
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Post#723 » by HarthorneWingo » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:09 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:the Atlantic article is getting picked up by the rest of the media now. This story is going to get disseminated and made a part of the takedown by Biden. You can see it spreading here

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+losers+suckers&sxsrf=ALeKk036GWvrMZqOa59yg7vw0ZFnErU_TQ:1599206765784&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiHj8m5hc_rAhXFuFkKHZuBDT0Q_AUoAnoECEEQBA&biw=1440&bih=747

I do enjoy this headline

John McCain returns to his condo inside Donald Trump's head

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2020/09/03/john-mccain-returns-his-condo-inside-donald-trumps-head/5713431002/

and now Trump is spazzing out even more than usual

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That's right, John McCain would still not be buried and his body languishing in Arizona if it wasn't for Trump. :crazy:

and the first class funeral he was given by our Country, had to be approved by me, as President, & I did so without hesitation or complaint. Quite the contrary, I felt it was well deserved. I even sent Air Force One to bring his body, in casket, from Arizona to Washington.
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Post#724 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:11 pm

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:the Atlantic article is getting picked up by the rest of the media now. This story is going to get disseminated and made a part of the takedown by Biden. You can see it spreading here

https://www.google.com/search?q=trump+losers+suckers&sxsrf=ALeKk036GWvrMZqOa59yg7vw0ZFnErU_TQ:1599206765784&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiHj8m5hc_rAhXFuFkKHZuBDT0Q_AUoAnoECEEQBA&biw=1440&bih=747

I do enjoy this headline

John McCain returns to his condo inside Donald Trump's head

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/op-ed/ej-montini/2020/09/03/john-mccain-returns-his-condo-inside-donald-trumps-head/5713431002/

and now Trump is spazzing out even more than usual

Read on Twitter


That's right, John McCain would still not be buried and his body languishing in Arizona if it wasn't for Trump. :crazy:

and the first class funeral he was given by our Country, had to be approved by me, as President, & I did so without hesitation or complaint. Quite the contrary, I felt it was well deserved. I even sent Air Force One to bring his body, in casket, from Arizona to Washington.


And what's more that quote by Trump is full of lies as usual. Trump did nothing but bitch and moan about the attention given to McCain when he died. He was furious that flags flew at half mast in the capitol.
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Post#725 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:13 pm

Read on Twitter


Probably another reason military will turn on Trump and not just retired vets. Active troops rely on Stars and Stripes. I grew up with a Stars and Stripe reporter
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Post#726 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:18 pm

Pointgod wrote:
Oscirus wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
No, Trump is absolutely the worst president in American history

And none of those guys had nuclear weapons

If Trump has a second term he's going to start WW3

One massacred indians **** the banks and told the courts to **** off when they told him to knock it off, the other legitimatized a hate organizationand caused world war 2 with his bull ( and thats ignoring all the other bull he did/ ignored). Theres a few others worst than trump. His just feels worst cuz we're living through it.

If he was more competent, he'd likely be dangerous, thankfully, he's not.


The way you have to look at it is if Trump switched places with Jackson and Wilson, do you think he wouldn’t do the same thing? You have to be on some high grade cocaine to believe that a 1800’s version of Trump wouldn’t commit genocide on the natives. I mean current Trump is actively promoting white supremacists, you don’t think he’d be just as bad as Wilson? Let’s add on the fact that he’s openly corrupt and robbing the US for his own personal gain and he’s also an obvious traitor. Trump is unique in that he easily has the worst qualities of the worst Presidents wrapped up into one person. Replace him with the worst Presidents and you get the same results and then some.


Trump is a Russian asset. He works for Putin. That alone should be enough to make the case he's the worst President of all time. There is no other President that was a traitor to my knowledge.
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Post#727 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:26 pm

Keep in mind there are many people who have crossed paths with Trump, worked with him or for him, are former WH staff and apparently current WH staff leaking stories that all absolutely hate the man and who do not want him re-elected.

Considering what a loathesome troll Trump is and that the amount of dirt on him is basically a bottomless cesspool, the incentive to leak these stories is only going to grow stronger between now and November.
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Post#728 » by BallSacBounce » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:28 pm

Stannis wrote:So Trump just made a peace/economic deal between Kosovo and Serbia. It was mostly done to put another peace deal under his belt to help his campaign according to some Kosovo leaders.

Anyways, does this affect the election at all?

The deal mostly involves Serbia moving their Israel Embassy to Jerusalem, and Kosovo recognizing Israel. So this seems like more of a pro-Israel move for Trump as he has always done.

Maybe it gets Trump more of the Jewish vote?

It is getting a lot of buzz on Twitter.

Glad to see Kosovo co-operating for Trump's sake. I guess Trump really isn't anti-Musilm and just wants everyone to be peaceful and happy.

Serbia-Kosovo agreement results from Trump's different brand of diplomacy

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/serbia-kosovo-agreement-results-from-trump-s-different-brand-of-diplomacy/ar-BB18Ip0x

Ever since 2017, the U.S. position on the Serbia-Kosovo conflict has been that steps toward economic normalization will dilute the power and importance of the dispute's hot-button political matters.

The parties have agreed to construct a roadway and railway link between their respective capitals, Belgrade and Pristina.

They have committed to a joint feasibility study on options for linking the rail infrastructure to a deep-sea port in the Adriatic. Both parties will work with the U.S. International Development Finance Corporation and Export-Import Bank to support these projects and provide financing for small and medium-sized enterprises. All these agreements will enable a more free and efficient flow of people and goods across the border between Serbia and Kosovo.

As for the border itself, Serbia and Kosovo have agreed to open and operationalize the Merdare Common Crossing Point facility, to recognize each other's diplomas and professional certificates, and to join the "mini-Schengen zone" announced by Serbia, Albania and North Macedonia in October 2019. It soon will be easier than ever for Serbs and Kosovars to live, work, trade and study in each other's' neighborhoods, companies and universities.



As a demonstration of good faith from the two parties toward the U.S., Serbia and Kosovo also committed Friday to cooperate with certain key U.S. policy priorities in the region.

Both parties pledged to protect and promote freedom of religion, including renewed interfaith communication, protection of religious sites, and continued restitution of Holocaust-era heirless and unclaimed Jewish property.


Both agreed to designate Hezbollah in its entirety as a terrorist organization and fully implement measures to restrict Hezbollah's operations and financial activities in their jurisdictions.

Both agreed to work with the U.S. government to decriminalize homosexuality in the 69 countries where it is currently illegal.

And, perhaps most of all, Serbia has pledged to move its embassy in Israel from Tel Aviv to Jerusalem, while Kosovo has agreed to mutual recognition with Israel.

Following on the heels of the Aug. 13 peace agreement between Israel and the United Arab Emirates, Friday's agreement between Kosovo and Serbia to take steps toward economic normalization and an eventual peaceful coexistence demonstrates the achievements of President Trump and his administration's sound engagement throughout the world. When the U.S. government prioritizes diplomacy over force, and understanding over threats, the world stands to benefit.


Turns out Trump just plain sucks as a homophobe and warmongerer. Just terrible. The worst one ever.

Election influence? IDK, one tenth of one point?
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Post#729 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:30 pm


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Post#730 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:33 pm

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https://gregolear.substack.com/p/101-collaborators-treason-power-rankings

This is quite the walk of shame
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Post#731 » by j4remi » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:43 pm

Pointgod wrote:
j4remi wrote:Yeah, I think there's probably some interesting discussion to be had about Trump vs Jackson and others but the present problem is Trump. At the end of the day, the fact that the current president can be debated against the absolute worst president's in history is all that needs to be said for the time being...get this dude out of office and then we can let the historians weigh-in. He could be out in 3 months but the lowest lows aren't even necessarily fully known yet and might not have even been reached (the election could be an absolute disaster).

Edit: I have an entirely speculative hot take on why Trump did the "vote by mail AND in person" stuff recently...basically trying to get a voter fraud stat boost and then claim it was Dem voters. He's potentially dumb enough to just say that ish out of cluelessness but it's a good way to continue to galvanize problems on election day regardless.


The problem is that if it’s all people voting for him, then that kind of defeats his whole argument since it will all be his supporters voting. It’s also pretty idiotic because not only will those ballots be thrown out, it’s a federal offense and they’ll get prosecuted. Getting Federal and State charges to own the Libs! Truly smooth brained thinking here.


The people that type of suggestion would work on aren't exactly thinking rationally though. On top of that, he also encouraged these cats to show up and double-check that their votes were received. Even on the margins, this stuff sets up narratives and slow downs for him to toy with on election day and I sincerely don't believe that he's above any of the shenanigans.
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Post#732 » by Stannis » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:48 pm

BallSacBounce wrote:Glad to see Kosovo co-operating for Trump's sake. I guess Trump really isn't anti-Musilm and just wants everyone to be peaceful and happy.

[SNIP]

Election influence? IDK, one tenth of one point?

It was a dumb deal for both Serbia and Kosovo. From what I've been reading, both hate the deal. It has some weird stuff in there regarding 5G. Nothing will make these countries progress, definitely not Kosovo. The prime ministers were strong-armed into signing.

It was a ceremonial signing obviously to help Trump's re-election. Nobody cares about Kosovo and Serbia which is why Trump threw Israel in there. But on top of his UAE deal, it might help pump is Evangelical + pro-Israel base.

1/8 of a point sounds about right.

On another note, such a bad deal for Kosovo and dealing with Serbia, might just give the DNC more Trump = Russian Asset fodder:

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Post#733 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:49 pm

j4remi wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
j4remi wrote:Yeah, I think there's probably some interesting discussion to be had about Trump vs Jackson and others but the present problem is Trump. At the end of the day, the fact that the current president can be debated against the absolute worst president's in history is all that needs to be said for the time being...get this dude out of office and then we can let the historians weigh-in. He could be out in 3 months but the lowest lows aren't even necessarily fully known yet and might not have even been reached (the election could be an absolute disaster).

Edit: I have an entirely speculative hot take on why Trump did the "vote by mail AND in person" stuff recently...basically trying to get a voter fraud stat boost and then claim it was Dem voters. He's potentially dumb enough to just say that ish out of cluelessness but it's a good way to continue to galvanize problems on election day regardless.


The problem is that if it’s all people voting for him, then that kind of defeats his whole argument since it will all be his supporters voting. It’s also pretty idiotic because not only will those ballots be thrown out, it’s a federal offense and they’ll get prosecuted. Getting Federal and State charges to own the Libs! Truly smooth brained thinking here.


The people that type of suggestion would work on aren't exactly thinking rationally though. On top of that, he also encouraged these cats to show up and double-check that their votes were received. Even on the margins, this stuff sets up narratives and slow downs for him to toy with on election day and I sincerely don't believe that he's above any of the shenanigans.


I thought nothing could surprise me when it comes to Trump, but when he said in NC to vote twice I realized the situation is already completely unhinged. I suppose the argument that the more foolish and incompetent their efforts at sabotage becomes the less likely he'll accomplish his goal is the most rational conclusion at this point. I've maintained that they will try to sandbag the results, but they will fail. The more outlandish their efforts become the more certain I become they will fail, though that certitude is accompanied by body shakes and chills when I think about what we're about to go through.
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Post#734 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:53 pm

William Barr's response to CNN when asked about Trump's vote twice in NC comment:

“I don’t know what the law in the particular state says.”

These fcking people
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Post#735 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:58 pm

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It's really getting real real right about now really
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Post#736 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:01 pm

geez, look at the results for the #My Dad hashtag trending on Twitter

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Post#737 » by BallSacBounce » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:12 pm

Stannis wrote:
BallSacBounce wrote:Glad to see Kosovo co-operating for Trump's sake. I guess Trump really isn't anti-Musilm and just wants everyone to be peaceful and happy.

[SNIP]

Election influence? IDK, one tenth of one point?

It was a dumb deal for both Serbia and Kosovo. From what I've been reading, both hate the deal. It has some weird stuff in there regarding 5G. Nothing will make these countries progress, definitely not Kosovo. The prime ministers were strong-armed into signing.

It was a ceremonial signing obviously to help Trump's re-election. Nobody cares about Kosovo and Serbia which is why Trump threw Israel in there. But on top of his UAE deal, it might help pump is Evangelical + pro-Israel base.

1/8 of a point sounds about right.

On another note, such a bad deal for Kosovo and dealing with Serbia, might just give the DNC more Trump = Russian Asset fodder:

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OK, but specifically why was it a dumb deal for both and how were they strong armed. Because that just sounds like sour grapes.

The deal certainly looks beneficial to both, building economic cooperation etc.
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Post#738 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:17 pm

I appreciate that Biden continues to show Putin what he will be dealing with when he is President in stark contrast to Trump's "obsequious" conduct

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If anyone thinks I'm overly obsessed with Russian collusion, just stop and ask yourself:

Do you even have a democracy any longer if elected officials are fundamentally working for a person like Putin?

I ask that question, because the net result is bad not just for foreign affairs, but domestic affairs too.

What does anyone think Putin wants for America on a domestic level? Racial harmony, consenus, collaboration across the political spectrum?

Putin wants only chaos for the USA and he cultivated Trump precisely for that reason, because Trump was a once in a lifetime opportunity to groom a Manchurian Candidate whose psychological profile in total is predicated on creating chaos. That is the ONLY thing Trump knows how to do, i.e. inflame, troll, agitate. It is who he is and Putin saw into Trump's black heart and knew he could use him to destabilize America and he has.

Biden is cutting to the chase and staring at Putin when he looks at the camera and saying there will be consequences for your election meddling which intelligence has clearly said (and which Trump ignores) continues to happen.

This picture perfectly sums up the traitor sitting in the WH

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Post#739 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:36 pm

This is Fox News completing the loop by confirming Trump's comments about the military are accurate.
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Now that this has legs, it is going to put massive wind into the sails of Biden's interrogation of Trump over the Russian bounty scandal

I do think the camel's back is starting to break and we may start to see polls more consistently drop below Trump's 40% support level
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Post#740 » by j4remi » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:39 pm

Clyde_Style wrote:I thought nothing could surprise me when it comes to Trump, but when he said in NC to vote twice I realized the situation is already completely unhinged. I suppose the argument that the more foolish and incompetent their efforts at sabotage becomes the less likely he'll accomplish his goal is the most rational conclusion at this point. I've maintained that they will try to sandbag the results, but they will fail. The more outlandish their efforts become the more certain I become they will fail, though that certitude is accompanied by body shakes and chills when I think about what we're about to go through.


Yeah, I feel you on that. I think it's logical to assume that the more outward and ridiculous the behavior gets, the easier it will be to shut down the crap...but then I think about the Brooks Brother riot and the slew of abuses of power Trump's already gotten away with and I am sincerely worried.
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