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2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

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Who are you voting for?

Donald Trump
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Joe Biden
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Howie Hawkins
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Jo Jorgensen
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Post#741 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:49 pm

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Clyde_Style wrote:I thought nothing could surprise me when it comes to Trump, but when he said in NC to vote twice I realized the situation is already completely unhinged. I suppose the argument that the more foolish and incompetent their efforts at sabotage becomes the less likely he'll accomplish his goal is the most rational conclusion at this point. I've maintained that they will try to sandbag the results, but they will fail. The more outlandish their efforts become the more certain I become they will fail, though that certitude is accompanied by body shakes and chills when I think about what we're about to go through.


Yeah, I feel you on that. I think it's logical to assume that the more outward and ridiculous the behavior gets, the easier it will be to shut down the crap...but then I think about the Brooks Brother riot and the slew of abuses of power Trump's already gotten away with and I am sincerely worried.


William Barr's only significant success so far was shutting down Mueller, but now we know it was really Rosenstein who muzzled Mueller from the beginning and that Mueller was not the eager beaver we had hoped he was so he folded.

Barr has tried to usurp the SDNY and failed. Get Flynn off and failed. Get Stone off and failed (leading to the commutation which might still fail down the road). Tried to block Bolton's book and failed. Tried to lock Cohen back up to block his book and failed.

Since it is pretty clear guys like Barr will be going to jail if they don't re-elect Trump I do expect lots more stupid hail mary schemes, but see little evidence the court system is buying into it. Which pretty much reduces them to depending on DeJoy and lone wolf operatives within state GOP infrastructures to mess with the vote totals.

DeJoy really came off as a steaming pile of sleaze in their congressional testimony, but I still think the mail will arrive for one simple reason: Jail time. Think about the Post Office for a second. DeJoy literally has hundreds of thousands of very pissed off vested employees watching everything and ready to rain down on him the kind of testimony that would put him away for life. So he'll stall, but he can't afford to actually steal mail unless he is willing to go to prison for Trump. I think there will be no honor amongst these thieves and few will be willing to go that far.

Barr, however, is already screwed, so he's going to continue his crime spree along with Kushner. Both are going down, so they literally will just keep doing their thing until the final bell.
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Post#742 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 8:56 pm

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Post#743 » by GONYK » Fri Sep 4, 2020 9:54 pm

Here is the video of Fox News independently corroborating the report that Trump has disrespected fallen soldiers

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Post#744 » by Clyde_Style » Fri Sep 4, 2020 10:37 pm

GONYK wrote:Here is the video of Fox News independently corroborating the report that Trump has disrespected fallen soldiers

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Wow. They went all in. No way Trump doesn't lose more votes over this
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Post#745 » by Pointgod » Fri Sep 4, 2020 11:15 pm

GONYK wrote:Here is the video of Fox News independently corroborating the report that Trump has disrespected fallen soldiers

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But then they go and do this. Fox News absolutely has nothing but contempt for their viewers and believes they’re all idiots.

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Oh I like the own by Buttigieg

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Post#747 » by Stannis » Sat Sep 5, 2020 12:23 am

Bolton saying Trump never said those yhinngs about soldiers?
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Post#748 » by Oscirus » Sat Sep 5, 2020 12:29 am

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No, Trump is absolutely the worst president in American history

And none of those guys had nuclear weapons

If Trump has a second term he's going to start WW3

One massacred indians **** the banks and told the courts to **** off when they told him to knock it off, the other legitimatized a hate organizationand caused world war 2 with his bull ( and thats ignoring all the other bull he did/ ignored). Theres a few others worst than trump. His just feels worst cuz we're living through it.

If he was more competent, he'd likely be dangerous, thankfully, he's not.


The way you have to look at it is if Trump switched places with Jackson and Wilson, do you think he wouldn’t do the same thing? You have to be on some high grade cocaine to believe that a 1800’s version of Trump wouldn’t commit genocide on the natives. I mean current Trump is actively promoting white supremacists, you don’t think he’d be just as bad as Wilson? Let’s add on the fact that he’s openly corrupt and robbing the US for his own personal gain and he’s also an obvious traitor. Trump is unique in that he easily has the worst qualities of the worst Presidents wrapped up into one person. Replace him with the worst Presidents and you get the same results and then some.

Well yes, he'd def be jackson if he was president in the age of jackson, likely superpopular too since only rich white male landowners were voting during that point. He's still not competent enough to be wilson but honestly, he falls more in line with the presidents in over their heads, the pierces, buchannans and hoovers etc. I mean yea he's dangerous, but at this point, his handlers still keep him in check. Perhaps he would become worse once he becomes a lame duck president, but hopefully, that will only be a theoretical question after Biden hopefully beats him.
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Post#749 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Sep 5, 2020 12:30 am

Oscirus wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Oscirus wrote:One massacred indians **** the banks and told the courts to **** off when they told him to knock it off, the other legitimatized a hate organizationand caused world war 2 with his bull ( and thats ignoring all the other bull he did/ ignored). Theres a few others worst than trump. His just feels worst cuz we're living through it.

If he was more competent, he'd likely be dangerous, thankfully, he's not.


The way you have to look at it is if Trump switched places with Jackson and Wilson, do you think he wouldn’t do the same thing? You have to be on some high grade cocaine to believe that a 1800’s version of Trump wouldn’t commit genocide on the natives. I mean current Trump is actively promoting white supremacists, you don’t think he’d be just as bad as Wilson? Let’s add on the fact that he’s openly corrupt and robbing the US for his own personal gain and he’s also an obvious traitor. Trump is unique in that he easily has the worst qualities of the worst Presidents wrapped up into one person. Replace him with the worst Presidents and you get the same results and then some.

Well yes, he'd def be jackson if he was president in the age of jackson, likely superpopular too since only rich white male landowners were voting during that point. He's still not competent enough to be wilson but honestly, he falls more in line with the presidents in over their heads, the pierces, buchannans and hoovers etc. I mean yea he's dangerous, but at this point, his handlers still keep him in check. Perhaps he would become worse once he becomes a lame duck president, but hopefully, that will only be a theoretical question after Biden hopefully beats him.


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Post#750 » by Knick4Real » Sat Sep 5, 2020 12:31 am

Clyde_Style wrote:This is Fox News completing the loop by confirming Trump's comments about the military are accurate.
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Now that this has legs, it is going to put massive wind into the sails of Biden's interrogation of Trump over the Russian bounty scandal

I do think the camel's back is starting to break and we may start to see polls more consistently drop below Trump's 40% support level


The first debate is on September 29. Biden only needs to continue to hammer this issue every chance he gets.
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Post#751 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Sep 5, 2020 12:34 am

Stannis wrote:Bolton saying Trump never said those yhinngs about soldiers?


Bolton has little credibility left with the general public (not that he had a ton of it to begin with), but especially now with Trump's base. If Pentagon insiders who were with Trump on the trip are now being used to corroborate Trump's comments, then Bolton is not going to reverse the narrative.
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Post#752 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Sep 5, 2020 12:37 am

Knick4Real wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:This is Fox News completing the loop by confirming Trump's comments about the military are accurate.
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Now that this has legs, it is going to put massive wind into the sails of Biden's interrogation of Trump over the Russian bounty scandal

I do think the camel's back is starting to break and we may start to see polls more consistently drop below Trump's 40% support level


The first debate is on September 29. Biden only needs to continue to hammer this issue every chance he gets.


Agreed. It has been the pivot point I've been keyed in on because I'm convinced Trump has absolutely no comeback and it really cuts to the heart of any illusions he tries to project about being a champion of American identity and patriotism.

I do think Trump losing military support which impacts the family opinions of his base significantly is the wedge that turns this into a landslide victory.
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Post#753 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:08 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:This is Fox News completing the loop by confirming Trump's comments about the military are accurate.
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Now that this has legs, it is going to put massive wind into the sails of Biden's interrogation of Trump over the Russian bounty scandal

I do think the camel's back is starting to break and we may start to see polls more consistently drop below Trump's 40% support level


The first debate is on September 29. Biden only needs to continue to hammer this issue every chance he gets.


Agreed. It has been the pivot point I've been keyed in on because I'm convinced Trump has absolutely no comeback and it really cuts to the heart of any illusions he tries to project about being a champion of American identity and patriotism.

I do think Trump losing military support which impacts the family opinions of his base significantly is the wedge that turns this into a landslide victory.


I betcha Kelly’s kicking himself for not doing the deed now.

https://www.thewrap.com/trump-john-mccain-john-kelly-the-atlantic/

President Trump on Friday stood by disparaging comments me made about John McCain in 2015, also disparaged his former chief of staff and retired Marine general John Kelly, and continued to deny a Thursday report in The Atlantic that said the president called soldiers who died in war “suckers” and “losers.”

The president then proceeded to disparage Kelly, who has not come forward to deny the report, and suggested that a “guy like John Kelly” could have been one of the anonymous sources.

“I know John Kelly. He was with me, didn’t do a good job, had no temperament and ultimately he was petered out, he was exhausted. This man was totally exhausted. He wasn’t even able to function in the last number of months. He was not able to function. He was sort of a tough guy. By the time he got eaten up in this world, it’s a different world than he was used to, he was unable to function,” Trump said. “I don’t know that it was him. I haven’t seen that. I see anonymous, but it could have been a guy like a John Kelly. He was a very — you look at some of his news conferences, what happened to him, he got eaten alive. He was unable to handle the pressure of this job.”
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Post#754 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:13 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
The first debate is on September 29. Biden only needs to continue to hammer this issue every chance he gets.


Agreed. It has been the pivot point I've been keyed in on because I'm convinced Trump has absolutely no comeback and it really cuts to the heart of any illusions he tries to project about being a champion of American identity and patriotism.

I do think Trump losing military support which impacts the family opinions of his base significantly is the wedge that turns this into a landslide victory.


I betcha Kelly’s kicking himself for not doing the deed now.

https://www.thewrap.com/trump-john-mccain-john-kelly-the-atlantic/

President Trump on Friday stood by disparaging comments me made about John McCain in 2015, also disparaged his former chief of staff and retired Marine general John Kelly, and continued to deny a Thursday report in The Atlantic that said the president called soldiers who died in war “suckers” and “losers.”

The president then proceeded to disparage Kelly, who has not come forward to deny the report, and suggested that a “guy like John Kelly” could have been one of the anonymous sources.

“I know John Kelly. He was with me, didn’t do a good job, had no temperament and ultimately he was petered out, he was exhausted. This man was totally exhausted. He wasn’t even able to function in the last number of months. He was not able to function. He was sort of a tough guy. By the time he got eaten up in this world, it’s a different world than he was used to, he was unable to function,” Trump said. “I don’t know that it was him. I haven’t seen that. I see anonymous, but it could have been a guy like a John Kelly. He was a very — you look at some of his news conferences, what happened to him, he got eaten alive. He was unable to handle the pressure of this job.”


Between Mathis and Kelly, I think the better of the two was probably Mathis. Kelly has some serious residue from his time with Trump. Even if he felt he was there to keep Trump in check, Kelly by some accounts was kind of a bigot himself and was pretty much down with Trump's immigration policies.

It is probably eating Kelly's soul alive to have this come out now. We can be sure he hates Trump, but it must be hard to simultaneously catch sympathy and disdain in equal measures.
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Post#755 » by Pointgod » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:42 am

Knick4Real wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:This is Fox News completing the loop by confirming Trump's comments about the military are accurate.
Read on Twitter

Now that this has legs, it is going to put massive wind into the sails of Biden's interrogation of Trump over the Russian bounty scandal

I do think the camel's back is starting to break and we may start to see polls more consistently drop below Trump's 40% support level


The first debate is on September 29. Biden only needs to continue to hammer this issue every chance he gets.


Did you see Biden answering questions from the media today? I don’t think there will be debates because Trump is going to look like a complete loser. All Biden has to do is hit on a common theme that Trump is not fit to lead. Connect his contempt for the military to his failure to manage the coronavirus and utter weakness to allow Russia to place bounties on the military. If the election is a referendum on Trump then it’s a losing proposition for cadet bone spurs
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Post#756 » by HarthorneWingo » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:56 am

Pointgod wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
Clyde_Style wrote:This is Fox News completing the loop by confirming Trump's comments about the military are accurate.
Read on Twitter

Now that this has legs, it is going to put massive wind into the sails of Biden's interrogation of Trump over the Russian bounty scandal

I do think the camel's back is starting to break and we may start to see polls more consistently drop below Trump's 40% support level


The first debate is on September 29. Biden only needs to continue to hammer this issue every chance he gets.


Did you see Biden answering questions from the media today? I don’t think there will be debates because Trump is going to look like a complete loser. All Biden has to do is hit on a common theme that Trump is not fit to lead. Connect his contempt for the military to his failure to manage the coronavirus and utter weakness to allow Russia to place bounties on the military. If the election is a referendum on Trump then it’s a losing proposition for cadet bone spurs


Don’t kid yourself. There’s more than enough material for Trump to use against Biden.
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Post#757 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:09 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
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The first debate is on September 29. Biden only needs to continue to hammer this issue every chance he gets.


Did you see Biden answering questions from the media today? I don’t think there will be debates because Trump is going to look like a complete loser. All Biden has to do is hit on a common theme that Trump is not fit to lead. Connect his contempt for the military to his failure to manage the coronavirus and utter weakness to allow Russia to place bounties on the military. If the election is a referendum on Trump then it’s a losing proposition for cadet bone spurs


Don’t kid yourself. There’s more than enough material for Trump to use against Biden.


Not really, because Biden's record is going to be based on his time as VP to Obama and Trump has squandered every point of comparison to Obama's presidency.

The dumb memes are not working so what exactly do you think Trump is going to use against Biden? If he tries to attack Biden with the stuff the left attacks him with it will backfire, because Trump has proven he is the enemy of the black community. The country was stable by comparison during Obama so the law and order thing is backfiring.

They have almost nothing left to use against Biden. You've got something?
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Post#758 » by Pointgod » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:12 am

HarthorneWingo wrote:
Pointgod wrote:
Knick4Real wrote:
The first debate is on September 29. Biden only needs to continue to hammer this issue every chance he gets.


Did you see Biden answering questions from the media today? I don’t think there will be debates because Trump is going to look like a complete loser. All Biden has to do is hit on a common theme that Trump is not fit to lead. Connect his contempt for the military to his failure to manage the coronavirus and utter weakness to allow Russia to place bounties on the military. If the election is a referendum on Trump then it’s a losing proposition for cadet bone spurs


Don’t kid yourself. There’s more than enough material for Trump to use against Biden.


There’s nothing substantial that Trump can use against Biden without spouting conspiracy theories and outright lies. Trump is the incumbent President and he has a poor record that he has to defend. Plus him and the right wing have set the bar low for Biden with their lies and Russian backed propaganda.
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Post#759 » by Bulls69 » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:39 am

Clyde_Style wrote:
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Did you see Biden answering questions from the media today? I don’t think there will be debates because Trump is going to look like a complete loser. All Biden has to do is hit on a common theme that Trump is not fit to lead. Connect his contempt for the military to his failure to manage the coronavirus and utter weakness to allow Russia to place bounties on the military. If the election is a referendum on Trump then it’s a losing proposition for cadet bone spurs


Don’t kid yourself. There’s more than enough material for Trump to use against Biden.


Not really, because Biden's record is going to be based on his time as VP to Obama and Trump has squandered every point of comparison to Obama's presidency.

Th e dumb memes are not working so what exactly do you think Trump is going to use against Biden? If he tries to attack Biden with the stenuff the left attacks him with it will backfire, because Trump has proven he is the enemy of the black community. The country was stable by comparison during Obama so the law and order thing is backfiring.

They have almost nothing left to use against Biden. You've got something?
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Biden also needs to hammer Trump on defunding Social Security with the payroll tax cuts the seniors in Florida are very reliable voters whom supports Trump. If Biden can keep Trump on the defense for the next two months Biden will be sitting pretty comes Nov.3rd Biden don't take Trump bait with his fake conspiracies theories that Trump will throw at him over the next two months.
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Post#760 » by Clyde_Style » Sat Sep 5, 2020 2:43 am

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Don’t kid yourself. There’s more than enough material for Trump to use against Biden.


Not really, because Biden's record is going to be based on his time as VP to Obama and Trump has squandered every point of comparison to Obama's presidency.

Th e dumb memes are not working so what exactly do you think Trump is going to use against Biden? If he tries to attack Biden with the stenuff the left attacks him with it will backfire, because Trump has proven he is the enemy of the black community. The country was stable by comparison during Obama so the law and order thing is backfiring.

They have almost nothing left to use against Biden. You've got something?
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Biden also needs to hammer Trump on defunding Social Security with the payroll tax cuts the seniors in Florida are very reliable voters whom supports Trump. If Biden can keep Trump on the defense for the next two months Biden will be sitting pretty comes Nov.3rd Biden don't take Trump bait with his fake conspiracies theories that Trump will throw at him over the next two months.


Biden has been holding press conferences every day or every other day, showing up in key locations and making impact statements. People were talking BS about him hiding, but his strategy so far has been pretty flawless. He gave Trump a long leash and Trump obliged by crapping the bed. Every one of Trump's memes are falling flat. The convention did nothing for him and probably did him harm. Biden's convention was a success. Biden has solidified the narrative that he's the one with a plan and leadership ability.

So far, Joe is executing. Trump is executing himself.

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