Trade Talk (Part Four)

[shrink]

But what is stopping the Knicks from just tossing clippers and mavs picks at us and keeping Mitchell. Im thinking with all those future firsts, they can sell to their fan base that they have a good core to add to.

Would you turn down:
2020 CLIP FRP
2021 CLIP FRP
2021 DALLAS FRP
2023 DALLAS FRP
2022 NYC FRP.

The 2020 LAC pick is #27. The 2021 is a pick swap, and that’s top 4 protected. With Doncic doing this well, this young, it’s hard to see the DAL picks better than in the 20’s, and the 2023 pick is top 10 protected anyway. It’s not that these picks have no value, but most have limited upside, and how many rotation/bench players does one team need?

The 2022 NY pick has value. But like I said, if they wanted to pull Mitchell and Barrett and still get the #1 overall pick, they’d need to be talking about their own pick, either lightly or unprotected. I just said 2021, which would be worth more.

The other thing ai should mention is that those picks just aren’t as valuable to MIN or GSW specifically. MIN wants to work on KAT’s timeline, and a rookie in 2022 that needs training isn’t perfect. GSW would like a young center that can help them win now. If NYK insisted on keeping Mitchell, they’d probably need to add a fourth team to use those picks to come up with a similar fit to Mitchell. Mitchell is a good player, but he doesn’t fit everywhere - he would fit in GSW, in my opinion.

[zimpy27]

Minny gives: Pick 1, JJ, Evans

Indy gives: Oladipo, 2022 FRP (lottery-protected)

DLo, Dipo, Okogie, Layman, KAT
McL, Beasley, Culver, Juancho, Naz

[shrink]

Minny gives: Pick 1, JJ, Evans

Indy gives: Oladipo, 2022 FRP (lottery-protected)

DLo, Dipo, Okogie, Layman, KAT
McL, Beasley, Culver, Juancho, Naz

To me, this isn’t even close.

MIN can’t afford to give up the #1 pick and have him walk next year, right? Unfortunately, MIN can’t afford to lock in an expensive extension for multiple years to a guy that may never fully recover from injuries and be a star again.

[zimpy27]

Minny gives: Pick 1, JJ, Evans

Indy gives: Oladipo, 2022 FRP (lottery-protected)

DLo, Dipo, Okogie, Layman, KAT
McL, Beasley, Culver, Juancho, Naz

To me, this isn’t even close.

MIN can’t afford to give up the #1 pick and have him walk next year, right? Unfortunately, MIN can’t afford to lock in an expensive extension for multiple years to a guy that may never fully recover from injuries and be a star again.

True, I forgot he can walk away next season. He just seems like the right fit for DLo.

Maybe Beal would be a better target?

[shrink]

Minny gives: Pick 1, JJ, Evans

Indy gives: Oladipo, 2022 FRP (lottery-protected)

DLo, Dipo, Okogie, Layman, KAT
McL, Beasley, Culver, Juancho, Naz

To me, this isn’t even close.

MIN can’t afford to give up the #1 pick and have him walk next year, right? Unfortunately, MIN can’t afford to lock in an expensive extension for multiple years to a guy that may never fully recover from injuries and be a star again.

True, I forgot he can walk away next season. He just seems like the right fit for DLo.

I agree, the concept of a healthy Oladipo would be a fantastic fit here. Just can’t gamble the #1 pick on that slim chance he’d stay.

[zimpy27]

To me, this isn’t even close.

MIN can’t afford to give up the #1 pick and have him walk next year, right? Unfortunately, MIN can’t afford to lock in an expensive extension for multiple years to a guy that may never fully recover from injuries and be a star again.

True, I forgot he can walk away next season. He just seems like the right fit for DLo.

I agree, the concept of a healthy Oladipo would be a fantastic fit here. Just can’t gamble the #1 pick on that slim chance he’d stay.

Is something like this closer?

Minny gives: JJ, Culver, Evans, pick 1

Washington gives: Beal and Bonga

DLo, Beal, Okogie, Layman, KAT
McL, Beasley, Bonga, Juancho, Naz

[shrink]

True, I forgot he can walk away next season. He just seems like the right fit for DLo.

I agree, the concept of a healthy Oladipo would be a fantastic fit here. Just can’t gamble the #1 pick on that slim chance he’d stay.

Is something like this closer?

Minny gives: JJ, Culver, Evans, pick 1

Washington gives: Beal and Bonga

DLo, Beal, Okogie, Layman, KAT
McL, Beasley, Bonga, Juancho, Naz

I like Beal a lot more, with two guaranteed years. I think we do need to add at least a 2023 unprotected pick (Or conveys two years after the one to GSW conveys). Nice fit,

[old school 34]

But what is stopping the Knicks from just tossing clippers and mavs picks at us and keeping Mitchell. Im thinking with all those future firsts, they can sell to their fan base that they have a good core to add to.

Would you turn down:
2020 CLIP FRP
2021 CLIP FRP
2021 DALLAS FRP
2023 DALLAS FRP
2022 NYC FRP.

The 2020 LAC pick is #27. The 2021 is a pick swap, and that’s top 4 protected. With Doncic doing this well, this young, it’s hard to see the DAL picks better than in the 20’s, and the 2023 pick is top 10 protected anyway. It’s not that these picks have no value, but most have limited upside, and how many rotation/bench players does one team need?

The 2022 NY pick has value. But like I said, if they wanted to pull Mitchell and Barrett and still get the #1 overall pick, they’d need to be talking about their own pick, either lightly or unprotected. I just said 2021, which would be worth more.

The other thing ai should mention is that those picks just aren’t as valuable to MIN or GSW specifically. MIN wants to work on KAT’s timeline, and a rookie in 2022 that needs training isn’t perfect. GSW would like a young center that can help them win now. If NYK insisted on keeping Mitchell, they’d probably need to add a fourth team to use those picks to come up with a similar fit to Mitchell. Mitchell is a good player, but he doesn’t fit everywhere - he would fit in GSW, in my opinion.

The only value that the future draft picks have other than the Knicks picks...are for us or GSW in a larger 2nd trade?

If something like what I proposed what could GSW turn JJ's expiring, Mitchell maybe, our future 1st & any others gained into for their last run?

Would NY attempt to keep Mitchell...of course....but to Shrink's point that can't expect to get 1 or 2 for that matter without giving up at least 1 of their 3 most prized parts & for them that's Mitchell, Barrett, and their own future 1st.....it starts with 8, Dal pick, and then they choose...but it has to be 1 of those 3 or imo...they're just being delusional?

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[old school 34]

But what is stopping the Knicks from just tossing clippers and mavs picks at us and keeping Mitchell. Im thinking with all those future firsts, they can sell to their fan base that they have a good core to add to.

Would you turn down:
2020 CLIP FRP
2021 CLIP FRP
2021 DALLAS FRP
2023 DALLAS FRP
2022 NYC FRP.

The 2020 LAC pick is #27. The 2021 is a pick swap, and that’s top 4 protected. With Doncic doing this well, this young, it’s hard to see the DAL picks better than in the 20’s, and the 2023 pick is top 10 protected anyway. It’s not that these picks have no value, but most have limited upside, and how many rotation/bench players does one team need?

The 2022 NY pick has value. But like I said, if they wanted to pull Mitchell and Barrett and still get the #1 overall pick, they’d need to be talking about their own pick, either lightly or unprotected. I just said 2021, which would be worth more.

The other thing ai should mention is that those picks just aren’t as valuable to MIN or GSW specifically. MIN wants to work on KAT’s timeline, and a rookie in 2022 that needs training isn’t perfect. GSW would like a young center that can help them win now. If NYK insisted on keeping Mitchell, they’d probably need to add a fourth team to use those picks to come up with a similar fit to Mitchell. Mitchell is a good player, but he doesn’t fit everywhere - he would fit in GSW, in my opinion.

The only value that the future draft picks have other than the Knicks picks...are for us or GSW in a larger 2nd trade?

If something like what I proposed what could GSW turn JJ's expiring, Mitchell maybe, our future 1st & any others gained into for their last run?

Would NY attempt to keep Mitchell...of course....but to Shrink's point that can't expect to get 1 or 2 for that matter without giving up at least 1 of their 3 most prized parts & for them that's Mitchell, Barrett, and their own future 1st.....it starts with 8, Dal pick, and then they choose...but it has to be 1 of those 3 or imo...they're just being delusional?

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And some may argue that no one in this draft is worth that...maybe?

But can the new management in NY go with no positive buzz for another draft & potentially get skunked in 2021 FA...they'd be out before they even started? At least Ball creates some real buzz for them to milk & from the FA side...he probably takes less shots away from who they're targeting?

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[KGdaBom]

Mitchell is very good and honestly we shouldn't be helping the Warriros atain him. It's a terrible deal for IKnicks. Might as well just trade Towns to Warriors. Because this team will never have a chance during his career if we keep feeding them.

Wolves aren’t feeding them, they could do a 2 for Mitchell trade on their own if they wanted.

Right. The reason they’d want to do the deal now is to guarantee we don’t take Ball at #1 (to keep or trade), and maybe to lock him up in case he really shines in his workouts leading up to the draft. If they wait until draft night, they may lose him. If we wait until draft night, and pick someone other than Ball (to keep or trade), we are suddenly expendable and wasted getting trade value for the leverage of picking first.

These trades are almost never done before draft night. You do a good job making the case for making the trade now. I think trading early is not a bad idea at all.

[KGdaBom]

But what is stopping the Knicks from just tossing clippers and mavs picks at us and keeping Mitchell. Im thinking with all those future firsts, they can sell to their fan base that they have a good core to add to.

Would you turn down:
2020 CLIP FRP
2021 CLIP FRP
2021 DALLAS FRP
2023 DALLAS FRP
2022 NYC FRP.

The 2020 LAC pick is #27. The 2021 is a pick swap, and that’s top 4 protected. With Doncic doing this well, this young, it’s hard to see the DAL picks better than in the 20’s, and the 2023 pick is top 10 protected anyway. It’s not that these picks have no value, but most have limited upside, and how many rotation/bench players does one team need?

The 2022 NY pick has value. But like I said, if they wanted to pull Mitchell and Barrett and still get the #1 overall pick, they’d need to be talking about their own pick, either lightly or unprotected. I just said 2021, which would be worth more.

The other thing ai should mention is that those picks just aren’t as valuable to MIN or GSW specifically. MIN wants to work on KAT’s timeline, and a rookie in 2022 that needs training isn’t perfect. GSW would like a young center that can help them win now. If NYK insisted on keeping Mitchell, they’d probably need to add a fourth team to use those picks to come up with a similar fit to Mitchell. Mitchell is a good player, but he doesn’t fit everywhere - he would fit in GSW, in my opinion.

Yeah to trade down from 1-8 even in this supposed crap draft requires some serious assets back. Not late FRPs. Not even a handful of them. If we trade from 1-8 we are getting next years Knicks #1 and it better be unprotected. None of this lightly protected sheet.

[KGdaBom]

Minny gives: Pick 1, JJ, Evans

Indy gives: Oladipo, 2022 FRP (lottery-protected)

DLo, Dipo, Okogie, Layman, KAT
McL, Beasley, Culver, Juancho, Naz

You're out of your mind. We don't give up #1 overall for a one year rental of Dipo and a lottery protected first.

[zimpy27]

Minny gives: Pick 1, JJ, Evans

Indy gives: Oladipo, 2022 FRP (lottery-protected)

DLo, Dipo, Okogie, Layman, KAT
McL, Beasley, Culver, Juancho, Naz

You're out of your mind. We don't give up #1 overall for a one year rental of Dipo and a lottery protected first.

You didn't read the rest of the thread, did you?

[KGdaBom]

Minny gives: Pick 1, JJ, Evans

Indy gives: Oladipo, 2022 FRP (lottery-protected)

DLo, Dipo, Okogie, Layman, KAT
McL, Beasley, Culver, Juancho, Naz

You're out of your mind. We don't give up #1 overall for a one year rental of Dipo and a lottery protected first.

You didn't read the rest of the thread, did you?

I replied to the post when I saw it. Yes after reading the rest of the thread you just didn't realize the UFA situataioin.

[rulas95]

What about Middleton? I think that he would have a very good fit here, and if the Bucks thinks that Anteto are not going to sign again, its possible that they trade the stars.

[theGreatRC]

What about Middleton? I think that he would have a very good fit here, and if the Bucks thinks that Anteto are not going to sign again, its possible that they trade the stars.

Rather throw whatever we can at Giannis.

#1 + #17 + anyone else not named KAT/DLO (Because chamionship aspirations only work if we have all 3 of them here)

It would never happen, but yeah..

[IceManBK1]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/09/04/nba-rumors-bulls-could-trade-zach-lavine-and-lauri-markkanen-to-timberwolves-for-top-pick/

I'll take lavine+markkanen+4th pick for #1, JJ, Culver. Maybe i'll take Thaddeus Young from the Bulls too.
Dlo/J-mac
Lavine/Okogie
Young/layman
Markkanen(Oneyeka with the 4th pick)
Towns/Reid

[shangrila]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/09/04/nba-rumors-bulls-could-trade-zach-lavine-and-lauri-markkanen-to-timberwolves-for-top-pick/

I'll take lavine+markkanen+4th pick for #1, JJ, Culver. Maybe i'll take Thaddeus Young from the Bulls too.
Dlo/J-mac
Lavine/Okogie
Young/layman
Markkanen(Oneyeka with the 4th pick)
Towns/Reid

Doesn't include the 4th. So, hell no.

I keep seeing people post these articles that link back to Zach Buckley from BR like he's some reputable source and not just literally vomiting out whatever insane ideas pop into his head in order to get clicks. I guess it's working though. The amount of "reacting to BR's latest article" videos I've seen on youtube are growing by the day so despite the fact everyone savages this dude's opinions, he's getting attention.

[IceManBK1]

https://fadeawayworld.net/2020/09/04/nba-rumors-bulls-could-trade-zach-lavine-and-lauri-markkanen-to-timberwolves-for-top-pick/

I'll take lavine+markkanen+4th pick for #1, JJ, Culver. Maybe i'll take Thaddeus Young from the Bulls too.
Dlo/J-mac
Lavine/Okogie
Young/layman
Markkanen(Oneyeka with the 4th pick)
Towns/Reid

Doesn't include the 4th. So, hell no.

I keep seeing people post these articles that link back to Zach Buckley from BR like he's some reputable source and not just literally vomiting out whatever insane ideas pop into his head in order to get clicks. I guess it's working though. The amount of "reacting to BR's latest article" videos I've seen on youtube are growing by the day so despite the fact everyone savages this dude's opinions, he's getting attention.

It'd be a good trade if they include the 4th pick..maybe we give them a couple 2nd rounders to make the trade more fair lol.

[shangrila]

But what is stopping the Knicks from just tossing clippers and mavs picks at us and keeping Mitchell. Im thinking with all those future firsts, they can sell to their fan base that they have a good core to add to.

Would you turn down:
2020 CLIP FRP
2021 CLIP FRP
2021 DALLAS FRP
2023 DALLAS FRP
2022 NYC FRP.

The 2020 LAC pick is #27. The 2021 is a pick swap, and that’s top 4 protected. With Doncic doing this well, this young, it’s hard to see the DAL picks better than in the 20’s, and the 2023 pick is top 10 protected anyway. It’s not that these picks have no value, but most have limited upside, and how many rotation/bench players does one team need?

The 2022 NY pick has value. But like I said, if they wanted to pull Mitchell and Barrett and still get the #1 overall pick, they’d need to be talking about their own pick, either lightly or unprotected. I just said 2021, which would be worth more.

The other thing ai should mention is that those picks just aren’t as valuable to MIN or GSW specifically. MIN wants to work on KAT’s timeline, and a rookie in 2022 that needs training isn’t perfect. GSW would like a young center that can help them win now. If NYK insisted on keeping Mitchell, they’d probably need to add a fourth team to use those picks to come up with a similar fit to Mitchell. Mitchell is a good player, but he doesn’t fit everywhere - he would fit in GSW, in my opinion.

That's a ton of draft capital though. If you swap out that '22 Knicks pick for even a protected one next year...I don't know, I'd be tempted. Dallas is a Luka ankle turn away from being a lottery team and having more 1sts is better than not. I mean, we just turned one into Beasley and Hernangomez so even later ones can have real value.