2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th!

[MrFortune3]

His standout trait is his IQ on both sides. It’s elite for his age.

I’d understand if you said his athleticism is average but his physical profile based on his skills is def not average. How many guys his size handle, pass, and lead the break?

Exactly. You are talking about a 19 year old who is likely to end up as a 6-10 playmaking point forward who will be a good or better two way player.

Yep.

He's also perfect for what we need. A SF, a two player, a playmaker, someone who should mesh well with Zach and Coby.

[Rose2Boozer]

My biggest problem with Deni is that the kid is so one hand dominant. I looked at his tape and got pretty excited, but always forgiving him for his limited left. NBA level coaching isn't going to be all that forgiving. Deni looks like a kid who will be game planned right back to the Euro-League. I like his vision and feel for the game, but I can't see him having a whole lot of success as a NBA level small forward with such a glaring weakness. The idea of Deni Avdija is amazing though.

[Rose2Boozer]

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[TheSuzerain]

Drafting a guy from the Israeli league based on IQ/Instincts seems sketchy as **** to me.

I think Deni is a solid prospect but I really don't see the high upside.

He feels like the "draft for need" pick.

I also think the descriptions of him as a 2-way player are questionable. He's about to be in some deep water trying to defend guys off the dribble.

Give me Onyewu or Hali. Both have better physical profiles to build upon.

[Jcool0]

Drafting a guy from the Israeli league based on IQ/Instincts seems sketchy as **** to me.

I think Deni is a solid prospect but I really don't see the high upside.

He feels like the "draft for need" pick.

I also think the descriptions of him as a 2-way player are questionable. He's about to be in some deep water trying to defend guys off the dribble.

Give me Onyewu or Hali. Both have better physical profiles to build upon.

Onyewu is Taj Gibson. You dont take Taj Gibson at #4.

[Chi town]

Exactly. You are talking about a 19 year old who is likely to end up as a 6-10 playmaking point forward who will be a good or better two way player.

Yep.

He's also perfect for what we need. A SF, a two player, a playmaker, someone who should mesh well with Zach and Coby.

Which can be blinding as our biggest need.

I still think outside of Edwards he’s greatest talent if he pans out and I trust his work ethic and IQ to be better than his midway projection.

[Chi town]

Drafting a guy from the Israeli league based on IQ/Instincts seems sketchy as **** to me.

I think Deni is a solid prospect but I really don't see the high upside.

He feels like the "draft for need" pick.

I also think the descriptions of him as a 2-way player are questionable. He's about to be in some deep water trying to defend guys off the dribble.

Give me Onyewu or Hali. Both have better physical profiles to build upon.

Onyewu is Taj Gibson. You dont take Taj Gibson at #4.

That’s where I don’t get it. Physics profiles for those guys don’t fit the new nba blueprint. Hali is skinny as a rail. Not a good profile at all. I could understand if you said skill package etc. No way on physical profile.

As for Okungwu... he’s John Collins. Explosive but too big to defend wings or get by them with the dribble. Look at Siakam... he’s too tall and can’t get past wings.

NBA defenses have gotten so much better and complex. So much switching. Guys that can’t create off the dribble and or switch to guard wings... just not that valuable.

[Chi town]

My biggest problem with Deni is that the kid is so one hand dominant. I looked at his tape and got pretty excited, but always forgiving him for his limited left. NBA level coaching isn't going to be all that forgiving. Deni looks like a kid who will be game planned right back to the Euro-League. I like his vision and feel for the game, but I can't see him having a whole lot of success as a NBA level small forward with such a glaring weakness. The idea of Deni Avdija is amazing though.

If Deni doesn’t make it it won’t be because of his left hand.

When was the last time you saw a player not make it due to being one hand dominant?

[TheSuzerain]

Drafting a guy from the Israeli league based on IQ/Instincts seems sketchy as **** to me.

I think Deni is a solid prospect but I really don't see the high upside.

He feels like the "draft for need" pick.

I also think the descriptions of him as a 2-way player are questionable. He's about to be in some deep water trying to defend guys off the dribble.

Give me Onyewu or Hali. Both have better physical profiles to build upon.

Onyewu is Taj Gibson. You dont take Taj Gibson at #4.

Onyewu is a center back. Doesn't even play basketball.

[MrFortune3]

Yep.

He's also perfect for what we need. A SF, a two player, a playmaker, someone who should mesh well with Zach and Coby.

Which can be blinding as our biggest need.

I still think outside of Edwards he’s greatest talent if he pans out and I trust his work ethic and IQ to be better than his midway projection.

I only mention him being a SF in the context that his skills and his position are exactly what we need.

[Chi town]

He's also perfect for what we need. A SF, a two player, a playmaker, someone who should mesh well with Zach and Coby.

Which can be blinding as our biggest need.

I still think outside of Edwards he’s greatest talent if he pans out and I trust his work ethic and IQ to be better than his midway projection.

I only mention him being a SF in the context that his skills and his position are exactly what we need.

And I’d say the most important skills, position, and player profile to build around.

[drosereturn]

Drafting a guy from the Israeli league based on IQ/Instincts seems sketchy as **** to me.

I think Deni is a solid prospect but I really don't see the high upside.

He feels like the "draft for need" pick.

I also think the descriptions of him as a 2-way player are questionable. He's about to be in some deep water trying to defend guys off the dribble.

Give me Onyewu or Hali. Both have better physical profiles to build upon.

Onyewu is Taj Gibson. You dont take Taj Gibson at #4.

His floor is Taj. thats freaking insane for a horrible draft. Deni has huge red flags bc he cannot shoot even to the degree of Doncic.
Hes basically a homeless mans Doncic.

[Jcool0]

Drafting a guy from the Israeli league based on IQ/Instincts seems sketchy as **** to me.

I think Deni is a solid prospect but I really don't see the high upside.

He feels like the "draft for need" pick.

I also think the descriptions of him as a 2-way player are questionable. He's about to be in some deep water trying to defend guys off the dribble.

Give me Onyewu or Hali. Both have better physical profiles to build upon.

Onyewu is Taj Gibson. You dont take Taj Gibson at #4.

Onyewu is a center back. Doesn't even play basketball.

Okongwu. I assumed you knew how to spell his name. I was apparently mistaken.

[TheSuzerain]

Drafting a guy from the Israeli league based on IQ/Instincts seems sketchy as **** to me.

I think Deni is a solid prospect but I really don't see the high upside.

He feels like the "draft for need" pick.

I also think the descriptions of him as a 2-way player are questionable. He's about to be in some deep water trying to defend guys off the dribble.

Give me Onyewu or Hali. Both have better physical profiles to build upon.

Onyewu is Taj Gibson. You dont take Taj Gibson at #4.

That’s where I don’t get it. Physics profiles for those guys don’t fit the new nba blueprint. Hali is skinny as a rail. Not a good profile at all. I could understand if you said skill package etc. No way on physical profile.

As for Okungwu... he’s John Collins. Explosive but too big to defend wings or get by them with the dribble. Look at Siakam... he’s too tall and can’t get past wings.

NBA defenses have gotten so much better and complex. So much switching. Guys that can’t create off the dribble and or switch to guard wings... just not that valuable.

Hali gets dinged for his frame but his wingspan might be elite in the NBA (+6 or 7 inches). He's a better 1 or 2 guard physically than Deni is a 3/4.

Okongwu to me has the best physical profile in the draft along with Edwards and Okoro. And he's a better player right now than both with probably the best supposed intangibles and motor. I think he very much fits the current NBA blueprint. Odd to use Siakam as a counter example. We're a year removed from Siakam being the #2 on a title team.

I'd love it if there was a true wing in this draft with creation talent, shooting potential, and a plus physical profile. Those are the most valuable prospects around! But there's not even one at #1 overall let alone #4.

[PaKii94]

What seperates deni the prospect from saric the prospect?
Reading his profile it looks eerily similar to deni. Replace saric with deni and tell me it doesn't fit?

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dario-saric/

[MrSparkle]

What seperates deni the prospect from saric the prospect?
Reading his profile it looks eerily similar to deni. Replace saric with deni and tell me it doesn't fit?

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dario-saric/

Really similar but Deni absolutely/definitely has quicker feet, especially in transition.

I think he's got SF and defensive potential, which are Saric's downfall. He's pretty much a 1-position guy who's a defensive liability.

[PlayerUp]

We're now 85 pages in on this thread and nobody is on the same page on who we should draft.

Why trading down to make a couple moves to land 2 picks instead of 1 makes alot of sense. Target higher risk, higher gem prospects and hope we strike gold with one of our picks.

[Jcool0]

What seperates deni the prospect from saric the prospect?
Reading his profile it looks eerily similar to deni. Replace saric with deni and tell me it doesn't fit?

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dario-saric/

He just finished the last 13 games of the season shooting 58% from the field and 55% from three while scoring 15.8 points & 7.5 rebounds. Would you not be happy with that?

[PaKii94]

What seperates deni the prospect from saric the prospect?
Reading his profile it looks eerily similar to deni. Replace saric with deni and tell me it doesn't fit?

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/dario-saric/

He just finished the last 13 games of the season shooting 58% from the field and 55% from three while scoring 15.8 points & 7.5 rebounds. Would you not be happy with that?

I don't fall for the "what have you done lately" hype. Him excelling for the last 13 games is definitely a positive and not a negative but I'm not going to use 13 games to justify the rest

he's still #3 on my board. Don't wanna hate on the dude. He seems solid (thought the same of saric) but I don't see the game changer aspect from him. I think if you go with him looking for a star you'd be dissapointed but I can see him being a winning role player.

My approach to the draft is you want to find a player without any glaring deficiencies AND a game changing attribute. Deni fits the first part. Not so much the second.

I'm still on vassell or bust train. Ideally bulls trade down and snag vassell + one of Hali / neasmith

[VolumePoster]

We're now 85 pages in on this thread and nobody is on the same page on who we should draft.

Why trading down to make a couple moves to land 2 picks instead of 1 makes alot of sense. Target higher risk, higher gem prospects and hope we strike gold with one of our picks.

I just would love for Ball to fall to us. I’m not a fan but think someone, probably Nyk, will be. If we all out of this weak draft with assets and one of Vassel/Hali/Nesmith I would be pretty pleased.