HarthorneWingo wrote:Pointgod wrote:Oscirus wrote:He has plenty of stuff pre obama to go in on Biden with. I doubt he'll do it coherently, but there are definitely things to go after
The problem still remains that Trump is President and he’s running on a record. He can point to all of the stuff in Bidens past but that doesn’t really matter because Biden is not running as the past Biden. He’s running as the 2020 Biden on the most Progressive platform. And any direct comparison of Biden to Trump, Trump loses. Remember this past week was the law and order message which has mixed results, but now Trump has changed the conversation to himself with the comments about the military and it’s unilaterally bad for Trump.
But you're a sophisticated voter. Most people aren't. They're going to catch the headline and the post-mortems or they'll listen to what Fox News says about it. They're very good at creating their own reality even if it's not supported by the facts.
We know that Wingo, that's why we don't say these things from our vantage point. We're talking about what works and doesn't work. Which is why you can't get the proper perspective either by saying the talking points you would use are the same that will be effective against Biden.
Trump has made everything about him. This was maybe his strength in 2016 because enough "suckers" bought his schtick. But in 2020 his vanity means everything is still about him and not in a good way. Biden smartly ceded that ground to Trump long enough for it to cement the narrative heading into November.
Now it is too late for Trump to suddenly change tack. If Trump couldn't figure out how to do that the past four months, it is not going to happen the next two months. As a result, any chance Trump had to examine Biden's record and make that the narrative has past.
Let's not forget, Trump was impeached for trying to impugn Biden. That's not the lead item anymore, but it is still huge and that failure left Trump holding an empty bag trying to figure out how to counter Biden. His answer was pretending he didn't completely chit the bed re: covid and launching fascist invasions of American cities and crying Law and Order. Targeting Biden's record is now a lost opportunity whether it would have worked or not.
Now that Trump has cemented the narrative in a way that boxes himself into a corner, Biden has come out of his rope-a-dope posture and it's the 8th round in Kinshasha, Zaire. He's counter-punching and landing while Trump swings wildly and misses.
The media is now picking up Biden and covering his crisp briefings and appearances at Carnegie Mellon and Kenosha as they simultaneously report on Trump's disdain for the troops.
Biden let Trump set the narrative, because that makes it about Trump's record, not Biden's. Now he's chopping him down.
The effigy of Trump has frozen itself in the public's mind. Biden is not bound to his past like Trump is to his one disastrous term which allows Biden to provide a vivid contrast of leadership and coherence.
There might be a few hundred thousand people in America who will rage about Biden's vote on prison legislation in the 90's, but the rest of the population doesn't give a flying donut about that.
Because of the way Trump has fanned the flames, almost every issue is now getting reduced to whom people think will bring their version of stability and right now Trump is losing that perception big time. Whether it is the matter of chaos, police reform or the future of social security, at present there is not a single issue Trump can convince a majority with that he'll be the more stable genius of the two men.
And Trump's obsession with destroying Obama era legislation also makes it hard for Trump to shine a light on anything preceding the Obama era starting in 2008.
You said most of the public is not as sophisticated. You can also add to that they don't have a useful memory going back more than 12 years to use against Biden. And if they did, Obama succeeded a failing presidency in Bush Jr. so the idea that the viable use of political memory going back to the 1990s is just not going to happen.
They'll try to dig up some crap about Biden, but it will fail, because they made their own bed and they now have to lay in it.
But we knew all this about Trump in '16. It didn't make any difference because people are fed up with establishment politicians.