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Post#2341 » by Mark_83 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 1:54 am

Gasol is washed. Get us Tillman and Diakite. Look for a shot creator in free agency.
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Post#2342 » by nabbs » Fri Sep 4, 2020 2:06 am

Yeah if Gasol is gone then Tillman has to be the pick and you use the MLE to sign a starting centre. I dont want Gasol (unless he takes the vet min) or Serge back
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Post#2343 » by WeTheNorth123 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 2:08 am

Gasol is DONEEEE!!!!!!!!

he cant hit a open shot to save his life...no threat.

cant rebound..slow as hell...not athletic

He's pretty smart defensively but thats not gonna get the job done

you gotta replace him and is 25.5 mil contract
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Post#2344 » by Indeed » Fri Sep 4, 2020 2:39 am

Dalek wrote:Wasserman is getting to be my favorite draft writer. Here is an article he posted on sleeper picks:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2905670-2020-nba-drafts-best-kept-secrets

His listed included:
Isaiah Joe (Arkansas, SG, Sophomore)
Naji Marshall (Xavier, SG/SF, Junior)
Nate Hinton (Houston, SG, Sophomore)
Sam Merrill (Utah State, SG, Senior)
Ty-Shon Alexander (Creighton, SG, Junior)

I keep forgetting about Joe because dropped out and then dropped back in, but he is a sleeper first round pick. The guy has great range and skill creating his shot. I think his body is too weak, but he is skilled.

Hinton and Alexander are the two guys I have been talking up a fair bit. Hinton is likely going undrafted, but his team Houston was fairly underrated and I think prepared him for the NBA game. He rebounds like a mad man and his shot is good and he is a big personality defender. He'd be nice at 59 or to get undrafted.

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At 6'5", 210 pounds, Hinton should stand out to NBA teams for his positional size, picturesque shooting stroke and instincts for rebounding and defending.

Hinton is one of 11 college players to finish a season with at least 1.5 threes per game, a 15.0 percent rebounding percentage and a 2.5 percent steal percentage, and five were Draymond Green, Robert Covington, Kenrich Williams, Torrey Craig and Ryan Broekhoff.

Hinton could have a chance to stick in the right non-creator role. He sports one of the smoothest looking jumpers in terms of footwork for shot prep, rising with balance, elevation and wrist snap. He shot 38.7 percent from three and 39.3 percent pulling up, showing distinguishable fluidity releasing off the catch and dribble.

Still, it's his defensive strengths and nose for the ball that separate Hinton, a guard who averaged 8.7 rebounds. Being a good rebounder isn't exactly a needle-mover, but his unique knack for tracking down misses highlights anticipation and reactions that can translate to other areas like jumping passing lanes, swiping ball-handlers and guessing opponents' decisions and moves.


Alexander is still on the bubble for me at 29. It is a bit high but I just like defense and skill.

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Though he was still mostly used off the ball, Creighton put Alexander in more ball-screen situations this season, and he made a legitimate jump with his execution and feel. A 43.3 percent spot-up shooter, he also graded in the 84th percentile as a pick-and-roll ball-handler, making 43.2 percent of his pull-ups while teammates shot 51.0 percent off his passes (74th percentile).

Flashes of isolation scoring (30 points, 27 possessions, 93rd percentile) highlight more development with his creation and contested shot-making. And though not the most explosive athlete for blowing by and finishing in traffic, he's sharp in the open floor, grading in the 86th percentile in transition with leak-out threes and body-controlled, step-through layups.

Alexander also put together some convincing sequences of lockdown defense, including against the nation's leading scorer Markus Howard and Seton Hall flamethrower Myles Powell. Even if the discipline isn't always there, NBA coaches should feel good about his 6'4" size and lateral foot speed working against different types of guards.



Marshall has the skill set that we need, a point forward who can defend. I am not surprised he will be picked higher.
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Post#2345 » by Indeed » Fri Sep 4, 2020 2:40 am

Tillman isn't even anywhere near Gasol. Tillman would be a SF/PF, he is not bigger than Siakam.
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Post#2346 » by casual_raps_fan » Fri Sep 4, 2020 4:46 am

We shouldn't select Tillman because 'Gasol is washed'. You draft based on who will be the best player for your franchise. Something we have to take into account is that center is the cheapest position to fill. Even if we let go Gasol and Ibaka, we have so many cheap free agent or trade options. It may be more optimal to use our draft pick to select a player with a higher offensive ceiling.

Even if we draft Tillman or another big, we can't bank on him being able to crack the rotation immediately. You'd still have to get 2 centers regardless of whether we draft a big or not.

Also Gasol is fine. He has obviously regressed scoring the ball and his mobility looks worse but he's still a solid player. He will go to a team with a reduced role on a smaller contract. Whether that will be with the Raptors is another question.
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Post#2347 » by casual_raps_fan » Fri Sep 4, 2020 5:45 am

https://nbadraft.theringer.com

Not sure if posted but I noticed The Ringer updated their mock draft again.

Players available at our pick would include...
-Tyler Bey
-Devon Dotson
-Paul Reed
-Leandro Bolmaro
-Xavier Tillman
-Grant Riller
-Killian Tillie
-Isiah Joe
-Ty-shon Alexander
-Jahmius Ramsey
-Tre Jones
-Daniel Oturu

Not the most inspiring list. lol

Not saying I want to draft him with our first round pick but I'm gaining interest in Killian Tillie. His game would fit very nicely with our team. 6'10 bullseye shooter and plays a team oriented game.
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Post#2348 » by Syd-TK3 » Fri Sep 4, 2020 7:10 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:https://nbadraft.theringer.com

Not sure if posted but I noticed The Ringer updated their mock draft again.

Players available at our pick would include...
-Tyler Bey
-Devon Dotson
-Paul Reed
-Leandro Bolmaro
-Xavier Tillman
-Grant Riller
-Killian Tillie
-Isaiah Joe
-Ty-shon Alexander
-Jahmius Ramsey
-Tre Jones
-Daniel Oturu

Not the most inspiring list. lol

Not saying I want to draft him with our first round pick but I'm gaining interest in Killian Tillie. His game would fit very nicely with our team. 6'10 bullseye shooter and plays a team oriented game.

I'd absolutely lose it if the Lakers took Theo right before us
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Post#2349 » by Indeed » Sat Sep 5, 2020 1:43 am

casual_raps_fan wrote:We shouldn't select Tillman because 'Gasol is washed'. You draft based on who will be the best player for your franchise. Something we have to take into account is that center is the cheapest position to fill. Even if we let go Gasol and Ibaka, we have so many cheap free agent or trade options. It may be more optimal to use our draft pick to select a player with a higher offensive ceiling.

Even if we draft Tillman or another big, we can't bank on him being able to crack the rotation immediately. You'd still have to get 2 centers regardless of whether we draft a big or not.

Also Gasol is fine. He has obviously regressed scoring the ball and his mobility looks worse but he's still a solid player. He will go to a team with a reduced role on a smaller contract. Whether that will be with the Raptors is another question.


Gasol scoring touch around the rim is still pretty good, it just the modern NBA has most of the C playing on the perimeter.
I think we will fill our bigs from the FA, while we are probably drafting for potential with our development team.
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Post#2350 » by OGLife » Sat Sep 5, 2020 6:53 am

Anyone think we should draft Tyrell Terry to take over PG duties in 2-3 years?

Maybe use Fred as a trade bait for a bigger deal?

Terry / Lowry
? / Davis
OG / Norm / Watson
Siakam / ?
? / ? / Hernandez

Add a Giannis and a trade which would secure us a all star at the 2. I would even add Norm if we can land someone. Thompson?
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Post#2351 » by Red_Claw » Sat Sep 5, 2020 12:30 pm

I want Daniel Oturu if he drops or if he's close. He has all the qualities to be a future Serge replacement.
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Post#2352 » by Troubadour » Sat Sep 5, 2020 4:38 pm

OGLife wrote:Anyone think we should draft Tyrell Terry to take over PG duties in 2-3 years?

Maybe use Fred as a trade bait for a bigger deal?

Terry / Lowry
? / Davis
OG / Norm / Watson
Siakam / ?
? / ? / Hernandez

Add a Giannis and a trade which would secure us a all star at the 2. I would even add Norm if we can land someone. Thompson?


Fred's contract is expired after the season, so you can't trade him unless it's a sign and trade.

Also, I'd rather not trade Fred.
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Post#2353 » by Indeed » Sat Sep 5, 2020 5:26 pm

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OGLife wrote:Anyone think we should draft Tyrell Terry to take over PG duties in 2-3 years?

Maybe use Fred as a trade bait for a bigger deal?

Terry / Lowry
? / Davis
OG / Norm / Watson
Siakam / ?
? / ? / Hernandez

Add a Giannis and a trade which would secure us a all star at the 2. I would even add Norm if we can land someone. Thompson?


Fred's contract is expired after the season, so you can't trade him unless it's a sign and trade.

Also, I'd rather not trade Fred.


And I am unsure how Terry is starting over Davis.
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Post#2354 » by Troubadour » Sat Sep 5, 2020 5:35 pm

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Troubadour wrote:
OGLife wrote:Anyone think we should draft Tyrell Terry to take over PG duties in 2-3 years?

Maybe use Fred as a trade bait for a bigger deal?

Terry / Lowry
? / Davis
OG / Norm / Watson
Siakam / ?
? / ? / Hernandez

Add a Giannis and a trade which would secure us a all star at the 2. I would even add Norm if we can land someone. Thompson?


Fred's contract is expired after the season, so you can't trade him unless it's a sign and trade.

Also, I'd rather not trade Fred.


And I am unsure how Terry is starting over Davis.


Not to mention Lowry coming off the bench. I know he's getting older, but he's playing his best basketball at 34.
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Post#2355 » by JShuttlesworth » Sat Sep 5, 2020 5:59 pm

My list is as follows:

Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Devon Dotson
Xavier Tillman
Robert Woodard II
Daniel Oturu
Ty-Shon Alexander
Elijah Hughes
Mamadi Diakite
Isaiah Joe

That list is in no particular order. If we ended up with two players on that list I wouldn't be mad about it. I think that both Maledon and Bolmaro will be taken before our first pick, but I think a bunch of those players could be available with either the 29th or 59th pick.

All those players excite me for different reasons, I think each could bring something to our team that we could use. You've got to remember that no ones perfect, each of those players have positives and negatives about their game. You've got to try to put them in a spot where they can use their strengths and develop their weakness on the 905.

If everyone was taken and we ended up with Diakite at #59 I would be pretty happy.
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Post#2356 » by Mark_83 » Sat Sep 5, 2020 6:15 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:My list is as follows:

Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Devon Dotson
Xavier Tillman
Robert Woodard II
Daniel Oturu
Ty-Shon Alexander
Elijah Hughes
Mamadi Diakite
Isaiah Joe

That list is in no particular order. If we ended up with two players on that list I wouldn't be mad about it. I think that both Maledon and Bolmaro will be taken before our first pick, but I think a bunch of those players could be available with either the 29th or 59th pick.

All those players excite me for different reasons, I think each could bring something to our team that we could use. You've got to remember that no ones perfect, each of those players have positives and negatives about their game. You've got to try to put them in a spot where they can use their strengths and develop their weakness on the 905.

If everyone was taken and we ended up with Diakite at #59 I would be pretty happy.

I'd love Diakite. He's the closest thing in this draft to Ibaka in terms of build, size, and skill set.
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Post#2357 » by Indeed » Sat Sep 5, 2020 6:21 pm

JShuttlesworth wrote:My list is as follows:

Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Devon Dotson
Xavier Tillman
Robert Woodard II
Daniel Oturu
Ty-Shon Alexander
Elijah Hughes
Mamadi Diakite
Isaiah Joe

That list is in no particular order. If we ended up with two players on that list I wouldn't be mad about it. I think that both Maledon and Bolmaro will be taken before our first pick, but I think a bunch of those players could be available with either the 29th or 59th pick.

All those players excite me for different reasons, I think each could bring something to our team that we could use. You've got to remember that no ones perfect, each of those players have positives and negatives about their game. You've got to try to put them in a spot where they can use their strengths and develop their weakness on the 905.

If everyone was taken and we ended up with Diakite at #59 I would be pretty happy.


I think Diakite is interesting, but a 24 years old (in Jan), I am thinking maybe you can have a younger one or project as a starter. Diakite has below standing reach, maybe he can be a backup PF/C like Ibaka. As for 59, I am happier for a higher upside
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Post#2358 » by WeTheNorth123 » Sat Sep 5, 2020 6:32 pm

OGLife wrote:Anyone think we should draft Tyrell Terry to take over PG duties in 2-3 years?

Maybe use Fred as a trade bait for a bigger deal?

Terry / Lowry
? / Davis
OG / Norm / Watson
Siakam / ?
? / ? / Hernandez

Add a Giannis and a trade which would secure us a all star at the 2. I would even add Norm if we can land someone. Thompson?


That dude has alot of potential.....but i think he'll be gone by then unfortunately
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Post#2359 » by Psubs » Sat Sep 5, 2020 6:55 pm

Indeed wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:My list is as follows:

Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Devon Dotson
Xavier Tillman
Robert Woodard II
Daniel Oturu
Ty-Shon Alexander
Elijah Hughes
Mamadi Diakite
Isaiah Joe

That list is in no particular order. If we ended up with two players on that list I wouldn't be mad about it. I think that both Maledon and Bolmaro will be taken before our first pick, but I think a bunch of those players could be available with either the 29th or 59th pick.

All those players excite me for different reasons, I think each could bring something to our team that we could use. You've got to remember that no ones perfect, each of those players have positives and negatives about their game. You've got to try to put them in a spot where they can use their strengths and develop their weakness on the 905.

If everyone was taken and we ended up with Diakite at #59 I would be pretty happy.


I think Diakite is interesting, but a 24 years old (in Jan), I am thinking maybe you can have a younger one or project as a starter. Diakite has below standing reach, maybe he can be a backup PF/C like Ibaka. As for 59, I am happier for a higher upside


Diakite is more like the SF/PF version of Ibaka. Maybe like a Jerami Grant. He's turning 24 so maybe that has him drop to #59. :D
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Post#2360 » by Indeed » Sat Sep 5, 2020 8:54 pm

Psubs wrote:
Indeed wrote:
JShuttlesworth wrote:My list is as follows:

Theo Maledon
Leandro Bolmaro
Devon Dotson
Xavier Tillman
Robert Woodard II
Daniel Oturu
Ty-Shon Alexander
Elijah Hughes
Mamadi Diakite
Isaiah Joe

That list is in no particular order. If we ended up with two players on that list I wouldn't be mad about it. I think that both Maledon and Bolmaro will be taken before our first pick, but I think a bunch of those players could be available with either the 29th or 59th pick.

All those players excite me for different reasons, I think each could bring something to our team that we could use. You've got to remember that no ones perfect, each of those players have positives and negatives about their game. You've got to try to put them in a spot where they can use their strengths and develop their weakness on the 905.

If everyone was taken and we ended up with Diakite at #59 I would be pretty happy.


I think Diakite is interesting, but a 24 years old (in Jan), I am thinking maybe you can have a younger one or project as a starter. Diakite has below standing reach, maybe he can be a backup PF/C like Ibaka. As for 59, I am happier for a higher upside


Diakite is more like the SF/PF version of Ibaka. Maybe like a Jerami Grant. He's turning 24 so maybe that has him drop to #59. :D


I think we played Ibaka at C because he is not effective at PF, then I am not sure Diakite at SF/PF if Diakite can't play C. His measurements are similar to Robert Williams, and better than Isaiah Stewart, I believe, so he could end up like a late 1st round pick.

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