The Ben Simmons Megathread - Part IV

[elchengue20]

Beal is really really good, he has all the tools to score the ball.

He can be the 1st option on a serious offense without a doubt. Being 1B or 1A next to a player like a Embiid would be perfect for him. The fact he averaged 30/6 on good efficency and was able to win some games with abosolutely garbage teamates in Washington was a great achievement.

Also, he's 27, so he's just entering his prime. He's the best player we could reallisticy get this offseason.

I don't think we can get him anymore without trading Simmons or Embiid himself.

That ship has sailed while we were going ALL-IN on stars like Al Horford and Tobias Harris.

Yeah it would cost us one of them. He fits very well with both. I think he's worth it. At this point i rather build a team with Beal and Simmons or Embiid than one with Simmons and Embiid toghether. I still can't decide wich one i prefer to keep tough, Embiid is a better player but i'm not 100% sure the team would be better with him.

[phillynative]

Im watching these playoffs and unless Ben begins to shoot. I just dont see how going with him instead of Biid would give us a better chance at a chip.

[LeonJordanJr24]

I think Bens play style and demeanor is better for this franchise than Embiid. I think Ben is the superior teammate and more effective player when it comes to team success and chemistry. I am pro trading Embiid to warriors for Wiggins , 2nd pick warriors pick, timberwolves 2021 and warriors first top 10 protected.


Embiid has a shorter window, less durable, a black hole on offense and often aches and complains while simultaneously coming up short. If Ben was there instead of Embiid vs Boston it would of Ben way more competitive and would have not only not have been swept but we would of possibly beaten them in 7 games. We beat Boston and Lakers during the season without Embiid . Had a massive winning streak without Embiid. Back to back 50 win seasons with Simmons at point guard. Had great chemistry in 2018 with Jimmy Butler until Dec when Embiid complained to media about his usage then we plummeted until Tobias. Embiid if he stays will destroy this team with his attitude and playstyle alone.

[76ciology]

Im watching these playoffs and unless Ben begins to shoot. I just dont see how going with him instead of Biid would give us a better chance at a chip.

Same sentiment.

I like Ben on transition. I think he’s doing a great job pushing the floor and getting good looks for our guys.

But he just has to be able to space the floor like Jerami Grant on halfcourt.

It’s hard to initiate the offense with two guys inside he paint.

In a perfect world, we can run PnR with Tobi and Biid then have Ben space the floor.

Then we can have a guard (Milton? JRich?) and Ben run PnR with Biid to space the floor.

Personally, I don’t think I’m asking much. I’m not expecting Ben to be like LeBron or Kawhi on halfcourt.

Man, just shoot it like Jerami Grant.

[phillynative]

I think Bens play style and demeanor is better for this franchise than Embiid. I think Ben is the superior teammate and more effective player when it comes to team success and chemistry. I am pro trading Embiid to warriors for Wiggins , 2nd pick warriors pick, timberwolves 2021 and warriors first top 10 protected.


Embiid has a shorter window, less durable, a black hole on offense and often aches and complains while simultaneously coming up short. If Ben was there instead of Embiid vs Boston it would of Ben way more competitive and would have not only not have been swept but we would of possibly beaten them in 7 games. We beat Boston and Lakers during the season without Embiid . Had a massive winning streak without Embiid. Back to back 50 win seasons with Simmons at point guard. Had great chemistry in 2018 with Jimmy Butler until Dec when Embiid complained to media about his usage then we plummeted until Tobias. Embiid if he stays will destroy this team with his attitude and playstyle alone.

You do know playoffs is a different animal than the regular season right?.. Simmons would still be 4-5 on halfcourt offense and teams wont need more than 2 games to adapt to his playing style. No player on this team other than embiid can make teams worry on offense and they could of took the celtics to 7 without him ?LOL

Look how the celtics have locked in on Siakim and the Heat on Giannis and they are far better offensive players than Ben. I just dont see it.

[sixers4real]

I still don't understand why people are taking about trading Embiid or Simmons. It's not happening this offseason. It's not.

[76ciology]

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[76ciology]

I still don't understand why people are taking about trading Embiid or Simmons. It's not happening this offseason. It's not.

Because if we all agree to one another, there’s nothing to talk about.

[kio80]

I still don't understand why people are taking about trading Embiid or Simmons. It's not happening this offseason. It's not.

Because if we all agree to one another, there’s nothing to talk about.

There’s always other things to talk about.
Trading Embiid and Simmons ain’t happening.


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[76ciology]

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Exactly

[skulky]

I think Bens play style and demeanor is better for this franchise than Embiid. I think Ben is the superior teammate and more effective player when it comes to team success and chemistry. I am pro trading Embiid to warriors for Wiggins , 2nd pick warriors pick, timberwolves 2021 and warriors first top 10 protected.


Embiid has a shorter window, less durable, a black hole on offense and often aches and complains while simultaneously coming up short. If Ben was there instead of Embiid vs Boston it would of Ben way more competitive and would have not only not have been swept but we would of possibly beaten them in 7 games. We beat Boston and Lakers during the season without Embiid . Had a massive winning streak without Embiid. Back to back 50 win seasons with Simmons at point guard. Had great chemistry in 2018 with Jimmy Butler until Dec when Embiid complained to media about his usage then we plummeted until Tobias. Embiid if he stays will destroy this team with his attitude and playstyle alone.

I agree with a lot of what you said, I think Ben lead team without Joel beating Boston in a series is a stretch with how good Boston has looked. Even Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo on their podcast talked a little embiid and Simmons during that series and Boston homer Bill Simmons, said there’s no way if it was just Ben that they get swept.

I also think one of the most important things you said was embiid having a shorter window. If we do trade one I think it has to be embiid which does seriously extend our window. I mean Ben is not without fault either, the not shooting and his inconsistent lackadaisical effort as well. Let’s not forget mopey/disengaged Ben in the bubble games before he got hurt. He’s every bit as capable as embiid of that behavior. But if that warrior’s package is on the table of Bradley Beal and 9 (devin Vassell) or a big Chicago package I have to think long and hard about it, because I’m already questioning it. At this point in the nba investing so heavily in an elite post player, who also has never shown up in shape, while his defense has regressed. There’s definitely flags and evidence building. And I think it’s one of the teams most pivotal decisions is how far to ride it.

[Magic beans]

I think Bens play style and demeanor is better for this franchise than Embiid. I think Ben is the superior teammate and more effective player when it comes to team success and chemistry. I am pro trading Embiid to warriors for Wiggins , 2nd pick warriors pick, timberwolves 2021 and warriors first top 10 protected.


Embiid has a shorter window, less durable, a black hole on offense and often aches and complains while simultaneously coming up short. If Ben was there instead of Embiid vs Boston it would of Ben way more competitive and would have not only not have been swept but we would of possibly beaten them in 7 games. We beat Boston and Lakers during the season without Embiid . Had a massive winning streak without Embiid. Back to back 50 win seasons with Simmons at point guard. Had great chemistry in 2018 with Jimmy Butler until Dec when Embiid complained to media about his usage then we plummeted until Tobias. Embiid if he stays will destroy this team with his attitude and playstyle alone.

I agree with a lot of what you said, I think Ben lead team without Joel beating Boston in a series is a stretch with how good Boston has looked. Even Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo on their podcast talked a little embiid and Simmons during that series and Boston homer Bill Simmons, said there’s no way if it was just Ben that they get swept.

I also think one of the most important things you said was embiid having a shorter window. If we do trade one I think it has to be embiid which does seriously extend our window. I mean Ben is not without fault either, the not shooting and his inconsistent lackadaisical effort as well. Let’s not forget mopey/disengaged Ben in the bubble games before he got hurt. He’s every bit as capable as embiid of that behavior. But if that warrior’s package is on the table of Bradley Beal and 9 (devin Vassell) or a big Chicago package I have to think long and hard about it, because I’m already questioning it. At this point in the nba investing so heavily in an elite post player, who also has never shown up in shape, while his defense has regressed. There’s definitely flags and evidence building. And I think it’s one of the teams most pivotal decisions is how far to ride it.

Agree I would keep Ben over Embiid, for some of the reasons you mentioned. For me it’s about getting the best return on any deal involving either. I have not really been interested in a lot of the proposed trades that do not involve the return of Beal or Lavine tbh. You gotta know when to hold em and when to fold them...

[VDT]

I think Bens play style and demeanor is better for this franchise than Embiid. I think Ben is the superior teammate and more effective player when it comes to team success and chemistry. I am pro trading Embiid to warriors for Wiggins , 2nd pick warriors pick, timberwolves 2021 and warriors first top 10 protected.


Embiid has a shorter window, less durable, a black hole on offense and often aches and complains while simultaneously coming up short. If Ben was there instead of Embiid vs Boston it would of Ben way more competitive and would have not only not have been swept but we would of possibly beaten them in 7 games. We beat Boston and Lakers during the season without Embiid . Had a massive winning streak without Embiid. Back to back 50 win seasons with Simmons at point guard. Had great chemistry in 2018 with Jimmy Butler until Dec when Embiid complained to media about his usage then we plummeted until Tobias. Embiid if he stays will destroy this team with his attitude and playstyle alone.

I agree with a lot of what you said, I think Ben lead team without Joel beating Boston in a series is a stretch with how good Boston has looked. Even Bill Simmons and Ryen Russillo on their podcast talked a little embiid and Simmons during that series and Boston homer Bill Simmons, said there’s no way if it was just Ben that they get swept.

I also think one of the most important things you said was embiid having a shorter window. If we do trade one I think it has to be embiid which does seriously extend our window. I mean Ben is not without fault either, the not shooting and his inconsistent lackadaisical effort as well. Let’s not forget mopey/disengaged Ben in the bubble games before he got hurt. He’s every bit as capable as embiid of that behavior. But if that warrior’s package is on the table of Bradley Beal and 9 (devin Vassell) or a big Chicago package I have to think long and hard about it, because I’m already questioning it. At this point in the nba investing so heavily in an elite post player, who also has never shown up in shape, while his defense has regressed. There’s definitely flags and evidence building. And I think it’s one of the teams most pivotal decisions is how far to ride it.

There is some wishful thinking here. In Simmons' first playoff appearance you had people blaming Brown for not benching Simmons for TJ who was playing better. In his second appearance he was reduced offensively to just standing in the dunker spot and waiting. He hasnt shown anything yet in the playoffs.

Siakam and Giannis who have some similarities to him as players have been underachieving in this postseason. There is nothing in Simmons resume or how the league is trending to suggest that you should build around him, at least if you want to win.

[DT RAW]

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Exactly

oh he's afraid of the press?

well geeze, lets just coddle him so he doesnt get his feelings hurt in the press or embarrassed on national TV

dont worry ben, according to 90% of the sixer fans, you are the best player to ever do it no matter what!

[stormi]

Neither Siakam nor Giannis have the vision, passing or ball handling finesse than Ben has. He's not great in the halfcourt like Lebron isn't, but he's not an anchor like Giannis.

Ben at this stage of his career is like a proto Lebron. He has all of the same attributes, he's just not as honed in mentally and still doesn't choose to shoot. Sometimes he does, he used to give us those turnaround jumpers late shotclock and he usually made them.

Time for life after Brett Brown. I feel like he knows he can be more.

[VDT]

Neither Siakam nor Giannis have the vision, passing or ball handling finesse than Ben has. He's not great in the halfcourt like Lebron isn't, but he's not an anchor like Giannis.

Ben at this stage of his career is like a proto Lebron. He has all of the same attributes, he's just not as honed in mentally and still doesn't choose to shoot. Sometimes he does, he used to give us those turnaround jumpers late shotclock and he usually made them.

Time for life after Brett Brown. I feel like he knows he can be more.

Simmons has the vision but he cant put it in use in half court because he cannot create for himself. He has some ball handling but he is rarely able to get to his spots. Maybe its his subpar length or maybe he plays soft, the fact is that he is rarely able to drive all the way to the rim in the half court and since he is not a shooter it limits him as a threat, which is why Brown tried to post him up but Simmons touch around the basket is also bad. I am not sure how you expect Simmons to attack a playoff defense in the East where Toronto, Boston, Miami and Milwaukee have the personnel and experience to stop a much better driver than him like Giannis.

Simmons is not a proto Lebron. In terms of athleticism, basketball IQ, shooting and touch around the basket he is considerably worse and he hasnt improved much. He doesnt really have the skillset to attack a playoff defense in the half court which limits his biggest asset which is his passing. That's why he thrives in transtion offense where he can find people before the defense is set. Unfortunately it is hard to play like that in the postseason as the Bucks are learning now.

[DT RAW]

the made up stuff for simmons by some posters here is just unimagineable. I can only think they are Australians who are just homers for their boy

simmons isnt half the player giannis is, and wont ever be half the player he is. Yet we can win with him in the playoffs? smh, its just unreal.

This is part of the reason we are in this mess in the 1st place. Choosing a massively flawed player over Butler, and a massively flawed coach to try to win with for 2 or 3 seasons to long

sigh

[Stanford]

Yet we can win with him in the playoffs? smh, its just unreal.

Of course a team with Ben Simmons can win in the playoffs. Why are you shaking your head?

[stormi]

The Simmons lack of creation in the halfcourt discussion is a bit hyperbolic, of course he'll never be Dame. We only saw a peek at the Joel/Ben p&r potential and it was looking promising and still not fully discovered. He drive and kick's: if not collapsed on can finish at the rim / if collapsed has the playmaking to create open shots, he can still get all the way to the cup on euro steps variants and such. But even if he were to play as the 4 in the halfcourt he still provides value there as an offensive rebounder, finisher around the rim, for putbacks and lobs (like the Curry/Draymond p&r's feasted on for years).

We do need that blinding creator though in the halfcourt. That Beal / Irving type scorer that has all of the offensive tools in his bag.

[stormi]

Neither Siakam nor Giannis have the vision, passing or ball handling finesse than Ben has. He's not great in the halfcourt like Lebron isn't, but he's not an anchor like Giannis.

Ben at this stage of his career is like a proto Lebron. He has all of the same attributes, he's just not as honed in mentally and still doesn't choose to shoot. Sometimes he does, he used to give us those turnaround jumpers late shotclock and he usually made them.

Time for life after Brett Brown. I feel like he knows he can be more.

In terms of athleticism, basketball IQ, shooting and touch around the basket he is considerably worse and he hasnt improved much.

Disagree. He's equal or superior on all fronts besides shooting, he's also not as savvy in terms of using his body to create contact and draw fouls. In terms of raw athleticism, speed in the halfcourt, passing, finishing around the rim, defensively, steal and block rate. He's all there. And even Lebron at this point can't get into shooting rhythm without taking his slow one two gather step.