2020 Draft Thread

[Mylie10]

It’s not so much small against big. It’s just that you want your roster skilled at every position. If possible.

And I wouldn’t make Houston the blue print until they win a title. Seriously folks.

[wco81]

I’m no long interested in centers with a top 5 pick, unless they’re over the top special

More WINGS please

I don't see how anyone can be watching these playoffs and still want to draft Wiseman. McGee, Howard and maybe even AD are about to be schemed off the court.

For me any big man we draft high better have Tim Duncan/KG quality footwork and skill set. Those guys would be dominant centers today. I don't care about 3pt shooting ability in a center. He better just have midrange and low post finishing ability.

Unfortunately big men these days tend to neglect those things. They all want to shoot 3s and gallop to the rim for alley oops, nothing in between.

Only team playing without centers is Houston.

So let's not make decisions by hot takes of the latest playoffs game.

Warriors have always used a rim runner on this run.

[Little Digger]

I’m no long interested in centers with a top 5 pick, unless they’re over the top special

More WINGS please

I don't see how anyone can be watching these playoffs and still want to draft Wiseman. McGee, Howard and maybe even AD are about to be schemed off the court.

For me any big man we draft high better have Tim Duncan/KG quality footwork and skill set. Those guys would be dominant centers today. I don't care about 3pt shooting ability in a center. He better just have midrange and low post finishing ability.

Unfortunately big men these days tend to neglect those things. They all want to shoot 3s and gallop to the rim for alley oops, nothing in between.

Only team playing without centers is Houston.

Miami - Houston - LAC -Boston....is there a true center on any of those teams that plays a vital role?

Chriss-Draymond and a vet aircraft carrier is more than enough ..better than any of those 4 teams options at the 5..no need to use the #2 overall on a project center

[wco81]

Clippers play Zubac. Boston plays Williams and Theis. Miami plays Bam, who's not a traditional center but not a wing either.

[Mylie10]

Part of getting Steph and Klay open white hot shots is superior screen setting.

I’ll just let that point marinate.

[Little Digger]

Clippers play Zubac. Boston plays Williams and Theis. Miami plays Bam, who's not a traditional center but not a wing either.

exactly... Bam13 , PJ Tucker and Draymond are all versatile 4’s who can be very effective playing the 5 in today’s game..Those other guys you mention are easy to obtain role players ..

Again with the game changing like it has, it make no sense for the loaded warriors to spend the #2 overall on a project 5

[Scoots1994]

It’s not so much small against big. It’s just that you want your roster skilled at every position. If possible.

And I wouldn’t make Houston the blue print until they win a title. Seriously folks.

True, and big skill pretty much always beats similar skill in a smaller package, just like fighting.

[wco81]

Clippers play Zubac. Boston plays Williams and Theis. Miami plays Bam, who's not a traditional center but not a wing either.

exactly... Bam13 , PJ Tucker and Draymond are all versatile 4’s who can be very effective playing the 5 in today’s game..Those other guys you mention are easy to obtain role players ..

Again with the game changing like it has, it make no sense for the loaded warriors to spend the #2 overall on a project 5

Bam is kind of a unicorn, hard to project who in the draft is going to play much bigger than he is.

Tucker wasn't also predicted to play well. IN fact he bounced around all over the world before finding a role with the Suns and then the Rockets. He played AD really well but the rest of the series, they could call cheap fouls, not let him play up and as physically. Because the NBA wants Lakers fans to keep watching the playoffs.

Draymond obviously wasn't expected to play bigger players so well or else he'd have been drafted much earlier. As it is, he gets away with a lot that most defenders wouldn't. So some luck involved there.

Who do you think in this draft is going to be the next Draymond or Bam? See it's not easy to predict. Teams will always go for size and length, not gamble that the next 6-6 guy is going to be able to effectively outmuscle 7 footers.

[The Maestro]

I don't see how anyone can be watching these playoffs and still want to draft Wiseman. McGee, Howard and maybe even AD are about to be schemed off the court.

For me any big man we draft high better have Tim Duncan/KG quality footwork and skill set. Those guys would be dominant centers today. I don't care about 3pt shooting ability in a center. He better just have midrange and low post finishing ability.

Unfortunately big men these days tend to neglect those things. They all want to shoot 3s and gallop to the rim for alley oops, nothing in between.

They were never taking Wiseman. Zero chance.

Let’s do a minor bet. And of course the bet will have to be.....if Wiseman is on the board when they pick type of bet. And the bet is null and void if by miracles chance there’s a Giannis deal on the table.

So maybe a wig or something. I’m actually cool if I’m wrong. I’m wrong all the time, just ask my wife lol.

I know you have some connections, but the statement you are making is a strong one. So let’s bet it

I have no insight at all to who they want to draft. Zero connections. Like I’ve said, I know one guy who has a working relationship with a few players and front office personnel. They told him about Giannis but I don’t think they share all their info with him and if they did, he didn’t tell me anything about the draft. I haven’t even talked to him in awhile to be honest. My take on Wiseman is just an opinion.

[Scoots1994]

Clippers play Zubac. Boston plays Williams and Theis. Miami plays Bam, who's not a traditional center but not a wing either.

Are there any 7 footers who are playing 30 minutes a night still in the playoffs?

Lopez is a -16 against Bam and the Heat for 3 games.

Jokic was under 30 minutes in the first game of the Clippers series, but he's the best 7 footer in the game and maybe the last of the elite 7 footers, and his game is certainly not that of a traditional center.

Lopez, Gasol, Howard, McGee, Vuc are all in their 30s and toward the end and getting progressively more marginalized. The traditional big is clearly fading in imporance.

So ... a 7 footer who moves like a wing, defends like a wing, shoots like a wing, sees the game like a wing, rebounds and blocks shots like a traditional center? IF he can stay healthy and on the court then yeah, he's super valuable. But that player is the unicorn ... and the last unicorn, Porzingis, hasn't paid off for the Knicks.

If Wiseman is a KP who can stay healthy then yeah, he's worth the #2 ... but a LOT of players have been taken high on the prospect that they will fundamentally improve all of their flaws only to see them fail one way or another, and because of it in every draft you can find bigs draft well above their skill level.

[Scoots1994]

Clippers play Zubac. Boston plays Williams and Theis. Miami plays Bam, who's not a traditional center but not a wing either.

exactly... Bam13 , PJ Tucker and Draymond are all versatile 4’s who can be very effective playing the 5 in today’s game..Those other guys you mention are easy to obtain role players ..

Again with the game changing like it has, it make no sense for the loaded warriors to spend the #2 overall on a project 5

Bam is kind of a unicorn, hard to project who in the draft is going to play much bigger than he is.

Tucker wasn't also predicted to play well. IN fact he bounced around all over the world before finding a role with the Suns and then the Rockets. He played AD really well but the rest of the series, they could call cheap fouls, not let him play up and as physically. Because the NBA wants Lakers fans to keep watching the playoffs.

Draymond obviously wasn't expected to play bigger players so well or else he'd have been drafted much earlier. As it is, he gets away with a lot that most defenders wouldn't. So some luck involved there.

Who do you think in this draft is going to be the next Draymond or Bam? See it's not easy to predict. Teams will always go for size and length, not gamble that the next 6-6 guy is going to be able to effectively outmuscle 7 footers.

The issue with finding the Bams, Tuckers, and Greens is the same as finding great players at any position. No way to measure how much someone wants to win.

I wanted Tucker on the Warriors so bad, pissed me off when he went to Houston and they finally unleashed him. Other coaches just kept seeing him as undersized and not athletic enough, just like Mark Jackson did with Green. I kind of love that the NBA is finally waking up to skill over size. But don't worry, it's still there. Just listen back to the other NBA players criticisms of Curry (other than the ones making comments on his light skin) and you'll find that they still often value size over skill.

[wco81]

Clippers play Zubac. Boston plays Williams and Theis. Miami plays Bam, who's not a traditional center but not a wing either.

Are there any 7 footers who are playing 30 minutes a night still in the playoffs?

Lopez is a -16 against Bam and the Heat for 3 games.

Jokic was under 30 minutes in the first game of the Clippers series, but he's the best 7 footer in the game and maybe the last of the elite 7 footers, and his game is certainly not that of a traditional center.

Lopez, Gasol, Howard, McGee, Vuc are all in their 30s and toward the end and getting progressively more marginalized. The traditional big is clearly fading in imporance.

So ... a 7 footer who moves like a wing, defends like a wing, shoots like a wing, sees the game like a wing, rebounds and blocks shots like a traditional center? IF he can stay healthy and on the court then yeah, he's super valuable. But that player is the unicorn ... and the last unicorn, Porzingis, hasn't paid off for the Knicks.

If Wiseman is a KP who can stay healthy then yeah, he's worth the #2 ... but a LOT of players have been taken high on the prospect that they will fundamentally improve all of their flaws only to see them fail one way or another, and because of it in every draft you can find bigs draft well above their skill level.

No you may not be able to play them more than 10-15 minutes a game deeper into the playoffs, as was the case for Bogut.

But during the season, you're going to need someone with size and length to play 20-25 minutes, so that your small lineup 4s and 5s don't get worn down or just beat up during the season.

[Free Ballin]

I was on the Wiseman train and still am, but I have to admit my dream scenario is the Wolves take Edwards and the Knicks trade up to 2 for LaMelo, giving up Mitchell Robinson and pick swap and the Dubs get Haliburton. To me Robinson + Haliburton > Wiseman. That is a very unlikely scenario though. If the Holiday rumors are true then it better include a pick swap and I would target Desmond Bane. I think he will be a quality pro.

[Mylie10]

They were never taking Wiseman. Zero chance.

Let’s do a minor bet. And of course the bet will have to be.....if Wiseman is on the board when they pick type of bet. And the bet is null and void if by miracles chance there’s a Giannis deal on the table.

So maybe a wig or something. I’m actually cool if I’m wrong. I’m wrong all the time, just ask my wife lol.

I know you have some connections, but the statement you are making is a strong one. So let’s bet it

I have no insight at all to who they want to draft. Zero connections. Like I’ve said, I know one guy who has a working relationship with a few players and front office personnel. They told him about Giannis but I don’t think they share all their info with him and if they did, he didn’t tell me anything about the draft. I haven’t even talked to him in awhile to be honest. My take on Wiseman is just an opinion.

Got it. All good!

[cdubbz]

Anyone intrigued my Killian Hayes and his playmaking/defensive awareness? He’s more Manu than Dlo which he’s compared to. There’s great film of Killian showing his defensive awareness and rotations. 6’5 Lefty point guard with a solid James harden step back.

A few Downsides. do we want him for a championship run. He may not pan out for a few years etc.

[Coxy]

They were never taking Wiseman. Zero chance.

Let’s do a minor bet. And of course the bet will have to be.....if Wiseman is on the board when they pick type of bet. And the bet is null and void if by miracles chance there’s a Giannis deal on the table.

So maybe a wig or something. I’m actually cool if I’m wrong. I’m wrong all the time, just ask my wife lol.

I know you have some connections, but the statement you are making is a strong one. So let’s bet it

I have no insight at all to who they want to draft. Zero connections. Like I’ve said, I know one guy who has a working relationship with a few players and front office personnel. They told him about Giannis but I don’t think they share all their info with him and if they did, he didn’t tell me anything about the draft. I haven’t even talked to him in awhile to be honest. My take on Wiseman is just an opinion.

Zero chance!

[cdubbz]

I’ll take Wiseman every time if he helps our big 3 get a championship in the next two years. Other prospects might have higher ceilings, but a championship or two is priority over a prospect who will be a future franchise player but in 3-4yearw.

Maximize Curry’s window. I guess this takes Killian off the board for us

[cdubbz]

Or who knows. Wiseman could be just as useful as McGee the first few years.

[Mylie10]

Or who knows. Wiseman could be just as useful as McGee the first few years.

The combo at Center would be Wiseman, Chriss, and Draymond.

That’s enough from that spot to win it. However we don’t have a good enough bench overall to really say that we can win a Championship. Hit Wiseman doesn’t hurt our chances, he increases them. And he will mature into a great player who is an All Star at some point.

Looney may play some center as well if healthy, so we’d have plenty of big man size.

Next we focus on bringing in wings. But we need wings who can defend and shoot it. Can’t have players like Toscanini Anderson ever seeing the floor if we want to win it.

[ShayDee]

People are forgetting, Wiseman has been working on his game since December 2019. The next time he will play an official game is what December 2020? 2021? What if he comes out hitting every open 3 and midrange? What if he can beat whoever is guarding him off the dribble and overpower them to the rim for an easy basket? What if he demands double teams and is fouled as much as AD/Embiid?

Is everyone really going to discount the amount of easy baskets/screening/rebounding/rim protection/spacing he can offer? Like why is everyone assuming he will be Mcgee/Noel who can't shoot, dribble or rebound? You know he can dribble right? Everyone is saying they hate traditional Cs now. But when Wiseman is working on his game to expand to the 3point line, learn more advanced dribbles, fade aways(which he is capable of hitting btw), modelling his game closer to Giannis than a C they suddenly hate it and want him to just be a traditional C, completely discarding all the work he has put in till this point.

I mean why was he the #1 recruit coming into college? You think because he could only dunk? I guarantee if there is any sort of workouts the Warriors would take Wiseman #1 overall

Edit: I also forgot to add. It's not as if he was not attempting jumpers. He has been taking them since highschool, his form is not broken. If he was open, he would rather take a jumper than drive to the rim. That is far away from traditional C as it gets. So it's ignorant to claim he will be completely hopeless in that area of his game