2020 Presidential Election (All Serious POVs Welcome)

[HarthorneWingo]

That's true. I'm more concerned with the delay factor from a huge increase in declaring a winner and the breakdown in trust should there be a massive reversal. Which is entirely possible I've read that Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans to vote by mail.

Of course in the most important way, so what. That's the way the system is being set up, this time. But maybe we need to figure out a better way. Some states allow ballots to be postmarked the day of the general election.

It’s not a “reversal.” The election will probably not be decided on Election night. We’ll all just have to be patient and wait it out. You have to know that on Election night that Trump is going to declare victory and the initiate all of this litigation to prevent the rest of the votes from being counted.

That’s going to be out big problem.

There will be litigation this election I'm sure of it. Whether or not it's warranted remains to be seen. You can't just say well Trump so it's BS. A judge just ruled they had to do an election over in NJ because of mail in voter fraud.

Actually, you can. Trump always sues in court and, usually, he loses.

You don’t really think that Trump plays these things in the up and up?

[HarthorneWingo]

That's true. I'm more concerned with the delay factor from a huge increase in declaring a winner and the breakdown in trust should there be a massive reversal. Which is entirely possible I've read that Democrats are twice as likely as Republicans to vote by mail.

Of course in the most important way, so what. That's the way the system is being set up, this time. But maybe we need to figure out a better way. Some states allow ballots to be postmarked the day of the general election.

It’s not a “reversal.” The election will probably not be decided on Election night. We’ll all just have to be patient and wait it out. You have to know that on Election night that Trump is going to declare victory and the initiate all of this litigation to prevent the rest of the votes from being counted.

That’s going to be out big problem.

There will be litigation this election I'm sure of it. Whether or not it's warranted remains to be seen. You can't just say well Trump so it's BS. A judge just ruled they had to do an election over in NJ because of mail in voter fraud.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mail-in-voting-republicans-swing-states_n_5f52ba3ac5b62b3add407b24

GOP lawmakers were seriously preparing for a flood of absentee ballots until the president signaled that he prefers chaos.

The bill was supposed to be uncontroversial, and at first, it was. Early this year, Michigan advanced a bipartisan measure to let election officials take absentee ballots out of their mailing envelopes — but not to unseal the ballots or count them — the day before Election Day.

It was the kind of small, bureaucratic switch that could make the difference between timely results in this fall’s presidential election and chaos. And it was moving steadily, with Republican support, through Michigan’s GOP-led Senate.

Then, President Donald Trump made it clear that he preferred chaos. 

The loss of momentum in Michigan follows a pattern that voting rights advocates say they are seeing in key swing states: As Trump has worked furiously to undermine mail-in voting, rank-and-file Republicans, who were previously serious about adapting elections amid the coronavirus pandemic, have fallen in line to help him.

“We were making good progress. And then somebody started tweeting about mail-in voting and made it partisan,” said Amber McReynolds, the CEO of the National Vote at Home Institute, a nonpartisan group helping states prepare for Election Day. “I’m very concerned about the states that haven’t adjusted their laws to process the huge number of absentee ballots we’re expecting.”

Michigan is just one example. In Pennsylvania, Republicans have signaled that they won’t agree to speed up absentee ballot counting without also adding new voter restrictions. In Wisconsin, the Republican-controlled state legislature has altogether ignored calls to prepare for a tidal wave of mail-in ballots. 

All three are swing states that could determine the presidential race. And in all three states, laws bar officials from opening mail-in ballots before Election Day, making it virtually impossible to report accurate results on election night — a delay that Trump has said he won’t abide: “Must know Election results on the night of the Election, not days, months, or even years later!”

This is what I’m talking about. Republicans were busy helping fix the mail-in ballots issues when Trump tweeted this (which came with a link from Twitter “to learn more information about mail-in ballots” warning:

Read on Twitter

?s=20

You see what Trump is doing here?

[BallSacBounce]

It’s not a “reversal.” The election will probably not be decided on Election night. We’ll all just have to be patient and wait it out. You have to know that on Election night that Trump is going to declare victory and the initiate all of this litigation to prevent the rest of the votes from being counted.

That’s going to be out big problem.

There will be litigation this election I'm sure of it. Whether or not it's warranted remains to be seen. You can't just say well Trump so it's BS. A judge just ruled they had to do an election over in NJ because of mail in voter fraud.

Actually, you can. Trump always sues in court and, usually, he loses.

You don’t really think that Trump plays these things in the up and up?

Wingo your dismissing before any evidence at all comes in on some future event that there can't be Democratic fraud because.... Trump. C'mon, you know better.

Anyway, feel free to hate him and if he is the one to defraud someone I will hope he loses that fight. If Democrat fraud is proven will you do the same?
Democrat mail in Voter Fraud has been proven before let's not pretend it doesn't exist.

The people need to decide this not truckloads of missing/found ballots appearing or disappearing.

[BallSacBounce]

It’s not a “reversal.” The election will probably not be decided on Election night. We’ll all just have to be patient and wait it out. You have to know that on Election night that Trump is going to declare victory and the initiate all of this litigation to prevent the rest of the votes from being counted.

That’s going to be out big problem.

There will be litigation this election I'm sure of it. Whether or not it's warranted remains to be seen. You can't just say well Trump so it's BS. A judge just ruled they had to do an election over in NJ because of mail in voter fraud.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mail-in-voting-republicans-swing-states_n_5f52ba3ac5b62b3add407b24

GOP lawmakers were seriously preparing for a flood of absentee ballots until the president signaled that he prefers chaos.

The bill was supposed to be uncontroversial, and at first, it was. Early this year, Michigan advanced a bipartisan measure to let election officials take absentee ballots out of their mailing envelopes — but not to unseal the ballots or count them — the day before Election Day.

It was the kind of small, bureaucratic switch that could make the difference between timely results in this fall’s presidential election and chaos. And it was moving steadily, with Republican support, through Michigan’s GOP-led Senate.

Then, President Donald Trump made it clear that he preferred chaos. 

The loss of momentum in Michigan follows a pattern that voting rights advocates say they are seeing in key swing states: As Trump has worked furiously to undermine mail-in voting, rank-and-file Republicans, who were previously serious about adapting elections amid the coronavirus pandemic, have fallen in line to help him.

“We were making good progress. And then somebody started tweeting about mail-in voting and made it partisan,” said Amber McReynolds, the CEO of the National Vote at Home Institute, a nonpartisan group helping states prepare for Election Day. “I’m very concerned about the states that haven’t adjusted their laws to process the huge number of absentee ballots we’re expecting.”

Michigan is just one example. In Pennsylvania, Republicans have signaled that they won’t agree to speed up absentee ballot counting without also adding new voter restrictions. In Wisconsin, the Republican-controlled state legislature has altogether ignored calls to prepare for a tidal wave of mail-in ballots. 

All three are swing states that could determine the presidential race. And in all three states, laws bar officials from opening mail-in ballots before Election Day, making it virtually impossible to report accurate results on election night — a delay that Trump has said he won’t abide: “Must know Election results on the night of the Election, not days, months, or even years later!”

This is what I’m talking about. Republicans were busy helping fix the mail-in ballots issues when Trump tweeted this (which came with a link from Twitter “to learn more information about mail-in ballots” warning:

Read on Twitter

?s=20

You see what Trump is doing here?

Wingo that article is intentionally conflating absentee ballots with mail in voting. While absentee ballots are mailed that is not what is meant by the term mail in voting. We can't hope to come to any understanding if we don't define things correctly.

Absentee ballots are requested individually by the people who wish to receive them. No problem there.

The mail in voting that Democrats want is to do a mass mailing to everyone on the Voter rolls which has been demonstrated to be ripe for abuse. Tens of thousands in each state will be returned as undeliverable, people who moved or are dead, how are these handled?

The Postal Union endorsed Biden, why should a Trump Voter even trust them?
They have thrown out political mail before.

If someone requests it, they know when it hasn't arrived or been counted. This willy nilly **** will be the end times for our republic. I might even be willing to let us go full Banana Republic for the lulz except I don't look good in khaki baby.

[Fury]

There will be litigation this election I'm sure of it. Whether or not it's warranted remains to be seen. You can't just say well Trump so it's BS. A judge just ruled they had to do an election over in NJ because of mail in voter fraud.

Actually, you can. Trump always sues in court and, usually, he loses.

You don’t really think that Trump plays these things in the up and up?

Wingo your dismissing before any evidence at all comes in on some future event that there can't be Democratic fraud because.... Trump. C'mon, you know better.

Anyway, feel free to hate him and if he is the one to defraud someone I will hope he loses that fight. If Democrat fraud is proven will you do the same?
Democrat mail in Voter Fraud has been proven before let's not pretend it doesn't exist.

The people need to decide this not truckloads of missing/found ballots appearing or disappearing.

When was Democratic fraud proven (the last big one was Republicans in NC)? And also, there’s .0006% chance of fraud.

If trump now told you to stick all ballots up your ass, you’d agree with him, too

[BallSacBounce]

Actually, you can. Trump always sues in court and, usually, he loses.

You don’t really think that Trump plays these things in the up and up?

Wingo your dismissing before any evidence at all comes in on some future event that there can't be Democratic fraud because.... Trump. C'mon, you know better.

Anyway, feel free to hate him and if he is the one to defraud someone I will hope he loses that fight. If Democrat fraud is proven will you do the same?
Democrat mail in Voter Fraud has been proven before let's not pretend it doesn't exist.

The people need to decide this not truckloads of missing/found ballots appearing or disappearing.

When was Democratic fraud proven (the last big one was Republicans in NC)? And also, there’s .0006% chance of fraud.

If trump now told you to stick all ballots up your ass, you’d agree with him, too

If I thought it would help id totally take one for the team.

Gov. Murphy Calls on Paterson Councilmen Charged in Voting Fraud Scheme to Step DownThe governor said that Alex Mendez and Michael Jackson refusing to step down "undermines the public's sacred trust in democracy"; both council members have said they will plead not guilty

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/gov-murphy-calls-on-paterson-councilmen-charged-in-voting-fraud-scheme-to-step-down/2487727/

[Pointgod]

There will be litigation this election I'm sure of it. Whether or not it's warranted remains to be seen. You can't just say well Trump so it's BS. A judge just ruled they had to do an election over in NJ because of mail in voter fraud.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mail-in-voting-republicans-swing-states_n_5f52ba3ac5b62b3add407b24

GOP lawmakers were seriously preparing for a flood of absentee ballots until the president signaled that he prefers chaos.

The bill was supposed to be uncontroversial, and at first, it was. Early this year, Michigan advanced a bipartisan measure to let election officials take absentee ballots out of their mailing envelopes — but not to unseal the ballots or count them — the day before Election Day.

It was the kind of small, bureaucratic switch that could make the difference between timely results in this fall’s presidential election and chaos. And it was moving steadily, with Republican support, through Michigan’s GOP-led Senate.

Then, President Donald Trump made it clear that he preferred chaos. 

The loss of momentum in Michigan follows a pattern that voting rights advocates say they are seeing in key swing states: As Trump has worked furiously to undermine mail-in voting, rank-and-file Republicans, who were previously serious about adapting elections amid the coronavirus pandemic, have fallen in line to help him.

“We were making good progress. And then somebody started tweeting about mail-in voting and made it partisan,” said Amber McReynolds, the CEO of the National Vote at Home Institute, a nonpartisan group helping states prepare for Election Day. “I’m very concerned about the states that haven’t adjusted their laws to process the huge number of absentee ballots we’re expecting.”

Michigan is just one example. In Pennsylvania, Republicans have signaled that they won’t agree to speed up absentee ballot counting without also adding new voter restrictions. In Wisconsin, the Republican-controlled state legislature has altogether ignored calls to prepare for a tidal wave of mail-in ballots. 

All three are swing states that could determine the presidential race. And in all three states, laws bar officials from opening mail-in ballots before Election Day, making it virtually impossible to report accurate results on election night — a delay that Trump has said he won’t abide: “Must know Election results on the night of the Election, not days, months, or even years later!”

This is what I’m talking about. Republicans were busy helping fix the mail-in ballots issues when Trump tweeted this (which came with a link from Twitter “to learn more information about mail-in ballots” warning:

Read on Twitter

?s=20

You see what Trump is doing here?

Wingo that article is intentionally conflating absentee ballots with mail in voting. While absentee ballots are mailed that is not what is meant by the term mail in voting. We can't hope to come to any understanding if we don't define things correctly.

Absentee ballots are requested individually by the people who wish to receive them. No problem there.

The mail in voting that Democrats want is to do a mass mailing to everyone on the Voter rolls which has been demonstrated to be ripe for abuse. Tens of thousands in each state will be returned as undeliverable, people who moved or are dead, how are these handled?

The Postal Union endorsed Biden, why should a Trump Voter even trust them?
They have thrown out political mail before.

If someone requests it, they know when it hasn't arrived or been counted. This willy nilly **** will be the end times for our republic. I might even be willing to let us go full Banana Republic for the lulz except I don't look good in khaki baby.

You seem to be mistaken with a lot of the assumptions that you’re making. I recommend putting down the Breitbart and Gatewaypundit because you’re getting bad information.

Absentee balloting and mail in voting are the same thing and effectively have the same probability of fraud which is by all accounts is very little. And even Trump’s own voter fraud commission couldn’t find evidence of fraud. There’s a pandemic going on and people should at least be provided the option of voting by mail without any excuses. You don’t want people getting sick if they don’t need to. And there’s no party bias to mail in voting either.

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-does-vote-by-mail-work-and-does-it-increase-election-fraud/

In making their request, voters have to provide their name and address. After receipt of the request, local election authorities send a ballot to the voter at the home address and provides one security envelope for the ballot that keeps the vote choice private and another envelope into which the sealed ballot is placed. The voter signs the outside of the second envelope to certify he or she is a registered voter.

Upon receipt of the mailed ballot, local election authorities check the name of the voter to make sure the person is registered to vote and is casting a ballot from the address registered with the election authority. After certifying those facts, they remove the sealed ballot from the outside envelope containing the voter signature so that the voter’s preferences remain confidential. On Election Day, states count the mail ballots and add the results to the votes of those individuals who cast their ballots in person.

A major study of California, Utah, and Washington state conducted by Daniel Thompson, Jesse Yoder, Jennifer Wu, and Andrew Hall of Stanford University for elections between 1996 and 2018 concluded there was no partisan advantage to either party based on voting by mail.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, there is no evidence that mail balloting increases electoral fraud as there are several anti-fraud protections built into the process designed to make it difficult to impersonate voters or steal ballots. These provisions include requiring people requesting absentee ballots to be registered voters, mailing ballots to the official address listed on voter registration rolls, requiring voter signatures on the external envelope, and having election authorities make sure the ballot came from the address of an actual voter. If a ballot appears questionable, some states use a signature matching technique to verify the signature of the voter.

[frothbrain]

The one qualification voting had was that you had to get off your lazy, fat ass to do so at a polling site.

Now people are trying to remove that qualification jeopardizing the integrity of the election in the name of covid, when the entirety of the rest of the world has no such implementations and have mostly returned to normalcy.

Laughable

[BallSacBounce]

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/trump-mail-in-voting-republicans-swing-states_n_5f52ba3ac5b62b3add407b24



This is what I’m talking about. Republicans were busy helping fix the mail-in ballots issues when Trump tweeted this (which came with a link from Twitter “to learn more information about mail-in ballots” warning:

Read on Twitter

?s=20

You see what Trump is doing here?

Wingo that article is intentionally conflating absentee ballots with mail in voting. While absentee ballots are mailed that is not what is meant by the term mail in voting. We can't hope to come to any understanding if we don't define things correctly.

Absentee ballots are requested individually by the people who wish to receive them. No problem there.

The mail in voting that Democrats want is to do a mass mailing to everyone on the Voter rolls which has been demonstrated to be ripe for abuse. Tens of thousands in each state will be returned as undeliverable, people who moved or are dead, how are these handled?

The Postal Union endorsed Biden, why should a Trump Voter even trust them?
They have thrown out political mail before.

If someone requests it, they know when it hasn't arrived or been counted. This willy nilly **** will be the end times for our republic. I might even be willing to let us go full Banana Republic for the lulz except I don't look good in khaki baby.

You seem to be mistaken with a lot of the assumptions that you’re making. I recommend putting down the Breitbart and Gatewaypundit because you’re getting bad information.

Absentee balloting and mail in voting are the same thing and effectively have the same probability of fraud which is by all accounts is very little. And even Trump’s own voter fraud commission couldn’t find evidence of fraud. There’s a pandemic going on and people should at least be provided the option of voting by mail without any excuses. You don’t want people getting sick if they don’t need to. And there’s no party bias to mail in voting either.

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-does-vote-by-mail-work-and-does-it-increase-election-fraud/

In making their request, voters have to provide their name and address. After receipt of the request, local election authorities send a ballot to the voter at the home address and provides one security envelope for the ballot that keeps the vote choice private and another envelope into which the sealed ballot is placed. The voter signs the outside of the second envelope to certify he or she is a registered voter.

Upon receipt of the mailed ballot, local election authorities check the name of the voter to make sure the person is registered to vote and is casting a ballot from the address registered with the election authority. After certifying those facts, they remove the sealed ballot from the outside envelope containing the voter signature so that the voter’s preferences remain confidential. On Election Day, states count the mail ballots and add the results to the votes of those individuals who cast their ballots in person.

A major study of California, Utah, and Washington state conducted by Daniel Thompson, Jesse Yoder, Jennifer Wu, and Andrew Hall of Stanford University for elections between 1996 and 2018 concluded there was no partisan advantage to either party based on voting by mail.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, there is no evidence that mail balloting increases electoral fraud as there are several anti-fraud protections built into the process designed to make it difficult to impersonate voters or steal ballots. These provisions include requiring people requesting absentee ballots to be registered voters, mailing ballots to the official address listed on voter registration rolls, requiring voter signatures on the external envelope, and having election authorities make sure the ballot came from the address of an actual voter. If a ballot appears questionable, some states use a signature matching technique to verify the signature of the voter.

I have absolutely no issue with a requested ballot being sent out. Neither does Trump. What the Democrats are asking for is not that. That is a given, requested ballots. No one disputes that. We are talking about mass mailings to people that did not request them.

Perhaps you should start reading Breitbart more often. None of Trump, I, or Breitbart are talking about absentee ballots.

I don't recommend Gateway Pundit, though there is some good bring it to my attention type stuff their analysis is usually, um, piss poor. They are however a guilty pleasure of mine, forgive my trespass.

This is your greatest post addressed to me IMO. I appreciate it, I do. Thank you for the respectful engagement. I will do my best to live up to what you have presented. At the moment I am three sheets to the wind and I want to give this issue, and what you said, a deserved, thoughtful response.

[HarthorneWingo]

Wingo that article is intentionally conflating absentee ballots with mail in voting. While absentee ballots are mailed that is not what is meant by the term mail in voting. We can't hope to come to any understanding if we don't define things correctly.

Absentee ballots are requested individually by the people who wish to receive them. No problem there.

The mail in voting that Democrats want is to do a mass mailing to everyone on the Voter rolls which has been demonstrated to be ripe for abuse. Tens of thousands in each state will be returned as undeliverable, people who moved or are dead, how are these handled?

The Postal Union endorsed Biden, why should a Trump Voter even trust them?
They have thrown out political mail before.

If someone requests it, they know when it hasn't arrived or been counted. This willy nilly **** will be the end times for our republic. I might even be willing to let us go full Banana Republic for the lulz except I don't look good in khaki baby.

You seem to be mistaken with a lot of the assumptions that you’re making. I recommend putting down the Breitbart and Gatewaypundit because you’re getting bad information.

Absentee balloting and mail in voting are the same thing and effectively have the same probability of fraud which is by all accounts is very little. And even Trump’s own voter fraud commission couldn’t find evidence of fraud. There’s a pandemic going on and people should at least be provided the option of voting by mail without any excuses. You don’t want people getting sick if they don’t need to. And there’s no party bias to mail in voting either.

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-does-vote-by-mail-work-and-does-it-increase-election-fraud/

In making their request, voters have to provide their name and address. After receipt of the request, local election authorities send a ballot to the voter at the home address and provides one security envelope for the ballot that keeps the vote choice private and another envelope into which the sealed ballot is placed. The voter signs the outside of the second envelope to certify he or she is a registered voter.

Upon receipt of the mailed ballot, local election authorities check the name of the voter to make sure the person is registered to vote and is casting a ballot from the address registered with the election authority. After certifying those facts, they remove the sealed ballot from the outside envelope containing the voter signature so that the voter’s preferences remain confidential. On Election Day, states count the mail ballots and add the results to the votes of those individuals who cast their ballots in person.

A major study of California, Utah, and Washington state conducted by Daniel Thompson, Jesse Yoder, Jennifer Wu, and Andrew Hall of Stanford University for elections between 1996 and 2018 concluded there was no partisan advantage to either party based on voting by mail.

According to the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University, there is no evidence that mail balloting increases electoral fraud as there are several anti-fraud protections built into the process designed to make it difficult to impersonate voters or steal ballots. These provisions include requiring people requesting absentee ballots to be registered voters, mailing ballots to the official address listed on voter registration rolls, requiring voter signatures on the external envelope, and having election authorities make sure the ballot came from the address of an actual voter. If a ballot appears questionable, some states use a signature matching technique to verify the signature of the voter.

I have absolutely no issue with a requested ballot being sent out. Neither does Trump. What the Democrats are asking for is not that. That is a given, requested ballots. No one disputes that. We are talking about mass mailings to people that did not request them.

Perhaps you should start reading Breitbart more often. None of Trump, I, or Breitbart are talking about absentee ballots.

I don't recommend Gateway Pundit, though there is some good bring it to my attention type stuff their analysis is usually, um, piss poor. They are however a guilty pleasure of mine, forgive my trespass.

This is your greatest post addressed to me IMO. I appreciate it, I do. Thank you for the respectful engagement. I will do my best to live up to what you have presented. At the moment I am three sheets to the wind and I want to give this issue, and what you said, a deserved, thoughtful response.

I had to request mine mail-in ballot.

[HarthorneWingo]

The one qualification voting had was that you had to get off your lazy, fat ass to do so at a polling site.

Now people are trying to remove that qualification jeopardizing the integrity of the election in the name of covid, when the entirety of the rest of the world has no such implementations and have mostly returned to normalcy.

Laughable

What other country wide elections have taken place since COVID?

[HarthorneWingo]

Wingo your dismissing before any evidence at all comes in on some future event that there can't be Democratic fraud because.... Trump. C'mon, you know better.

Anyway, feel free to hate him and if he is the one to defraud someone I will hope he loses that fight. If Democrat fraud is proven will you do the same?
Democrat mail in Voter Fraud has been proven before let's not pretend it doesn't exist.

The people need to decide this not truckloads of missing/found ballots appearing or disappearing.

When was Democratic fraud proven (the last big one was Republicans in NC)? And also, there’s .0006% chance of fraud.

If trump now told you to stick all ballots up your ass, you’d agree with him, too

If I thought it would help id totally take one for the team.

Gov. Murphy Calls on Paterson Councilmen Charged in Voting Fraud Scheme to Step DownThe governor said that Alex Mendez and Michael Jackson refusing to step down "undermines the public's sacred trust in democracy"; both council members have said they will plead not guilty

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/gov-murphy-calls-on-paterson-councilmen-charged-in-voting-fraud-scheme-to-step-down/2487727/

Including sex with Sarah Huckabee-Sanders?

[BallSacBounce]

You seem to be mistaken with a lot of the assumptions that you’re making. I recommend putting down the Breitbart and Gatewaypundit because you’re getting bad information.

Absentee balloting and mail in voting are the same thing and effectively have the same probability of fraud which is by all accounts is very little. And even Trump’s own voter fraud commission couldn’t find evidence of fraud. There’s a pandemic going on and people should at least be provided the option of voting by mail without any excuses. You don’t want people getting sick if they don’t need to. And there’s no party bias to mail in voting either.

https://www.brookings.edu/policy2020/votervital/how-does-vote-by-mail-work-and-does-it-increase-election-fraud/

I have absolutely no issue with a requested ballot being sent out. Neither does Trump. What the Democrats are asking for is not that. That is a given, requested ballots. No one disputes that. We are talking about mass mailings to people that did not request them.

Perhaps you should start reading Breitbart more often. None of Trump, I, or Breitbart are talking about absentee ballots.

I don't recommend Gateway Pundit, though there is some good bring it to my attention type stuff their analysis is usually, um, piss poor. They are however a guilty pleasure of mine, forgive my trespass.

This is your greatest post addressed to me IMO. I appreciate it, I do. Thank you for the respectful engagement. I will do my best to live up to what you have presented. At the moment I am three sheets to the wind and I want to give this issue, and what you said, a deserved, thoughtful response.

I had to request mine mail-in ballot.

Yeah, I do it every year. Mostly I like to vote in person so I do it as a precautionary measure in case for whatever reason I can't vote in person.

This is what I'm talking about:

Gov. Newsom signs bill requiring mail ballot be sent to all voters registered for November

https://ktla.com/news/california/ca-assembly-approves-measure-to-mail-ballot-to-all-registered-voters-bill-heads-to-newsom/

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Gov. Newsom signs bill requiring mail ballot be sent to all voters registered for November election

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by: Associated Press

Posted: Jun 18, 2020 / 02:12 PM PDT / Updated: Jun 18, 2020 / 08:52 PM PDT

Gov. Gavin Newsom signed a bill Thursday to require county officials to mail a ballot to every registered voter for the November election, cementing into law the Democratic governor’s earlier order to mail out ballots statewide in response to the coronavirus outbreak.

Gov. Newsome is not just mailing to Absentee Voters, he's mailing to all registered voters whether requested or not. This is the difference with a distinction.

OK, now that I have illustrated the difference between absentee and mail in voting, who's first in apologizing for using compromised illegitimate sources who conflate the two?

But they are your cherished sources, and mine are such trash. You will lie in your rubble.

[BallSacBounce]

When was Democratic fraud proven (the last big one was Republicans in NC)? And also, there’s .0006% chance of fraud.

If trump now told you to stick all ballots up your ass, you’d agree with him, too

If I thought it would help id totally take one for the team.

Gov. Murphy Calls on Paterson Councilmen Charged in Voting Fraud Scheme to Step DownThe governor said that Alex Mendez and Michael Jackson refusing to step down "undermines the public's sacred trust in democracy"; both council members have said they will plead not guilty

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/gov-murphy-calls-on-paterson-councilmen-charged-in-voting-fraud-scheme-to-step-down/2487727/

Including sex with Sarah Huckabee-Sanders?

I have to draw the line somewhere. While I liked the cut of her jib I won't lick it.

OG OL Dirty Bastards might have little honor but they do have standards, most of the times.

[aq_ua]

The one qualification voting had was that you had to get off your lazy, fat ass to do so at a polling site.

Now people are trying to remove that qualification jeopardizing the integrity of the election in the name of covid, when the entirety of the rest of the world has no such implementations and have mostly returned to normalcy.

Laughable

What other country wide elections have taken place since COVID?

Struggling to find any country that has mostly returned to normalcy. All I see are more lock downs due to second and third waves.

[BallSacBounce]

The one qualification voting had was that you had to get off your lazy, fat ass to do so at a polling site.

Now people are trying to remove that qualification jeopardizing the integrity of the election in the name of covid, when the entirety of the rest of the world has no such implementations and have mostly returned to normalcy.

Laughable

Direct and irrefutable.

[aq_ua]

The one qualification voting had was that you had to get off your lazy, fat ass to do so at a polling site.

Now people are trying to remove that qualification jeopardizing the integrity of the election in the name of covid, when the entirety of the rest of the world has no such implementations and have mostly returned to normalcy.

Laughable

Direct and irrefutable.

In the biggest election so far in 2020, one in four South Koreans voted early, either by mail or at early voting stations. There was no evidence of fraud. However, South Korea relied on voting in embassies and consulates for its citizens living abroad, and found themselves at the mercy of local Covid-19 lockdowns, disenfranchising at least 8,000 registered voters.

In Poland, the lower house of Parliament voted to approve an all-mail ballot for this year’s presidential election, but the Senate rejected the move just days before the vote was due to take place in May, forcing the election to be delayed. It eventually took place seven weeks later, via a mix of in-person and mail voting.

In Europe, the United Kingdom and 15 of the 27 EU countries allow postal voting. Germany, which has a federal system comparable to the United States, dropped requirements to request absentee and mail ballots in 2008.

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/06/coronavirus-election-safe-fair-391962

[HarthorneWingo]

The one qualification voting had was that you had to get off your lazy, fat ass to do so at a polling site.

Now people are trying to remove that qualification jeopardizing the integrity of the election in the name of covid, when the entirety of the rest of the world has no such implementations and have mostly returned to normalcy.

Laughable

What other country wide elections have taken place since COVID?

Struggling to find any country that has mostly returned to normalcy. All I see are more lock downs due to second and third waves.

Exactly.

[HarthorneWingo]

If I thought it would help id totally take one for the team.

Gov. Murphy Calls on Paterson Councilmen Charged in Voting Fraud Scheme to Step DownThe governor said that Alex Mendez and Michael Jackson refusing to step down "undermines the public's sacred trust in democracy"; both council members have said they will plead not guilty

https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/politics/gov-murphy-calls-on-paterson-councilmen-charged-in-voting-fraud-scheme-to-step-down/2487727/

Including sex with Sarah Huckabee-Sanders?

I have to draw the line somewhere. While I liked the cut of her jib I won't lick it.

OG OL Dirty Bastards might have little honor but they do have standards, most of the times.

Plus, you'd have to fight off Un who wants her badly. Do you know what Un would do to you if he found out we were even discussing this?

[movingon]

The one qualification voting had was that you had to get off your lazy, fat ass to do so at a polling site.

Now people are trying to remove that qualification jeopardizing the integrity of the election in the name of covid, when the entirety of the rest of the world has no such implementations and have mostly returned to normalcy.

Laughable

What other country wide elections have taken place since COVID?

Struggling to find any country that has mostly returned to normalcy. All I see are more lock downs due to second and third waves.

Belarus had an election. It went great!