PG Miami - We have a pulse

[midranger]

It was so refreshing in the second half to not throw away possessions with sooooo many 30 foot jumpers and brain dead TOs.

[coolhandluke121]

Giannis is forcing the issue on double teams or gets the ball behind the 3p line in front of a wall of defenders because Bud can't figure a way out of this for two straight seasons. Standing still and watching Giannis against the whole Miamis/Toronto's defense with inconsistent shooters and spacing will never work.

But it works fine when Giannis isn't even playing. If they can execute offense without Giannis playing, why can't they execute it with him playing? Why are the other guys able to execute in this series when Giannis sits? Why couldn't they do that when Giannis is playing? The real answer is that Giannis has been hogging the ball in situations where he has no business having the ball at all. They'd literally be better off with him parking in the corner and drawing a defender than doing what he did in halfcourt possessions in game 3. You're completely delusional if you can't see that.

The main reason Bud is to blame is for not telling Giannis to knock it the **** off.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Middleton was good but let's not exaggerate, he was 12/28, he has good and bad series. He was great against Boston two years ago, he was terrible last year against Toronto. We know him he is not some secret weapon that was unleashed

Exactly

The stud talk is ridiculous. He isn’t prime Kobe. That’s a stud for heavens sake.


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Prime Kobe shot 13-33 in an elimination game when he was the same age as Khris that the Lakers lost.

Wonder if going 13-33 for had anything to do with that...
Middleton won us this game but this was not an all-time great game or anything. But I'm not ready to hop onto train where middleton is shooting 35 times a game in iso. I just don't think that is going to get us anywhere.

EtA: giannis's efficient 18 kept us in it earlier and made it basically a tie game when he left. Without that, early misses would've put us in a whole.

[ejn1214]

Exactly

The stud talk is ridiculous. He isn’t prime Kobe. That’s a stud for heavens sake.


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Prime Kobe shot 13-33 in an elimination game when he was the same age as Khris that the Lakers lost.

Wonder if going 13-33 for had anything to do with that...
Middleton won us this game but this was not an all-time great game or anything. But I'm not ready to hop onto train where middleton is shooting 35 times a game in iso. I just don't think that is going to get us anywhere.

EtA: giannis's efficient 18 kept us in it earlier and made it basically a tie game when he left. Without that, early misses would've put us in a whole.

Bringing up Kobe when talking about shooting efficiency is hilarious. I can't tell if it's an actual joke or not in text.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Wonder what limited Giannis looks like if he can go. Have him play more center and on the elbow where he more acts as a facilitator with slowed, down deliberate passes instead of attacking without thinking.

[msiris]

The book on Giannis is pretty simple. He takes shots from either 0 ft or 24 ft. Needs to learn how to pull up from 5-10 ft. That would go a long way in his game. Instead of working on 3 pointers he needs to work on Fts. Only, **** the 3 pointer.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Prime Kobe shot 13-33 in an elimination game when he was the same age as Khris that the Lakers lost.

Wonder if going 13-33 for had anything to do with that...
Middleton won us this game but this was not an all-time great game or anything. But I'm not ready to hop onto train where middleton is shooting 35 times a game in iso. I just don't think that is going to get us anywhere.

EtA: giannis's efficient 18 kept us in it earlier and made it basically a tie game when he left. Without that, early misses would've put us in a whole.

Bringing up Kobe when talking about shooting efficiency is hilarious. I can't tell if it's an actual joke or not in text.

I was saying kobe's inefficiency probably cost him the game. I wasn't a fan of kobe's game and middleton isn't Kobe.

[blazza18]

How anyone can be critical of Khris after this series is beyond me. Guy has done everything we could've asked of him.

Have we not asked Middleton to step up and win games before lol? Considering how high Middleton fans are of him I'm not sure why performances like this one aren't expected more often.

[ejn1214]

Wonder if going 13-33 for had anything to do with that...
Middleton won us this game but this was not an all-time great game or anything. But I'm not ready to hop onto train where middleton is shooting 35 times a game in iso. I just don't think that is going to get us anywhere.

EtA: giannis's efficient 18 kept us in it earlier and made it basically a tie game when he left. Without that, early misses would've put us in a whole.

Bringing up Kobe when talking about shooting efficiency is hilarious. I can't tell if it's an actual joke or not in text.

I was saying kobe's inefficiency probably cost him the game. I wasn't a fan of kobe's game and middleton isn't Kobe.

Sorry my comment was in regards to bcks fan's comment. I completely agree with everything you said. Especially early in Kobe's career he chucked games away. We basically gave Middleton the ball every possession for awhile there. We aren't winning many games like that. I liked Donte and George Hill's movement on offense. Call me crazy, but ersan seems to get the ball moving and gets open around the basket. Might be better than Marvin just sitting in the corner for 20 minutes. Ersan will atleast try to take a charge on d instead of just letting someone run by them for a layup.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

How anyone can be critical of Khris after this series is beyond me. Guy has done everything we could've asked of him.

Have we not asked Middleton to step up and win games before lol? Considering how high Middleton fans are of him I'm not sure why performances like this one aren't expected more often.

It's kind of the problem with middleton. He's been great this year and this series playing as well as realistically expected from him but we are paying him max money and we need more.

Need more from Giannis too but that is a different story

[Jedzz]

Giannis is forcing the issue on double teams or gets the ball behind the 3p line in front of a wall of defenders because Bud can't figure a way out of this for two straight seasons. Standing still and watching Giannis against the whole Miamis/Toronto's defense with inconsistent shooters and spacing will never work.

But it works fine when Giannis isn't even playing. If they can execute offense without Giannis playing, why can't they execute it with him playing? Why are the other guys able to execute in this series when Giannis sits? Why couldn't they do that when Giannis is playing? The real answer is that Giannis has been hogging the ball in situations where he has no business having the ball at all. They'd literally be better off with him parking in the corner and drawing a defender than doing what he did in halfcourt possessions in game 3. You're completely delusional if you can't see that.

The main reason Bud is to blame is for not telling Giannis to knock it the **** off.

I think that's partly true. Giannis is really young yet and so I don't think we should expect him to be completely aware of how what he is doing at times can detract from the team offense. So the coach does need to be in his ear and that could help. Once he gets to the point where he understands that two successful possessions from him in a row should be followed up with using that earned respect to then threaten a third time but instead then drop it to someone else. That helps free up someone else finish a possession well, and that in turn starts to open him up. The coach certainly should make this part of his learning curve.

However, I think it's also partly true that some of his teammates need to also learn to play with this king and bring their utmost heart and teamplay around him, and be trusted to say make their shots when they get chances and just play with more heart even if not entirely involved enough. Someone like Middleton only getting hot because Giannis is out speaks more to how he's been riding in a lower gear while Giannis has been taking the heat. The moment Giannis isn't there Middleton kicks it up a gear and I'm thinking...wait where was this before? The 35-40 million guys don't have any excuses in my mind. Fit in and give all to your team no matter your current role.

[Pachinko_]

The book on Giannis is pretty simple. He takes shots from either 0 ft or 24 ft. Needs to learn how to pull up from 5-10 ft. That would go a long way in his game. Instead of working on 3 pointers he needs to work on Fts. Only, **** the 3 pointer.

He cant, forget it
Free throws, threes, long twos, short twos, hook shots, he can't do any of them at a level where you can rely on in a play off series.
He has been working for 10 years now, he's 26 in December, we must start assuming he is who he is at this point.

[Chuck Diesel]

If Giannis doesn’t play game five and we win...does he play game six?

[midranger]

They have a hard time staying with our “other” guys one on one. Too many times we’ve bailed them out by taking the long ass three they’re literally hoping we take or forcing Giannis to go 1 v 3 rather than making Dragic, Herro, Robinson, etc... stay with a guy coming down hill 1 v 1. Let it fly is stupid. How about “win the game”.

[drone3]

Middsamillion legend!!

[bcks fan]

How anyone can be critical of Khris after this series is beyond me. Guy has done everything we could've asked of him.

Have we not asked Middleton to step up and win games before lol? Considering how high Middleton fans are of him I'm not sure why performances like this one aren't expected more often.

I’m amazed at the people who want to anoint Khris as the second coming! Seems awfully desperate to try and justify his contract. He is not a stud. He is not a consistent winner of his own merit. In order for him to have his big games, he needs to be in the shooter zone where great shooting touch beats really good defense. He isn’t athletic enough to get good separation to create a good look. He isn’t going to blow by anyone for a dunk/and 1 at the bucket. If his shot isn’t falling, he looks pretty ugly. I’ve seen that more often than “stud” Middleton.


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[ReasonablySober]

It's been almost 20 years, but it always makes me smile when the PG thread is chill after a win.

[ejn1214]

They have a hard time staying with our “other” guys one on one. Too many times we’ve bailed them out by taking the long ass three they’re literally hoping we take or forcing Giannis to go 1 v 3 rather than making Dragic, Herro, Robinson, etc... stay with a guy coming down hill 1 v 1. Let it fly is stupid. How about “win the game”.

I believe someone mentioned on this board how bad Herro is on d, and since I heard that, by the eye test he looks bad. Seems like he is allergic to contact. I don't know why we can try to attack there. The Jazz abused Michael Porter Jr until he became unplayable in that series because of his d.

[coolhandluke121]

Giannis is forcing the issue on double teams or gets the ball behind the 3p line in front of a wall of defenders because Bud can't figure a way out of this for two straight seasons. Standing still and watching Giannis against the whole Miamis/Toronto's defense with inconsistent shooters and spacing will never work.

But it works fine when Giannis isn't even playing. If they can execute offense without Giannis playing, why can't they execute it with him playing? Why are the other guys able to execute in this series when Giannis sits? Why couldn't they do that when Giannis is playing? The real answer is that Giannis has been hogging the ball in situations where he has no business having the ball at all. They'd literally be better off with him parking in the corner and drawing a defender than doing what he did in halfcourt possessions in game 3. You're completely delusional if you can't see that.

The main reason Bud is to blame is for not telling Giannis to knock it the **** off.

I think that's partly true. Giannis is really young yet and so I don't think we should expect him to be completely aware of how what he is doing at times can detract from the team offense. So the coach does need to be in his ear and that could help. Once he gets to the point where he understands that two successful possessions from him in a row should be followed up with using that earned respect to then threaten a third time but instead then drop it to someone else. That helps free up someone else finish a possession well, and that in turn starts to open him up. The coach certainly should make this part of his learning curve.

However, I think it's also partly true that some of his teammates need to also learn to play with this king and bring their utmost heart and teamplay around hi, and be trusted to say make their shots when they get chances and just play with more heart even if not entirely involved enough. Someone like Middleton only getting hot because Giannis is out speaks more to how he's been riding in a lower geat while Giannis has been taking the heat. The moment Giannis isn't there Middleton kicks it up a gear and I'm thinking...wait where was this before? The 35-40 million guys don't have any excuses in my mind. Fit in and give all to your team no matter your current role.

Khris wasn't playing any harder today. He just got a lot more opportunities.

I agree about everyone being partly to blame for this unhealthy dynamic and needing to improve. Bud needs to coach them out of the habit. Giannis needs to give other guys the space to do their job instead of playing hero-ball. Other guys need to work a little better off the ball, but there's no reason they should have to do that while Giannis is pounding the air out of the ball behind the arc or, worse yet, eyeing a stupid 3. Management needs to realize that some of these guys just don't really have great complementary off-ball scoring in their skill-set because that's not who they are and not the role they've played for most of their careers.

So yeah, I've always said there's plenty of blame to go around, which makes it so hilarious and annoying when certain people just keep making ridiculous excuses for Giannis. I don't know how anyone who watched the first 3 games can blame everyone else more than Giannis. It was an appalling display of low IQ basketball and only the Greeks who are here for Giannis (and not for the Bucks) refuse to see it.

[msiris]

The book on Giannis is pretty simple. He takes shots from either 0 ft or 24 ft. Needs to learn how to pull up from 5-10 ft. That would go a long way in his game. Instead of working on 3 pointers he needs to work on Fts. Only, **** the 3 pointer.

He cant, forget it
Free throws, threes, long twos, short twos, hook shots, he can't do any of them at a level where you can rely on in a play off series.
He has been working for 10 years now, he's 26 in December, we must start assuming he is who he is at this point.

then you need to work him more off ball then. No standing around. Keep him moving without the ball. Keep them guessing