***Around The League 2020 Bubble Thread***

minimus · Post #261 » by **minimus** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 7:15 am

Jedzz wrote:How much does it suck having a guard that can't shoot a three? Ask Houston about Westbrook. Wide open by 10 feet in all directions and it's lucky if the ball even touches the rim or net being short. No arc to those shots, almost no shot it goes in. Wasting possessions in the 4th quarter.

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Neeva · Post #262 » by **Neeva** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 7:39 am

Murray was kind of meh last season and on his new contract was neutral value at best but he is currently on a nice hot streak.

minimus · Post #263 » by **minimus** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 8:38 am

Neeva wrote:Murray was kind of meh last season and on his new contract was neutral value at best but he is currently on a nice hot streak.

Yes, he is an example of diligent player development process.

KGdaBom · Post #264 » by **KGdaBom** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 10:26 am

Murray was my preferred player in the draft we took Dunn. The very strong consensus was Dunn was the better choice. Murray was good as Neeva mentioned, but no big deal at all. Now all of a sudden he's supposedly a superstar. Time will tell. I don't buy it.

Rookie-Mistake · Post #265 » by **Rookie-Mistake** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:27 am

If these playoffs have highlighted something it's that if you can't shoot, you will be found out. This is what fundamentally scares me about taking Edwards in the draft.

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Post #266 » by **Domejandro** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:28 am

Rookie-Mistake wrote:If these playoffs have highlighted something it's that if you can't shoot, you will be found out. This is what fundamentally scares me about taking Edwards in the draft.

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Edwards isn't a bad shooter, though, his major issues are not shooting related.

minimus · Post #267 » by **minimus** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:56 am

Rookie-Mistake wrote:If these playoffs have highlighted something it's that if you can't shoot, you will be found out. This is what fundamentally scares me about taking Edwards in the draft.

I'd say that three point shooting is the most impactful weapon right now. Players can still impact the game without shooting, see Butler, Bam, as they contribute in many areas such as defense, rebounding, passing. On other hand, you must be an elite shooter to impact game, move well off the ball, play within team offense.

Jedzz · Post #268 » by **Jedzz** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 12:57 pm

Rookie-Mistake wrote:If these playoffs have highlighted something it's that if you can't shoot, you will be found out. This is what fundamentally scares me about taking Edwards in the draft.

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That's what the game comes down to and has been my point for years now each draft. Start with that already as a known skill and everything else can be learned.

Jedzz · Post #269 » by **Jedzz** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 12:59 pm

Domejandro wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:If these playoffs have highlighted something it's that if you can't shoot, you will be found out. This is what fundamentally scares me about taking Edwards in the draft.

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Edwards isn't a bad shooter, though, his major issues are not shooting related.

He's a great looking shooter they say. Perfect form I've heard. Just that pesky issue of missing 70% of shots over time.

TheProdigy · Post #270 » by **TheProdigy** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:02 pm

Rookie-Mistake wrote:If these playoffs have highlighted something it's that if you can't shoot, you will be found out. This is what fundamentally scares me about taking Edwards in the draft.

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I'm more concerned about LaMelo Ball's shot than Edwards'. At least Edwards has good form. Ball's shot looks like a middle schooler's.

minimus · Post #271 » by **minimus** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:05 pm

TheProdigy wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:If these playoffs have highlighted something it's that if you can't shoot, you will be found out. This is what fundamentally scares me about taking Edwards in the draft.

I'm more concerned about LaMelo Ball's shot than Edwards'. At least Edwards has good form. Ball's shot looks like a middle schooler's.

Edwards also has more balance when he shoots, he also seems to be a promising slasher

minimus · Post #272 » by **minimus** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:06 pm

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I remember some MIN fans said that Westbrook is a good PG for MIN

Neeva · Post #273 » by **Neeva** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:07 pm

TheProdigy wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:If these playoffs have highlighted something it's that if you can't shoot, you will be found out. This is what fundamentally scares me about taking Edwards in the draft.

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I'm more concerned about LaMelo Ball's shot than Edwards'. At least Edwards has good form. Ball's shot looks like a middle schooler's.

Not to mention his defense , it will
be unsolvable.

KGdaBom · Post #274 » by **KGdaBom** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:09 pm

Domejandro wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:If these playoffs have highlighted something it's that if you can't shoot, you will be found out. This is what fundamentally scares me about taking Edwards in the draft.

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Edwards isn't a bad shooter, though, his major issues are not shooting related.

When his shot goes in at 40% 29% from three you can't say his issues are not shooting related. The form may look good, but if they don't go in then he does have shooting related issues.

KGdaBom · Post #275 » by **KGdaBom** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:11 pm

TheProdigy wrote:
Rookie-Mistake wrote:If these playoffs have highlighted something it's that if you can't shoot, you will be found out. This is what fundamentally scares me about taking Edwards in the draft.

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I'm more concerned about LaMelo Ball's shot than Edwards'. At least Edwards has good form. Ball's shot looks like a middle schooler's.

Ball's shot is broken beyond repair. Edwards with his good form and utilizing better shot selection could make major improvement.

KGdaBom · Post #276 » by **KGdaBom** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:13 pm

minimus wrote:

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I remember some MIN fans said that Westbrook is a good PG for MIN

Westbrook despite his jump shooting weakness has had a very good year by compensating with what he's very good at. He gets to the rim, plays D, assists, and rebounds. He's struggling at the moment.

minimus · Post #277 » by **minimus** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:23 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:

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I remember some MIN fans said that Westbrook is a good PG for MIN

Westbrook despite his jump shooting weakness has had a very good year by compensating with what he's very good at. He gets to the rim, plays D, assists, and rebounds. He's struggling at the moment.

His game is build around exceptional athletic skills. However, he developed zero basketball awareness during his NBA career, he is already 31yo, shoot first-comboguard, with no jumpshot, no passing game, with 3 yrs left of his 206mil/5yrs contact.

Right now he struggles because he comes after latest injury, which is kind of expected since he is an injury prone player. Still dont see context?

Jedzz · Post #278 » by **Jedzz** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:36 pm

TheProdigy wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:I'm shocked. Somehow despite being the taller team the Lakers pulled off a huge upset win tonight. How did that happen?

Probably because the Lakers went with a smaller line-up themselves. McGee and Howard only played a combined 8 minutes.

As if Lebron and Davis can be considered small ball. McGee left game after 8 minutes due to ankle injury. Howard DNP CD however definitely goes to your point. His foot speed isn't there. Maybe that was why the decision was made.

I actually think the Lakers only lose games when they try to emulate their opponents. Sort of overlooking teams and toying with them. After a loss they come back asserting their will in the paint again. But this game also just seemed to be all about making shots no matter where they came from. 57% FG overall to 45% overall. Houston doesn't have the luxury of missing much of their shots. Lakers inside game is just too high of probability of successful possessions. 2s can beat 3s

I wanted to see if the Lakers can beat them when Houston is shooting warm and I think they did that this game 2. Aside from Westbrook, Houston was shooting well from outside. Mearly everyone else was shooting 50%.

If the Wolves' future surrounds the 3pt shot, I look at Houston's 53 3FG attempts at the team's 41.5% and now realize that isn't enough alone against a team like the Lakers. They need to be able to defend the paint at least a little. I'd like to think someone like Towns could make that difference but it's not like defense is his best strength. But he's getting more capable as the years climb.

KGdaBom · Post #279 » by **KGdaBom** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 1:58 pm

minimus wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:

Read on Twitter

I remember some MIN fans said that Westbrook is a good PG for MIN

Westbrook despite his jump shooting weakness has had a very good year by compensating with what he's very good at. He gets to the rim, plays D, assists, and rebounds. He's struggling at the moment.

His game is build around exceptional athletic skills. However, he developed zero basketball awareness during his NBA career, he is already 31yo, shoot first-comboguard, with no jumpshot, no passing game, with 3 yrs left of his 206mil/5yrs contact.

Right now he struggles because he comes after latest injury, which is kind of expected since he is an injury prone player. Still dont see context?

Zero basketball awareness and no passing game for a guy who has led the NBA in assists and averaged 10 rebounds per game from the PG position. Rebounding is all about awareness. What does the amount of his contract have to do with his impact as a basketball player. Minimus your bias just blinds you so often. You're a good guy, but you seldom let go of your bias and see things clearly.

minimus · Post #280 » by **minimus** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 2:57 pm

KGdaBom wrote:
minimus wrote:
KGdaBom wrote:Westbrook despite his jump shooting weakness has had a very good year by compensating with what he's very good at. He gets to the rim, plays D, assists, and rebounds. He's struggling at the moment.

His game is build around exceptional athletic skills. However, he developed zero basketball awareness during his NBA career, he is already 31yo, shoot first-comboguard, with no jumpshot, no passing game, with 3 yrs left of his 206mil/5yrs contact.

Right now he struggles because he comes after latest injury, which is kind of expected since he is an injury prone player. Still dont see context?

Zero basketball awareness and no passing game for a guy who has led the NBA in assists and averaged 10 rebounds per game from the PG position. Rebounding is all about awareness. What does the amount of his contract have to do with his impact as a basketball player. Minimus your bias just blinds you so often. You're a good guy, but you seldom let go of your bias and see things clearly.

Oh no, here we go again.

1) in Russ case it is not called awareness, it is called stats padding: stealing rebounds from teammates, throwing multiple times the ball without reading defense. He runs like a deer, he jumps like a deer, he thinks like a deer. Everybody has been laughing on it, you seem to be late, but no worries, watch actual games and join the party.

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2) Have you ever wondered why OKC with washed up CP3 looked better in playoffs than OKC with Russ and PG13? Why this year Westbrook advanced to the second-round for the first time since 2016? Why both KD and PG13 left OKC as soon as another option became realistic?

3) Westbrook indeed plays his best season. But again, context is important. Morey overhauled HOU roster to fit Westbrook.