Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[phillynative]

Who we bring in on vet minimum deal is pretty low on the priority list, and will be more dictated by our other big picture moves. Lance is not a great locker room guy, an inconsistent shooter, out of the league for a reason. He’s not a player on my radar at all, I don’t think he brings any positive value for this team even as a 12th man.

Never said he was a priority and yes he can be inconsistent shooter but who on this team isnt. Let him come off the bench to instill some toughness and defense. Something this current team lacks. He could be mike scotts replacement who was also a inconsistent shooter while not being able to defend anyone.

Who do you consider a great locker room guy?

[ankle420breaker]

Who we bring in on vet minimum deal is pretty low on the priority list, and will be more dictated by our other big picture moves. Lance is not a great locker room guy, an inconsistent shooter, out of the league for a reason. He’s not a player on my radar at all, I don’t think he brings any positive value for this team even as a 12th man.

Never said he was a priority and yes he can be inconsistent shooter but who on this team isnt. Let him come off the bench to instill some toughness and defense. Something this current team lacks. He could be mike scotts replacement who was also a inconsistent shooter while not being able to defend anyone.

Who do you consider a great locker room guy?

Lance brings the bad along with the good, but can be an x-factor guy who can help get you a win here and there. I could care less if we're talking about a 15th man.

We built the current roster out of full supposed good locker room guys and strong defensive players. Clearly a failed philosophy as our locker room morale isn't the healthiest and we're weak defensively. It wouldn't be a terrible thing to have a talented joker in the deck.

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[zimpy27]

You guys should really keep Harris. He's a nice fit with Ben and Embiid if philly would just get two starting level guards that hit 3s well and one needs to playmake.

Should be looking at the many ways that JRich and Horford can be flipped for that.

[Negrodamus]

You guys should really keep Harris. He's a nice fit with Ben and Embiid if philly would just get two starting level guards that hit 3s well and one needs to playmake.

Should be looking at the many ways that JRich and Horford can be flipped for that.

I think you should watch some of our games to see how completely out of sync Harris is within this offense. It's four guys running a play followed by ISO hero-ball by Harris who isn't good enough to be creating. He doesn't make sense for our offense.

[the_process]

Tobias, Korkmaz, two 2nds for Kevin Love

Horford, Richardson, Scott for Hield, Barnes, & Parker.

Sign Teague (MLE), Josh Jackson, and Willie Hernangomez.

Embiid/Hernangomez/Pelle
Love/Parker
Barnes/Thybulle
Hield/Milton/Jackson
Simmons/Teague



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^ That's the 4 PF lineup again. Simmons and Jo should be playing with a wing and 2 guards. Or at least 2 wings and a guard. That's why it's imperative to move Tobias. Horford can be used strictly as a backup C but there's nowhere to hide Tobias, who is not a wing.

[DT RAW]

Horford and jrich for barnes and heild interests me a lot tbh

Only negative in this is it keeps simmons as PG when he cant create but it atleast spreads the floor and allows tobias to be the 4.

Would absolutely need to get a vet PG with the MLE like teague. Someone that can drive into the paint and hit open 3s.

Play simmons as the backup 5 so he isnt hogging all the PG duties. Something like 16 of his min at center behind embiid and his other 18 min at PG and leaves 30 minutes for a real half court PG.

Man idk if detroit would come off rose but getting rose for that 26 to 30 mpg at pg off the bench would be great

Trade picks to detroit for rose? Picks and scott maybe?

Embiid(33)/simmons(15)
Harris(34)/Barnes(14)
Barnes(18)/thybulle(24)/shake(6)
Heild(33)/shake(15)
Simmons(19)/Rose(29)

Thats a nice 8 man playoff rotation with a lot of shooting and shot creating fixed with rose.

Might be pretty realistic too

[skulky]

Great locker room guys? Obviously that’s a hard question for us to answer as outsiders, but Marcus smart, Lowry, dame, haslem.

I think it’s easier to say who is not with players that even though organizations keep things close to the vest still have controversies and red flags leak out.

I think biggest priority is moving horford, with minimal assets for some combo of player(s) that fit better. I don’t think we will be able to move Tobias, but I think he can be utilized a lot better at the 4, or even small ball lineups with Ben and Tobias as the bigs.

The other major issues are shot creation and shooting. We need at least a combo guard capable of getting their own shot in the playoffs. We have some assets to move to find a better fit with Richardson, Thybulle, Shake, and zhaire (who is mostly salary filler at this point).

[DT RAW]

Great locker room guys? Obviously that’s a hard question for us to answer as outsiders, but Marcus smart, Lowry, dame, haslem.

I think it’s easier to say who is not with players that even though organizations keep things close to the vest still have controversies and red flags leak out.

I think biggest priority is moving horford, with minimal assets for some combo of player(s) that fit better. I don’t think we will be able to move Tobias, but I think he can be utilized a lot better at the 4, or even small ball lineups with Ben and Tobias as the bigs.

The other major issues are shot creation and shooting. We need at least a combo guard capable of getting their own shot in the playoffs. We have some assets to move to find a better fit with Richardson, Thybulle, Shake, and zhaire (who is mostly salary filler at this point).

agree.

Wasnt Tobias having an amazing season with the clippers as the PnR ball handler? That is how he needs to be utilized more. Go get Drose, I cant imagine him being hard to get with being on his last year with detroit, with them doing no where fast. Drose is perfect for us off the bench in a 30 mpg role as the attacking PG we need, and if I'm not mistaken, his 3 pt shooting was pretty solid last year as well.

This will allow Simmons to start, but his minutes are split up between "point guard" and center. We cant play him at PF because we then have 2 players at all times that arent outside threats. We need to minimize that as much as possible.

Hopefully the new coach, likely lue, tells embiid to drop 30 or 40 pounds and get thin and be ready to be a PnR center with the ability to be a spot up shooter.

[Sam Hinkie]

Who says no?

hornets

batum 27,130,434
zeller 15,415,730

outgoing 42,546,164


harris 33,517,241
barnes 22,215,909
Phi 1st

incoming 55,733,150
Net 13,186,986
-----

kings

barnes 22,215,909
bjelica 7,150,000
hield 24,431,818

outgoing 53,797,727

horford 27,500,000
richardson 10,800,000
mike scott 5,005,350

incoming 43,305,350
Net -10,492,377
----------

sixers

richardson 10,800,000
harris 33,517,241
horford 27,500,000
mike scott 5,005,350
Zhaire Smith 3,204,600
Phi 1st

outgoing 80,027,191

CP3 41,358,814
bjelica 7,150,000
hield 24,431,818

incoming 72,940,632
Net -7,086,559
----
thunder

CP3 41,358,814

outgoing 41,358,814

zeller 15,415,730
batum 27,130,434
Zhaire Smith 3,204,600

incoming 45,750,764
Net 4,391,950
-----

Depth Chart:

PG: Chris Paul, Shake Milton
SG: Buddy Hield, Furkan Korkmaz
SF: Matisse Thybulle
PF: Ben Simmons, Bjelica
C: Joel Embiid

I think this team just works so much better. And we save our cheap owners lots of money.

[youngcrev]

Harris isn't a good pick and roll player ball handler unless you are just looking for a midrange pull up. He's fairly good at that, which is why his PnR ball handler scoring stats were good with the Clippers, but that's not good offense in general.

[skulky]

Who says no?

hornets

batum 27,130,434
zeller 15,415,730

outgoing 42,546,164


harris 33,517,241
barnes 22,215,909
Phi 1st

incoming 55,733,150
Net 13,186,986
-----

kings

barnes 22,215,909
bjelica 7,150,000
hield 24,431,818

outgoing 53,797,727

horford 27,500,000
richardson 10,800,000
mike scott 5,005,350

incoming 43,305,350
Net -10,492,377
----------

sixers

richardson 10,800,000
harris 33,517,241
horford 27,500,000
mike scott 5,005,350
Zhaire Smith 3,204,600
Phi 1st

outgoing 80,027,191

CP3 41,358,814
bjelica 7,150,000
hield 24,431,818

incoming 72,940,632
Net -7,086,559
----
thunder

CP3 41,358,814

outgoing 41,358,814

zeller 15,415,730
batum 27,130,434
Zhaire Smith 3,204,600

incoming 45,750,764
Net 4,391,950
-----

Depth Chart:

PG: Chris Paul, Shake Milton
SG: Buddy Hield, Furkan Korkmaz
SF: Matisse Thybulle
PF: Ben Simmons, Bjelica
C: Joel Embiid

I think this team just works so much better. And we save our cheap owners lots of money.

Everyone hangs up on philly and says don’t call us again.

So Charlotte should take on 55-60 million the next 4 seasons for the 21st pick? That is abhorrently bad

There is no sweetener for Sacramento, horford is a negative asset and Richardson/Scott are just expirings. They can and will get more for hield.

Okc is not trading cp3 for expirings and zhaire Smith. Zhaire is a complete non factor in any trade.

[zimpy27]

You guys should really keep Harris. He's a nice fit with Ben and Embiid if philly would just get two starting level guards that hit 3s well and one needs to playmake.

Should be looking at the many ways that JRich and Horford can be flipped for that.

I think you should watch some of our games to see how completely out of sync Harris is within this offense. It's four guys running a play followed by ISO hero-ball by Harris who isn't good enough to be creating. He doesn't make sense for our offense.

That's a coaching issue, Harris can iso and that's a strength of his but it's up to the coach to ensure that the players don't just rest on their strengths at the cost of the team.

Harris is great in the full court offense transition with Simmons. Philly have problems in the half-court because of the lack of 3 shooters around Simmons and Embiid and it's pushing Harris to go iso to salvage it.

A half-court playmaker and knockdown 3-shooters is all Philly needs to get from Horford and J-Rich. It will make them a team like last season where they were a basket from the championship just about.

[skulky]

Harris isn't a good pick and roll player ball handler unless you are just looking for a midrange pull up. He's fairly good at that, which is why his PnR ball handler scoring stats were good with the Clippers, but that's not good offense in general.

Harris is a good pnr player though. There’s ample evidence from his time on the clippers and previous stops. We ran an awful offense under brown. It was such a mess last season. Watching other teams in the playoffs is such a pleasure after what we were subjected to all year.

Moving Harris to the 4 full time puts him in a much better position to succeed, as well as acquiring a dynamic guard. Harris being able to get efficient mid range shots is not a bad thing come playoff time. Harris is way overpaid but not a bad player. We were a disaster in the playoffs with no guards. I also think the Hayward injury low key made it actually harder for us having to have Harris/horford on brown, where as I think they could hold their own on Hayward.

I also just think that Harris’ contract is so bad it will cost us too much to get off it, and would he provided vs what we have to give up is not worth it. So I’m of the mindset we need to figure out how to utilize him best.

[Negrodamus]

If Harris was decent at C&S opportunities, especially from three, we'd have a much better offense. He was atrocious in the playoffs at that. His value was getting tip backs on hustle plays. I don't think he's a lost cause as a player, but if your team is relying on him to create the offense, then that team is not really going to go far. He's not good enough on defense to justify his bad offensive play, unlike how Jimmy was at times last year.

I view Tobias as one of those players that kept teams floating in mediocrity for 5 years because he's good enough to score a ton of points and win a few games, but inefficient enough to not take the team any farther. I hope he can figure out a better way to acclimate to the team.

As far as trading him, I just don't see it happening. Horford feels more likely, but I don't think Elton even wants to trade him either.

[76ciology]

Who says no?

hornets

batum 27,130,434
zeller 15,415,730

outgoing 42,546,164


harris 33,517,241
barnes 22,215,909
Phi 1st

incoming 55,733,150
Net 13,186,986
-----

kings

barnes 22,215,909
bjelica 7,150,000
hield 24,431,818

outgoing 53,797,727

horford 27,500,000
richardson 10,800,000
mike scott 5,005,350

incoming 43,305,350
Net -10,492,377
----------

sixers

richardson 10,800,000
harris 33,517,241
horford 27,500,000
mike scott 5,005,350
Zhaire Smith 3,204,600
Phi 1st

outgoing 80,027,191

CP3 41,358,814
bjelica 7,150,000
hield 24,431,818

incoming 72,940,632
Net -7,086,559
----
thunder

CP3 41,358,814

outgoing 41,358,814

zeller 15,415,730
batum 27,130,434
Zhaire Smith 3,204,600

incoming 45,750,764
Net 4,391,950
-----

Depth Chart:

PG: Chris Paul, Shake Milton
SG: Buddy Hield, Furkan Korkmaz
SF: Matisse Thybulle
PF: Ben Simmons, Bjelica
C: Joel Embiid

I think this team just works so much better. And we save our cheap owners lots of money.

Given how the owners approved to overpay Tobi and Horford. Actually, it looks like that the fans are cheaper than the owners.

[VDT]

Harris should be a 3rd/4th option and most of his shots should be assisted. I dont think he wants to be that but maybe his more willing now that he got paid.

Beyond that the Sixers need a perimeter player to make plays, and create for others. Without that, getting more shooters doesn't make sense.

[youngcrev]

Harris isn't a good pick and roll player ball handler unless you are just looking for a midrange pull up. He's fairly good at that, which is why his PnR ball handler scoring stats were good with the Clippers, but that's not good offense in general.

Harris is a good pnr player though. There’s ample evidence from his time on the clippers and previous stops. We ran an awful offense under brown. It was such a mess last season. Watching other teams in the playoffs is such a pleasure after what we were subjected to all year.

Moving Harris to the 4 full time puts him in a much better position to succeed, as well as acquiring a dynamic guard. Harris being able to get efficient mid range shots is not a bad thing come playoff time. Harris is way overpaid but not a bad player. We were a disaster in the playoffs with no guards. I also think the Hayward injury low key made it actually harder for us having to have Harris/horford on brown, where as I think they could hold their own on Hayward.

I also just think that Harris’ contract is so bad it will cost us too much to get off it, and would he provided vs what we have to give up is not worth it. So I’m of the mindset we need to figure out how to utilize him best.

But he's really not, and there isn't ample evidence. He had more PnR possessions this year than any other season but last year's stint in LA (the same stint where he was having an outlier season from 3).

All those PnR ball handler stats on NBA.com tell you is that he's scored efficiently compared to league average out of those sets (in previous years that is). He's got the pull up jumper component down, he's just not good at making reads, passing, dribbling or getting to the line. Those are some pretty major components if you're talking about making it a major part of your offense. The actual efficient shots created out of pick and roll sets are for the roll man or an open corner 3 off a collapse.

[Arsenal]

Harris isn't a good pick and roll player ball handler unless you are just looking for a midrange pull up. He's fairly good at that, which is why his PnR ball handler scoring stats were good with the Clippers, but that's not good offense in general.

Harris is a good pnr player though. There’s ample evidence from his time on the clippers and previous stops. We ran an awful offense under brown. It was such a mess last season. Watching other teams in the playoffs is such a pleasure after what we were subjected to all year.

Moving Harris to the 4 full time puts him in a much better position to succeed, as well as acquiring a dynamic guard. Harris being able to get efficient mid range shots is not a bad thing come playoff time. Harris is way overpaid but not a bad player. We were a disaster in the playoffs with no guards. I also think the Hayward injury low key made it actually harder for us having to have Harris/horford on brown, where as I think they could hold their own on Hayward.

I also just think that Harris’ contract is so bad it will cost us too much to get off it, and would he provided vs what we have to give up is not worth it. So I’m of the mindset we need to figure out how to utilize him best.

But he's really not, and there isn't ample evidence. He had more PnR possessions this year than any other season but last year's stint in LA (the same stint where he was having an outlier season from 3).

All those PnR ball handler stats on NBA.com tell you is that he's scored efficiently compared to league average out of those sets (in previous years that is). He's got the pull up jumper component down, he's just not good at making reads, passing, dribbling or getting to the line. Those are some pretty major components if you're talking about making it a major part of your offense. The actual efficient shots created out of pick and roll sets are for the roll man or an open corner 3 off a collapse.

Exactly. One of the biggest negatives of Tobi's game is that he has blinders. Zero court vision. Can only create for himself.

There's no chance you can build a winning offense around that.

[Arsenal]

Harris should be a 3rd/4th option and most of his shots should be assisted. I dont think he wants to be that but maybe his more willing now that he got paid.

Beyond that the Sixers need a perimeter player to make plays, and create for others. Without that, getting more shooters doesn't make sense.

Harris is turrible at playing off others. Witness his atrocious performance on catch and shoots in the playoffs (and in season too). He's an atrocious fit with Embiid and Simmons for that reason alone.

[Arsenal]

If Harris was decent at C&S opportunities, especially from three, we'd have a much better offense. He was atrocious in the playoffs at that. His value was getting tip backs on hustle plays. I don't think he's a lost cause as a player, but if your team is relying on him to create the offense, then that team is not really going to go far. He's not good enough on defense to justify his bad offensive play, unlike how Jimmy was at times last year.

I view Tobias as one of those players that kept teams floating in mediocrity for 5 years because he's good enough to score a ton of points and win a few games, but inefficient enough to not take the team any farther. I hope he can figure out a better way to acclimate to the team.

As far as trading him, I just don't see it happening. Horford feels more likely, but I don't think Elton even wants to trade him either.

Agree 100%. Harris is a bad fit but we're stuck w/him. Horford's contract is slightly less terrible and he's a decent/good player when not forced into a lineup with Simmons and Embiid, so we have a chance to salvage something for him.

Our only hope is that Harris improves to become somewhat useful playing off Simmons and Embiid to the point where he can rehab his value. As soon as that happens we need to dump him.