All Giannis does is travel, charge to the hole and can’t play in half court set. How is he in top 5 NBA players talks?

[AntetokounmBros]

He started game 2 (his team down 0-1) with 3 airballs. Name another MVP to ever do that. That's why Shaq is Shaq and Giannis is just Andre Roberson on mega steroids.

He set the tone for their win tonight, packing the paint & grabbing anything he missed.

OK, well name an MVP to start a game with 2 airballs in a playoff game? His misses remind me of a 5th grade boys game where balls are just clanging off the backboard. He's not remotely close. The makes seem like pure luck.

He's horrible at basketball is all I'm saying. He's a ridiculous athlete and keeps himself in insane shape. But other than being able to touch the floor with his feet while dunking and move like a shooting guard he has the skills of a high schooler. His shot is completely **** broken. He's either got to be a teams center or learn to either dribble, shoot or pass. I think he'd make an insane rim running center, and there aren't many teams that can punish him on the other end by posting him up given how the rules for post play are now.

I never understood the people who think he can’t dribble or pass. He’s a 7 footer who can dribble like a guard, and his passing is great at times, although he still makes some poor decisions.

He’s a bad shooter, and he relies too much on forcing his way to the rim because it’s worked for him the majority of his career. The former is a lack of skill, and the latter is what people mistake for lack of skill.

[nedleeds]

He set the tone for their win tonight, packing the paint & grabbing anything he missed.

OK, well name an MVP to start a game with 2 airballs in a playoff game? His misses remind me of a 5th grade boys game where balls are just clanging off the backboard. He's not remotely close. The makes seem like pure luck.

He's horrible at basketball is all I'm saying. He's a ridiculous athlete and keeps himself in insane shape. But other than being able to touch the floor with his feet while dunking and move like a shooting guard he has the skills of a high schooler. His shot is completely **** broken. He's either got to be a teams center or learn to either dribble, shoot or pass. I think he'd make an insane rim running center, and there aren't many teams that can punish him on the other end by posting him up given how the rules for post play are now.

I never understood the people who think he can’t dribble or pass. He’s a 7 footer who can dribble like a guard, and his passing is great at times, although he still makes some poor decisions.

He’s a bad shooter, and he relies too much on forcing his way to the rim because it’s worked for him the majority of his career. The former is a lack of skill, and the latter is what people mistake for lack of skill.

What guard's dribbling skills ... Danny Green? He has 2 moves, carry the ball and euro and hope defender guesses wrong or it's a charge. And spin left to right. He has absolutely no advanced dribble moves, in fact he hardly dribbles at all he mostly picks his dribble up and walks. He can't even take hard dribble one way and come back through his legs or behind his back to evade the charge. His handle is terrible. His passing is terrible, once he goes into his move he is so off balance and his head is down he can't even attempt a pass. He's a 7 footer with guard quickness and running ability that can basically dunk without jumping. He should just be a completely maxxed out version of Clint Capela.

[The Box Office]

Maybe people want him to develop skills outside of barreling into opponents and cut down on the travels and offensive fouls in the process? Or maybe they want him to demand the ball in crunch time as the best player and put his team on his back like any other MVP would? You can’t be the best player and then vanish when the lights aren’t the brightest. Beating up on the Knicks and Bulls in the RS is nice for accolades but the real masters show up in the postseason.

-In 2019 playoffs, Giannis led them to the Conference Finals. Out of the 15 games regarding "plus minus" box score, Giannis was a negative player in just 3 of them. To me, he showed up. Obviously, Bucks had Malcolm Brogdon to help out.

- In this year's playoffs, Giannis' 9 games sample, he's a negative player in just 3 games. He's been putting the team on his back. His stats and advanced metrics show that, too. Very difficult to win without Malcolm Brogdon. Khris Middleton is emerging big time, but he's not enough.

Where is the Third Man? The Bucks don't have it. George Hill? DiVincenzo? Eric Bledsoe? It's a poorly constructed team.

Maybe this.
Maybe that.

The same stuff was said about LeBron years ago when he was with the Heat. Look how that turned out. It's all BS that doesn't matter.

He should stop taking so many three pointers. His misses hurt the team.

[AntetokounmBros]

OK, well name an MVP to start a game with 2 airballs in a playoff game? His misses remind me of a 5th grade boys game where balls are just clanging off the backboard. He's not remotely close. The makes seem like pure luck.

He's horrible at basketball is all I'm saying. He's a ridiculous athlete and keeps himself in insane shape. But other than being able to touch the floor with his feet while dunking and move like a shooting guard he has the skills of a high schooler. His shot is completely **** broken. He's either got to be a teams center or learn to either dribble, shoot or pass. I think he'd make an insane rim running center, and there aren't many teams that can punish him on the other end by posting him up given how the rules for post play are now.

I never understood the people who think he can’t dribble or pass. He’s a 7 footer who can dribble like a guard, and his passing is great at times, although he still makes some poor decisions.

He’s a bad shooter, and he relies too much on forcing his way to the rim because it’s worked for him the majority of his career. The former is a lack of skill, and the latter is what people mistake for lack of skill.

What guard's dribbling skills ... Danny Green? He has 2 moves, carry the ball and euro and hope defender guesses wrong or it's a charge. And spin left to right. He has absolutely no advanced dribble moves, in fact he hardly dribbles at all he mostly picks his dribble up and walks. He can't even take hard dribble one way and come back through his legs or behind his back to evade the charge. His handle is terrible. His passing is terrible, once he goes into his move he is so off balance and his head is down he can't even attempt a pass. He's a 7 footer with guard quickness and running ability that can basically dunk without jumping. He should just be a completely maxxed out version of Clint Capela.

Just off the top of my head...but lots of other examples if you watch him on a regular basis. What other guys his size can dribble like him?

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[SoulJah]

When you average like 30, 13 and 7 on ultra efficiency and your team has the best record in the NBA you not only deserve to be in the top 5, but you are also arguably the best.

He's also the only superstar that doesn't have another legitimate star next to him.

Kawhi has George.

Lebron has AD.

Harden has Westbrook.

Curry has Klay.

Middleton is not near what players like George, AD, Westbrook and Klay are. If Giannis had anyone of those guys next to him the Bucks probably win the chip.

Lebron couldn't win a chip until he had Wade and Bosh and then Kyrie and Love alongside him. Until he gets players of that caliber next to him, it's going to be tough, because he isn't a guy who can close out a game with his lack of consistent outside shooting.

Close this thread.

Thank you. As for traveling, I think your casual fans don't watch LeBron play. His so call freight train drive-in are 99% travels. Give Giannis another perennial all-star or hall-of-fame like LeBron and Curry have and we'll see the difference. He's literally a one-man show in that team. This is what happens when you have a bunch of role players who over-perform in the regular season, they sink back to their level in the playoffs.

[Pablo Escobar]

His handles are weak as well. They're so mechanical when he tries to break someone off the dribble it's hilarious.

[Lunartic]

Wow.

There was no f*cks given. Giannis, the walking most efficient player to win back to back Defensive Player of the Year, and 2 time league MVP is NOW not even Top 5 today?

What do you want Giannis to do?
- Shave his side burns?
- Have a spelling contest on his last name?
- Admit that he watches Dr. Stone anime while hating on Naruto and Boruto?
- He shouldn't be lifting, brah?
- That he still hasn't watched Tenet yet because Nolan has thin character development and too much focus on his gimmick?

Like, what?

I bet the posters who are hating are purposely doing this on RealGM to drive down his trade value to get Giannis on their real favorite team.

Maybe people want him to develop skills outside of barreling into opponents and cut down on the travels and offensive fouls in the process? Or maybe they want him to demand the ball in crunch time as the best player and put his team on his back like any other MVP would? You can’t be the best player and then vanish when the lights aren’t the brightest. Beating up on the Knicks and Bulls in the RS is nice for accolades but the real masters show up in the postseason.

I haven’t seen Tenet but I thought Dunkirk was a money-grab, bore-a-thon so I have my reservations on this one.

Tenet is bad, the sound mixing is such trash you miss 80% of the dialogue and the action is atrocious as much Nolan movies are.
It's an attractive movie but not a very good one.

also Giannis is the least skilled MVP in modern NBA history.

[Lunartic]

When you average like 30, 13 and 7 on ultra efficiency and your team has the best record in the NBA you not only deserve to be in the top 5, but you are also arguably the best.

He's also the only superstar that doesn't have another legitimate star next to him.

Kawhi has George.

Lebron has AD.

Harden has Westbrook.

Curry has Klay.

Middleton is not near what players like George, AD, Westbrook and Klay are. If Giannis had anyone of those guys next to him the Bucks probably win the chip.

Lebron couldn't win a chip until he had Wade and Bosh and then Kyrie and Love alongside him. Until he gets players of that caliber next to him, it's going to be tough, because he isn't a guy who can close out a game with his lack of consistent outside shooting.

Close this thread.

Question -

Who is the better player?


20/6/6 .520TS
19/7/4 .490TS
15/8/4 .417TS

That is Middleton , Paul George and Westbrook respectively

Middleton is clearly performing better than PG the star next to Kawhi and Westbrook the star next to Harden.

Why are they experiencing more success with lesser players than Giannis? Not to mention the Rockets are playing OKC/Lakers and the Clippers Mavs/Nuggets, teams all comparable or better than the Magic/Heat

The Bucks managed to win their first game against the Heat when not-a-star Middleton almost single-handedly beat them. Something Giannis has been unable to do. We have a Giannis problem.

[Mauro Pedrosa]

Wow.

There was no f*cks given. Giannis, the walking most efficient player to win back to back Defensive Player of the Year, and 2 time league MVP is NOW not even Top 5 today?

What do you want Giannis to do?
- Shave his side burns?
- Have a spelling contest on his last name?
- Admit that he watches Dr. Stone anime while hating on Naruto and Boruto?
- He shouldn't be lifting, brah?
- That he still hasn't watched Tenet yet because Nolan has thin character development and too much focus on his gimmick?

Like, what?

I bet the posters who are hating are purposely doing this on RealGM to drive down his trade value to get Giannis on their real favorite team.

Maybe people want him to develop skills outside of barreling into opponents and cut down on the travels and offensive fouls in the process? Or maybe they want him to demand the ball in crunch time as the best player and put his team on his back like any other MVP would? You can’t be the best player and then vanish when the lights aren’t the brightest. Beating up on the Knicks and Bulls in the RS is nice for accolades but the real masters show up in the postseason.

I haven’t seen Tenet but I thought Dunkirk was a money-grab, bore-a-thon so I have my reservations on this one.

PREACH.

Tenet is also overly long, but has some decent humor. 6/10

[Metallikid]

When you average like 30, 13 and 7 on ultra efficiency and your team has the best record in the NBA you not only deserve to be in the top 5, but you are also arguably the best.

He's also the only superstar that doesn't have another legitimate star next to him.

Kawhi has George.

Lebron has AD.

Harden has Westbrook.

Curry has Klay.

Middleton is not near what players like George, AD, Westbrook and Klay are. If Giannis had anyone of those guys next to him the Bucks probably win the chip.

Lebron couldn't win a chip until he had Wade and Bosh and then Kyrie and Love alongside him. Until he gets players of that caliber next to him, it's going to be tough, because he isn't a guy who can close out a game with his lack of consistent outside shooting.

Close this thread.

I would argue that Middleton is definitely a better player than Klay.

I love how Middleton finally has a great playoff game and fans on here are acting like he's better than Klay.

Classic overreaction.

I'm not a recency bias kind of guy. I would have said he was better last season too. He's a pretty good rebounder and he is a fairly good passer as well. He's also got great percentages and has more of a mid range game. It's not a huge advantage but it's an advantage.

[D.Brasco]

I never understood the people who think he can’t dribble or pass. He’s a 7 footer who can dribble like a guard, and his passing is great at times, although he still makes some poor decisions.

He’s a bad shooter, and he relies too much on forcing his way to the rim because it’s worked for him the majority of his career. The former is a lack of skill, and the latter is what people mistake for lack of skill.

What guard's dribbling skills ... Danny Green? He has 2 moves, carry the ball and euro and hope defender guesses wrong or it's a charge. And spin left to right. He has absolutely no advanced dribble moves, in fact he hardly dribbles at all he mostly picks his dribble up and walks. He can't even take hard dribble one way and come back through his legs or behind his back to evade the charge. His handle is terrible. His passing is terrible, once he goes into his move he is so off balance and his head is down he can't even attempt a pass. He's a 7 footer with guard quickness and running ability that can basically dunk without jumping. He should just be a completely maxxed out version of Clint Capela.

Just off the top of my head...but lots of other examples if you watch him on a regular basis. What other guys his size can dribble like him?

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When KD was more of a slasher he was quite close but he had his shooting to fall back on so he didn't have to crash the paint as the only scoring option.

[Vladimir777]

You guys wanna know what laughable?

There were people on this board who were saying Giannis is better or on the same level as 2004 KG

I hope no one ever makes that comparison again

There's people who were saying more than that honestly. People were saying Giannis was as good as peak Jordan on RealGM during the regular season. I swear to God, I'm sick of how short-term most people's thought process is on here.

[dautjazz]

29.5ppg 13.6rpg 5.6apg 1spg 1bpg in 30.4mpg is insane. .613 TS% is really good too. Sure he doesn't shoot very well, but in the end of the day he's efficient as hell at putting the ball through the net. He's far from perfect, but what he's doing, he most certainly a top 5 player. Beside Lebron and Leonard, I think it's Giannis. I guess Doncic is probably in that class too, or getting really close. He's really young, Lebron was championshipless at 25, and Leonard most certainly wasn't at this level at that age. The Bucks aren't exactly the picture of a championship team, other than a few examples like the 1994 Rockets or 2011 Mavs, name a recent championship team with a player worse than Middleton for their 2nd best player? Detroit maybe, but their top 4 was REALLY good overall, and their coaching was superior.

[Joerezz7]

You guys wanna know what laughable?

There were people on this board who were saying Giannis is better or on the same level as 2004 KG

I hope no one ever makes that comparison again

There's people who were saying more than that honestly. People were saying Giannis was as good as peak Jordan on RealGM during the regular season. I swear to God, I'm sick of how short-term most people's thought process is on here.

People were on here saying the same thing about Steph too. They said he was better than KD, Lebron and Jordan because of his 3 point efficiency. They were saying he was the GOAT offensively.

[Vladimir777]

You guys wanna know what laughable?

There were people on this board who were saying Giannis is better or on the same level as 2004 KG

I hope no one ever makes that comparison again

There's people who were saying more than that honestly. People were saying Giannis was as good as peak Jordan on RealGM during the regular season. I swear to God, I'm sick of how short-term most people's thought process is on here.

People were on here saying the same thing about Steph too. They said he was better than KD, Lebron and Jordan because of his 3 point efficiency. They were saying he was the GOAT offensively.

I still feel like at least half of this board still believes that. Steph was good undoubtedly, but he was never LeBron. This board really loves numbers, I guess.

[Packbuckman]

OK, well name an MVP to start a game with 2 airballs in a playoff game? His misses remind me of a 5th grade boys game where balls are just clanging off the backboard. He's not remotely close. The makes seem like pure luck.

He's horrible at basketball is all I'm saying. He's a ridiculous athlete and keeps himself in insane shape. But other than being able to touch the floor with his feet while dunking and move like a shooting guard he has the skills of a high schooler. His shot is completely **** broken. He's either got to be a teams center or learn to either dribble, shoot or pass. I think he'd make an insane rim running center, and there aren't many teams that can punish him on the other end by posting him up given how the rules for post play are now.

I never understood the people who think he can’t dribble or pass. He’s a 7 footer who can dribble like a guard, and his passing is great at times, although he still makes some poor decisions.

He’s a bad shooter, and he relies too much on forcing his way to the rim because it’s worked for him the majority of his career. The former is a lack of skill, and the latter is what people mistake for lack of skill.

What guard's dribbling skills ... Danny Green? He has 2 moves, carry the ball and euro and hope defender guesses wrong or it's a charge. And spin left to right. He has absolutely no advanced dribble moves, in fact he hardly dribbles at all he mostly picks his dribble up and walks. He can't even take hard dribble one way and come back through his legs or behind his back to evade the charge. His handle is terrible. His passing is terrible, once he goes into his move he is so off balance and his head is down he can't even attempt a pass. He's a 7 footer with guard quickness and running ability that can basically dunk without jumping. He should just be a completely maxxed out version of Clint Capela.

Nice analysis there he’s 25 and still learning and trying to get better. He has way more skill than in his pinkie compared to Capela. Everyone’s eyes are Giannis every time he has the ball and no player can guard him without help as in players reaching in. The last game he started out great 19 pts in 11 minutes till he sprained his ankle again. He needs to work on is little hooks down low and he doesn’t need to bring the ball up let Bledsoe and Middleton do it more. Bud needs to mix it up how he uses Giannis this series easily could be 2-2. He looked like he is pressing I think it’s all mental with him as he loses concentration when him picks up ticky tacky fouls.

[NO-KG-AI]

Giannis is fantastic. He never had the point guard handles and passing that people wanted to paint on him, but he's become a way better defender, attacker, and finisher than I think anyone could have imagined.

He has holes in his game, and he's going to have to tweak things to be able to be a force for full playoff games and not just going full sprint for 30-33 minutes, but he's certainly top 5.

[Strepbacter]

Wow.

There was no f*cks given. Giannis, the walking most efficient player to win back to back Defensive Player of the Year, and 2 time league MVP is NOW not even Top 5 today?

What do you want Giannis to do?
- Shave his side burns?
- Have a spelling contest on his last name?
- Admit that he watches Dr. Stone anime while hating on Naruto and Boruto?
- He shouldn't be lifting, brah?
- That he still hasn't watched Tenet yet because Nolan has thin character development and too much focus on his gimmick?

Like, what?

I bet the posters who are hating are purposely doing this on RealGM to drive down his trade value to get Giannis on their real favorite team.

Maybe people want him to develop skills outside of barreling into opponents and cut down on the travels and offensive fouls in the process? Or maybe they want him to demand the ball in crunch time as the best player and put his team on his back like any other MVP would? You can’t be the best player and then vanish when the lights aren’t the brightest. Beating up on the Knicks and Bulls in the RS is nice for accolades but the real masters show up in the postseason.

I haven’t seen Tenet but I thought Dunkirk was a money-grab, bore-a-thon so I have my reservations on this one.

Dunkirk was one the best war movies of all time.

[Prophet_tt]

Bucks offense is easier to stop in the playoffs with Giannis in than with him out. Small sample size but the facts back me up as of this post.

No it's not. The Heat weren't prepared to defend a different offence today. If Giannis doesn't play again, they will have no trouble pulling out the W, after a full day of practice/video.

I considered that they were not prepared as well. But again they had a tough time closing them out. That leads me to believe it is more difficult to scheme against an offence with no Giannis than with him. If you have the recipe it is relatively easy to stop the bucks with Giannis out there..

[HeartBreakKid]

His handles are weak as well. They're so mechanical when he tries to break someone off the dribble it's hilarious.

He's 7 foot tall...what should his handles look like?