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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1401 » by Kobblehead » Mon Sep 7, 2020 10:29 pm

VDT wrote:If you can get Paul for Horford+ pick(s) you do it. There is no risk really.

Of course there's risk in burning draft capital for a 6 foot 35 year old. Especially since that would make Thybulle the lone first round asset on our roster over a 4 draft span.

This team sucks. The draft is our only salvation. It should not be looked at as a source of disposable currency.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1402 » by ProcessDoctor » Mon Sep 7, 2020 10:40 pm

Wiz fans seem pretty opposed to a Wall/Harris swap. But, at the end of the day, all that matters is what their FO wants. Same with OKC, Sacramento, etc. Will be an interesting offseason to say the least.

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1403 » by VDT » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:00 pm

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VDT wrote:If you can get Paul for Horford+ pick(s) you do it. There is no risk really.

Of course there's risk in burning draft capital for a 6 foot 35 year old. Especially since that would make Thybulle the lone first round asset on our roster over a 4 draft span.

This team sucks. The draft is our only salvation. It should not be looked at as a source of disposable currency.


Yes you give something, but look what you get. If Horford doesnt play at all it means that we have 27 mil doing nothing. If he plays it is probably even worse because the team plays worse, unless you never pair him with Embiid which is unlikely. So just removing Horford from the roster and inserting someone useful like Paul will help us not only in the postseason (potentially) but in terms of increasing the value of our players and improving the team chemistry. I suspect this increase in the trade value of the players more than makes up for the lost pick.

Moreover look at the pick that we are giving. You can potentially get a pick in the late 20s with some second round picks and some money. If we need to have a first round pick we can trade for it most years. Hell, you can get a pick in the 30s for just money. Beyond that, what is the expected performance of a player drafted in the 20s during his rookie contract? I would say that on average you can get vet minimum guys as good or better than that. What you really lose is the upside of a pick which doesnt, most of the times, exist in veteran players.

Having said that, i doubt we get Paul, unless he wants to come here and forces Presti to trade him here. Other teams are more desperate and have better contracts to send along with the picks.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1404 » by ProcessDoctor » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:01 pm

GSW out: Wiggins, Green, #2
GSW in: Adams, Harris, #34

OKC out: Paul, Adams
OKC in: Wiggins, Horford, Smith, #2, #21

PHI out: Harris, Horford, Smith, #21, #34
PHI in: Paul, Green


Paul(30)/Milton(18)
Richardson(30)/Korkmaz(18)
MLE(20)/Thybulle(28)
Simmons(34)/Green(10)/MLE(4)
Embiid(30)/Green(18)


Paul/Milton/Micic
Richardson/Korkmaz/#49
MLE/Thybulle/Shayok
Simmons/Green/Scott
Embiid/#36/Pelle
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1405 » by phillynative » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:05 pm

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skulky wrote:Who we bring in on vet minimum deal is pretty low on the priority list, and will be more dictated by our other big picture moves. Lance is not a great locker room guy, an inconsistent shooter, out of the league for a reason. He’s not a player on my radar at all, I don’t think he brings any positive value for this team even as a 12th man.


Never said he was a priority and yes he can be inconsistent shooter but who on this team isnt. Let him come off the bench to instill some toughness and defense. Something this current team lacks. He could be mike scotts replacement who was also a inconsistent shooter while not being able to defend anyone.

Who do you consider a great locker room guy?
Lance brings the bad along with the good, but can be an x-factor guy who can help get you a win here and there. I could care less if we're talking about a 15th man.

We built the current roster out of full supposed good locker room guys and strong defensive players. Clearly a failed philosophy as our locker room morale isn't the healthiest and we're weak defensively. It wouldn't be a terrible thing to have a talented joker in the deck.

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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1406 » by phillynative » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:22 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Holiday, Paul, or Wall (in that order). You then fill in the pieces around that PG/Thybulle/Simmons/Embiid.


Beal, Chris, Holiday in that order..
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1407 » by 51X3RF4N » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:28 pm

Espn insider guy says he thinks Paul will be traded and three destinations make the most sense...knicks, bucks, sixers.

He says OKC tried to sign Horford back before be went to Boston due to the connection to the coach.

If there is a deal involving Horford going out and Paul coming in, even if it includes Thybulle or Korkmaz or Shake, whatever...I think that is the most realistic way for this team to win a title in their current window.

But then what do you do in 2 years?
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1408 » by chrbal » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:34 pm

ProcessDoctor wrote:Wiz fans seem pretty opposed to a Wall/Harris swap. But, at the end of the day, all that matters is what their FO wants. Same with OKC, Sacramento, etc. Will be an interesting offseason to say the least.

Our GM Joshua Ha...I mean, Elton Brand has one shot before we have to blow it all up IMO.


Unfortunately this is a 2 way street.! Sixers are going to have a hard time successfully pulling off a good trade.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1409 » by ProcessDoctor » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:38 pm

At first glance, Horford for Paul doesn’t seem to make much sense for OKC. When you consider they would save roughly $11 million (Horford + filler) and get their own FRP back, there’s at least a framework there. I wouldn’t get into a bidding war though. Anything involving multiple picks or Thybulle should be off the table IMO.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1410 » by Arsenal » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:41 pm

51X3RF4N wrote:Espn insider guy says he thinks Paul will be traded and three destinations make the most sense...knicks, bucks, sixers.

He says OKC tried to sign Horford back before be went to Boston due to the connection to the coach.

If there is a deal involving Horford going out and Paul coming in, even if it includes Thybulle or Korkmaz or Shake, whatever...I think that is the most realistic way for this team to win a title in their current window.

But then what do you do in 2 years?


I have some hope the Thunder will want Zhaire Smith instead of Shake, Thybulle, or Kork. Presti loves springy athletes, which is why he tried to get Jerami Grant from us for awhile until BCB finally made the deal.

Horford + Smith + Scott (salary filler) + X

Can we get away with X = 2nd rounders only? Or will it have to be #21 or a future 1st?

This is where we need CP3 to muscle Presti behind the scenes to send him here for less.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1411 » by Arsenal » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:46 pm

Who does Chris Paul want as his coach? That should be the front runner for our job. I'm serious.

If this org has even one iota of sense, they need to be TAMPERING with CP3 right now.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1412 » by UptownPhilly » Mon Sep 7, 2020 11:53 pm

I’d say no to trading for CP3 if we have to attach Thybulle or Shake. I don’t think he makes us a champion favorite, and we’d be squandering youth for a rental. I would offer Horford and J Rich though (we won’t have to worry about resigning him).
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Post#1413 » by Arsenal » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:03 am

UptownPhilly wrote:I’d say no to trading for CP3 if we have to attach Thybulle or Shake. I don’t think he makes us a champion favorite, and we’d be squandering youth for a rental. I would offer Horford and J Rich though (we won’t have to worry about resigning him).


I think Horford + JRich is the best we can hope for. If that's on the table we need to pull the trigger. Like you say, we can't afford to resign JRich in 2021 anyway.

PG CP3
SG Thybulle
SF Harris
PF Simmons
CE Embiid

Add a good coach and if the team could miraculously stay healthy, its a real contender.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1414 » by ProcessDoctor » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:11 am

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51X3RF4N wrote:Espn insider guy says he thinks Paul will be traded and three destinations make the most sense...knicks, bucks, sixers.

He says OKC tried to sign Horford back before be went to Boston due to the connection to the coach.

If there is a deal involving Horford going out and Paul coming in, even if it includes Thybulle or Korkmaz or Shake, whatever...I think that is the most realistic way for this team to win a title in their current window.

But then what do you do in 2 years?


I have some hope the Thunder will want Zhaire Smith instead of Shake, Thybulle, or Kork. Presti loves springy athletes, which is why he tried to get Jerami Grant from us for awhile until BCB finally made the deal.

Horford + Smith + Scott (salary filler) + X

Can we get away with X = 2nd rounders only? Or will it have to be #21 or a future 1st?

This is where we need CP3 to muscle Presti behind the scenes to send him here for less.


Horford + Smith + Scott + #21 is the highest I'd go. If they say no or find a better package, then so be it. There are going to be 1-2 other realistic suitors for him. He's not the type of player (contract, age, injury history) you get into a bidding war for.


Paul(30)/Milton(18)
Richardson(30)/Korkmaz(18)
Harris(20)/Thybulle(28)
Simmons(34)/Harris(14)
Embiid(30)/MLE(18)


If you can find a good deal for Harris/Richardson (i.e. McCollum/Ariza) then go for it. If not, then try that rotation with a new coach and hope for the best. Not a ton of roster flexibility at the moment.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1415 » by Kobblehead » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:14 am

I'm not adding Thybulle or #21 in a deal for Paul.

I'm not paying a star package for a 35 year old 6 footer.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1416 » by VDT » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:16 am

I dont want to send Richardson in a trade. He is a capable defender and we will be very thin in wing defenders, basically Simmons and Thybylle. Even Thybylle is still an unknown. He tends to commit silly fouls and offensively he doesnt do much. No one knows if he will be good enough to start next year and i would like to have some options. I dont think Richardson has much value for OKC anyway, only as a possible trade asset but maybe we can send a pick and Scott instead.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1417 » by DT RAW » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:23 am

Kobblehead wrote:I don't think any trade that we make would prompt us to put Simmons on the market.

I think fit is a myth. If the shotcreater we bring in can't space the floor, who cares, you know.

We almost beat the champs last year with a creator that can't space the floor in Jimmy Butler.


We also had this guy named JJ redick and he was unbelievably important to this team
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1418 » by Kobblehead » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:25 am

Unfortunately for the Thunder, I don't really see a great package for Paul from his potential suitors.

I see no reason to overpay for him. Horford/Richardson plus salary might be their best package, tbh. Not sure what the Knicks can offer that can beat that.
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1419 » by DT RAW » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:29 am

I dont want to give up richardson in that deal too because I feel we can trade richardson for a better fit. Hell would new orleans do a jrich and fillers for redick?? All i know is thybulle is not ready to start and having thybulle harris simmons embiid in starting 5 sets up for more awful spacing and packed paint defenses
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Re: Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season 

Post#1420 » by Kobblehead » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:30 am

DT RAW wrote:We also had this guy named JJ redick and he was unbelievably important to this team

Redick was our emotional leader but let's stop romanticizing his importance. He was a trainwreck defensively that was attacked relentlessly. You're not a serious playoff team when you're lining up J.J. Redick for over 30 minutes a night.

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