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Nycnyc7188 wrote:vincecarter4pres wrote:Caris LeVert
for
7th overall pick
Tony Snell
Who says no?
What?lmaoo caris levert is light years better than tony snell wtf lol people just want to trade levert just for the sake of trading him.lol im really not understanding people
Nycnyc7188 wrote:vincecarter4pres wrote:Nycnyc7188 wrote:What?lmaoo caris levert is light years better than tony snell wtf lol people just want to trade levert just for the sake of trading him.lol im really not understanding people
Uuh... 7th overall pick?
Just an idea, but allows you to re-sign the better player in Dinwiddie and gives you a young salary controlled player to groom and grow, who could immediately contribute as well.
On paper it’s fair value imho as long as there’s a guy Marks loves in that area of the draft.
It’s the kind of smart, forward thinking move, progressive franchises do if they think their Kawhi v2.0 is there, or to flip the pick in a different trade for a team who wants a lotto pick instead of Caris for their guy.
Steph Curry and Jamal Murray have both gone 7th in the last 10 years, along with countless other stars in that 7 to 15 range. I’d trust Marks in the draft if he made a move like that.
Um no.this draft is super weak.and this is a dumb idea
MrDollarBills wrote:Yall are talking about trading Allen or LeVert for names like Tony Snell and JJ Reddick......
we'd be better off keeping both of them at that rate. jesus christ
Prokorov wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Yall are talking about trading Allen or LeVert for names like Tony Snell and JJ Reddick......
we'd be better off keeping both of them at that rate. jesus christ
Reddick makes a ton of sense. and he has shown a ton of gravity and big impact on stars ability to shine.
7footMONSTER wrote:Papi_swav wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:
I was looking for ways to move up in the draft. All the players we like (Bey, Williams, Green, even Nesmith) happen to be the same players all the teams from 10-18 are also probably targeting. Everyone is looking for two-way wings that can shoot. My fear is by 19, we miss out on everyone.
Most teams are stacked at C, plus Allen is a year away from restricted free agency. Love him as a player but I don’t think he has much trade value. The Pelicans might be one of the few teams who would be willing to trade for him now. They would be doing Reddick a favor by trading him to a contender, and saving $5 million if they decline Temple’s option.
Reddick off the bench gives Dinwiddie a great off ball sniper to work with. Plus he’s a just another mature, competent, high character, experienced NBA vet to add to our locker room. I know him and Kyrie have the Duke connection. He played with DJ in LA. In a playoff game, I would trust Reddick to give us 10-15 high quality minutes.
If we resign Harris then there's no reason for JJ Reddick. They are basically the same player but Joe is taller, stronger. younger and can play the wing. We need some defenders more than shooters.
It’s more about moving up in the draft. Reddick is a just a bonus. He can come off the bench.
Yes we need defenders but no team is trading a 2 way wing for Jarrett Allen.
TheNetsFan wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:MrDollarBills wrote:Yall are talking about trading Allen or LeVert for names like Tony Snell and JJ Reddick......
we'd be better off keeping both of them at that rate. jesus christ
Well these are the options:
1. Pay Allen $10-$15 million in free agency and have over $20 million committed to two rim running bigs who can’t stretch the floor and are unplayable against certain matchups.
2. Keep Allen for 1 year, then lose him for nothing in free agency.
3. Since we already have DJ, try to use Allen as a trade chip to move up in the draft and/or acquire a player that helps us win now.
I’m making the argument moving up in the draft and getting Saddiq Bey (or whoever) on a cost controlled contract for the next 4 years is more valuable to us than 1 year of Allen. We already have DJ, Claxton, and KD that can play the 5.
Absolutely #1. $25mil or so for 2 years for a top 10ish C rotation when you're over the cap regardless is not crippling. If you move or let Allen go, you still need at least one more C that likely takes some or all of the MLE. You can't roll with 32+ year old Jordan as your starting C for 3 more years.
kamaze wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:Papi_swav wrote:If we resign Harris then there's no reason for JJ Reddick. They are basically the same player but Joe is taller, stronger. younger and can play the wing. We need some defenders more than shooters.
It’s more about moving up in the draft. Reddick is a just a bonus. He can come off the bench.
Yes we need defenders but no team is trading a 2 way wing for Jarrett Allen.
Question, if they trade him for a guard or wing who plays center? DJ can't play 48 minutes.
7footMONSTER wrote:I remember Marks wanted John Collins. He fell all the way to 19, and we had the 22nd pick.
Collins so far has shown he should he have gone in the top 7. We missed him by 3 picks.
If there is someone he really likes, then I’m all for trading up.
7footMONSTER wrote:kamaze wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:
It’s more about moving up in the draft. Reddick is a just a bonus. He can come off the bench.
Yes we need defenders but no team is trading a 2 way wing for Jarrett Allen.
Question, if they trade him for a guard or wing who plays center? DJ can't play 48 minutes.
DJ, Claxton, KD, and maybe a backup C for the vet minimum like Nerlens Noel, Ed Davis, Biyombo, Mahinmi, Plumlee, Len...etc.
The worst case scenario is a year from now, will he be happy coming off the bench? What if a team offers him 4 years $50 and a starter role. Will we match, or do we lose him for nothing?
Let’s say Saddiq Bey or Patrick Williams is our guy. Marks he great at finding these mid round gems in the draft. The Celtics have the 14th pick. I don’t want Marks to miss out on our guy, AND he gets picked by the Celtics.
GTR11 wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:I remember Marks wanted John Collins. He fell all the way to 19, and we had the 22nd pick.
Collins so far has shown he should he have gone in the top 7. We missed him by 3 picks.
If there is someone he really likes, then I’m all for trading up.
Marks rarely miss on players when it comes to their evaluation. But let's not forget about Crabbe, OPJ or Tyler here. Also with our window being open for limited time I won't be surprised if this picks will get traded away. We don't have cap space like that.
kamaze wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:kamaze wrote:
Question, if they trade him for a guard or wing who plays center? DJ can't play 48 minutes.
DJ, Claxton, KD, and maybe a backup C for the vet minimum like Nerlens Noel, Ed Davis, Biyombo, Mahinmi, Plumlee, Len...etc.
The worst case scenario is a year from now, will he be happy coming off the bench? What if a team offers him 4 years $50 and a starter role. Will we match, or do we lose him for nothing?
Let’s say Saddiq Bey or Patrick Williams is our guy. Marks he great at finding these mid round gems in the draft. The Celtics have the 14th pick. I don’t want Marks to miss out on our guy, AND he gets picked by the Celtics.
KD at center?! This ain't the western conference he's not built to bang down low
which he'd have to do on defense.
Claxton should get some more minutes at power forward. I think he's more of a 4 anyway. If people think Jarett Allen gets pushed around imagine Clax as your backup center.
Just pay him what he's worth DJ is old if Clax plays good next year and gains weight great more talent make this a better team.
If they can't move up and get Patrick Williams no problem just draft a small forward that plays defense, Tyler Bey would be a good pick.
7footMONSTER wrote:TheNetsFan wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:
Well these are the options:
1. Pay Allen $10-$15 million in free agency and have over $20 million committed to two rim running bigs who can’t stretch the floor and are unplayable against certain matchups.
2. Keep Allen for 1 year, then lose him for nothing in free agency.
3. Since we already have DJ, try to use Allen as a trade chip to move up in the draft and/or acquire a player that helps us win now.
I’m making the argument moving up in the draft and getting Saddiq Bey (or whoever) on a cost controlled contract for the next 4 years is more valuable to us than 1 year of Allen. We already have DJ, Claxton, and KD that can play the 5.
Absolutely #1. $25mil or so for 2 years for a top 10ish C rotation when you're over the cap regardless is not crippling. If you move or let Allen go, you still need at least one more C that likely takes some or all of the MLE. You can't roll with 32+ year old Jordan as your starting C for 3 more years.
I agree with the Jordan part. At the same time, you can always get those Ed Davis, Nerlens Noel, Biyombo, Plumlee, types to patch up the C spot. So 48 minutes spread out by DJ, Claxton, KD, and a vet minimum C.
My fear is is we make a deep playoff run. The whole league sees how good Allen (and Dinwiddie) are, and then we lose both of them for nothing in free agency.
TheNetsFan wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:TheNetsFan wrote:Absolutely #1. $25mil or so for 2 years for a top 10ish C rotation when you're over the cap regardless is not crippling. If you move or let Allen go, you still need at least one more C that likely takes some or all of the MLE. You can't roll with 32+ year old Jordan as your starting C for 3 more years.
I agree with the Jordan part. At the same time, you can always get those Ed Davis, Nerlens Noel, Biyombo, Plumlee, types to patch up the C spot. So 48 minutes spread out by DJ, Claxton, KD, and a vet minimum C.
My fear is is we make a deep playoff run. The whole league sees how good Allen (and Dinwiddie) are, and then we lose both of them for nothing in free agency.
Allen is restricted. We're not going to lose him in free agency. I'm convinced Dinwiddie seeks out a starting role, so he's far more likely to walk. I also think spending $25ish mil on Allen and Jordan for 2 years is more cost efficient than paying $56ish mil per year for Kyrie and Dinwiddie, especially with LeVert locked in
7footMONSTER wrote:TheNetsFan wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:
I agree with the Jordan part. At the same time, you can always get those Ed Davis, Nerlens Noel, Biyombo, Plumlee, types to patch up the C spot. So 48 minutes spread out by DJ, Claxton, KD, and a vet minimum C.
My fear is is we make a deep playoff run. The whole league sees how good Allen (and Dinwiddie) are, and then we lose both of them for nothing in free agency.
Allen is restricted. We're not going to lose him in free agency. I'm convinced Dinwiddie seeks out a starting role, so he's far more likely to walk. I also think spending $25ish mil on Allen and Jordan for 2 years is more cost efficient than paying $56ish mil per year for Kyrie and Dinwiddie, especially with LeVert locked in
3 years ago Marks wanted John Collins. A big that can shoot, dribble, pass, and stretch the floor. We missed him by 3 picks. He would been perfect for us right now.
Marks is ahead of the curve. All the best teams are spending less and less money on centers, especially centers who can’t shoot. The waiver wire is littered with rim running bigs.
I can’t see Joe Tsai spending $60 million of his own money (Allen $15 million salary times 4 for luxury tax) for a backup center. And that’s just for one season. You can get 80% of what Allen does for the vet minimum.
In crunch time, Allen and DJ wouldn’t even get minutes. Look at the Lakers, they can’t even play McGee or Howard in the Rocket series. Celtics close games with Kemba, Smart, Brown, Hayward, and Tatum. You can make a case, we’ve already committed too much money to the C position.
Papi_swav wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:TheNetsFan wrote:Allen is restricted. We're not going to lose him in free agency. I'm convinced Dinwiddie seeks out a starting role, so he's far more likely to walk. I also think spending $25ish mil on Allen and Jordan for 2 years is more cost efficient than paying $56ish mil per year for Kyrie and Dinwiddie, especially with LeVert locked in
3 years ago Marks wanted John Collins. A big that can shoot, dribble, pass, and stretch the floor. We missed him by 3 picks. He would been perfect for us right now.
Marks is ahead of the curve. All the best teams are spending less and less money on centers, especially centers who can’t shoot. The waiver wire is littered with rim running bigs.
I can’t see Joe Tsai spending $60 million of his own money (Allen $15 million salary times 4 for luxury tax) for a backup center. And that’s just for one season. You can get 80% of what Allen does for the vet minimum.
In crunch time, Allen and DJ wouldn’t even get minutes. Look at the Lakers, they can’t even play McGee or Howard in the Rocket series. Celtics close games with Kemba, Smart, Brown, Hayward, and Tatum. You can make a case, we’ve already committed too much money to the C position.
And this is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. Centers ain't it no more. Allen won't make or beak us, as much as I like him. This is a wing heavy league now. I wish we could keep Allen instead of DJ and maybe Marks puts his big boy pants on and makes that decision himself. But there is no reason to be paying around 25M per year for 2 centers that are basically the same type of player. Not sure what happens but I kinda hope we keep Allen for this year, unless we get an offer we can't refuse.
7footMONSTER wrote:kamaze wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:
DJ, Claxton, KD, and maybe a backup C for the vet minimum like Nerlens Noel, Ed Davis, Biyombo, Mahinmi, Plumlee, Len...etc.
The worst case scenario is a year from now, will he be happy coming off the bench? What if a team offers him 4 years $50 and a starter role. Will we match, or do we lose him for nothing?
Let’s say Saddiq Bey or Patrick Williams is our guy. Marks he great at finding these mid round gems in the draft. The Celtics have the 14th pick. I don’t want Marks to miss out on our guy, AND he gets picked by the Celtics.
KD at center?! This ain't the western conference he's not built to bang down low
which he'd have to do on defense.
Claxton should get some more minutes at power forward. I think he's more of a 4 anyway. If people think Jarett Allen gets pushed around imagine Clax as your backup center.
Just pay him what he's worth DJ is old if Clax plays good next year and gains weight great more talent make this a better team.
If they can't move up and get Patrick Williams no problem just draft a small forward that plays defense, Tyler Bey would be a good pick.
Kelly Olynyk plays backup C. Is he built to “bang down low”?
kamaze wrote:GTR11 wrote:7footMONSTER wrote:I remember Marks wanted John Collins. He fell all the way to 19, and we had the 22nd pick.
Collins so far has shown he should he have gone in the top 7. We missed him by 3 picks.
If there is someone he really likes, then I’m all for trading up.
Marks rarely miss on players when it comes to their evaluation. But let's not forget about Crabbe, OPJ or Tyler here. Also with our window being open for limited time I won't be surprised if this picks will get traded away. We don't have cap space like that.
He can't be right all the time lol besides
none of those moves crippled the team.
The owner has it he said he was prepared to pay the luxury tax.
GTR11 wrote:kamaze wrote:GTR11 wrote:Marks rarely miss on players when it comes to their evaluation. But let's not forget about Crabbe, OPJ or Tyler here. Also with our window being open for limited time I won't be surprised if this picks will get traded away. We don't have cap space like that.
He can't be right all the time lol besides
none of those moves crippled the team.
The owner has it he said he was prepared to pay the luxury tax.
No rookie going to get min on this team next year. There are no players on this draft to even consider to be no miss type player.
He didn't simply because we had cap space to play around. It's not going to be an option this time around.
Tsai can say all he wants and back it up. You simply didn't want to understand my point. Cap space is there for a reason. Cap space is the for a reason. Cap space is there for a reason. Should I repeat it again?
