2019-20 NBA Season Discussion

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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2941 » by Dupp » Sun Sep 6, 2020 11:37 pm

GSP wrote:Has an Mvp ever been exposed like this?

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Bucks have played better with him not on the court ALL SERIES long

he gets injured when theyre down 1. They win the game by 3. Their only win of the series

Khris and Brook both look like better halfcourt options for Milwaukee



Moving forward to win in the playoffs they need to get the ball out of his hands. He can’t be the playmaker it just can’t work. He needs a really good playmaker and have himself play off ball very similar fashion to AD.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2942 » by GSP » Sun Sep 6, 2020 11:41 pm

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When Damian Lillard struggled against the Lakers, he got criticism. When Embiid dominated the Celtics as an individual but they got swept, he got criticism. Giannis has been getting criticism. George has been getting criticism.

Butler plays like crap...crickets. When he plays well, he’s the reason for Miami’s success. It’s a double standard.


Embiid didnt dominate **** unless youre just looking at the boxscore

his passing was horrible. Much more turnovers than assists and we completely shut down their shooters. Korkmaz didnt hit a 3 all series

We also exposed his overrated defense in the pick and roll and he wasnt even defending the rim that well.

It wasnt a "bad" series by Joel but "individually dominant" is hilarious. No Celtic fan was ever worried about Embiid. Wouldve been a much tougher series if it was Ben in there and Embiid was the one injured

Would you really be scared of Simmons and bunch of nobodies (including Harris who played like the one)? I don't see any reason to believe that Simmons would make any difference in place of Embiid. Simmons needs good scorers around him, he's not good that good halfcourt playmaker either.

Celtics would have swept Sixers with Simmons instead of Embiid anyway and I wouldn't be surprised if the Sixers had been even worse.


Ben with shooters spaced around him, his transition threat and Horford at the 5 is much harder to defend than Embiid postups. Embiid is a bad passer and terrible passing out of doubles. Their shooters couldnt get anything going with him

Defensively Ben being able to guard 1-4 and even Theis wouldve been much more problematic considering how guard/wing heavy our team is. They blew us out when we had our whole squad including Hayward when Embiid missed the game

https://www.basketball-reference.com/boxscores/202001090PHI.html

Tatum does not go off like he did with Ben either. Hes arguably the best Tatum defender in the league. Sixers definitely get 1-2 games on us with Ben instead of Embiid
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2943 » by Joey Wheeler » Sun Sep 6, 2020 11:57 pm

70sFan wrote:Also - Giannis offense comparisons with Shaq don't age too well now. I don't want to be overly harsh on him, but he hasn't proved so far that he can adjust. For all limitations, Shaq faced plenty of defensive pressure and he was rarely contained. Even in sweeps, Shaq's offense wasn't a problem.

Giannis doesn't have the defensive impact of all-time great bigman either. I've watched Rudy in playoffs and I don't doubt that he's better defender than Giannis.


We've had this discussion before. The game has changed since Shaq's prime, Shaq as an offensive anchor would also not work right now. And yes, even in the 90s, brooms tend to be involved anyway without an elite perimeter anchor.

Giannis doesn't need to "adjust", he needs to accept the offense can't go through him; he can still be a top 5 defensive player and a highly valuable offensive player if he does most of his damage off the ball and on the move. Giannis simply doesn't have the skill and vision to anchor an offense, under intense defensive pressure he becomes an outright liability; honestly people will never admit it, but it's quite possible the Bucks make the Finals last year if Giannis could be coached like a normal player and subbed off when he's getting played off the court and becoming an outright liability; the Raptors key runs were pretty much fueled by Giannis turnovers and Kawhi being able to help off Giannis at will.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2944 » by 70sFan » Mon Sep 7, 2020 5:48 am

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70sFan wrote:Also - Giannis offense comparisons with Shaq don't age too well now. I don't want to be overly harsh on him, but he hasn't proved so far that he can adjust. For all limitations, Shaq faced plenty of defensive pressure and he was rarely contained. Even in sweeps, Shaq's offense wasn't a problem.

Giannis doesn't have the defensive impact of all-time great bigman either. I've watched Rudy in playoffs and I don't doubt that he's better defender than Giannis.


We've had this discussion before. The game has changed since Shaq's prime, Shaq as an offensive anchor would also not work right now. And yes, even in the 90s, brooms tend to be involved anyway without an elite perimeter anchor.

Giannis doesn't need to "adjust", he needs to accept the offense can't go through him; he can still be a top 5 defensive player and a highly valuable offensive player if he does most of his damage off the ball and on the move. Giannis simply doesn't have the skill and vision to anchor an offense, under intense defensive pressure he becomes an outright liability; honestly people will never admit it, but it's quite possible the Bucks make the Finals last year if Giannis could be coached like a normal player and subbed off when he's getting played off the court and becoming an outright liability; the Raptors key runs were pretty much fueled by Giannis turnovers and Kawhi being able to help off Giannis at will.

That's what Shaq did - he did damage without the ball. Teams didn't run hero ball through Shaq like they're trying to do with every good offensive player now. Shaq wouldn't have the same problems Giannis has. He'd be definitely among the best offensive players in the league.
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Post#2946 » by MyUniBroDavis » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:06 am

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Pipm confuses me, is it just plus minus and tracking data? But doesnt it have nore predictive value than rapm as well?


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Pipm confuses me, is it just plus minus and tracking data? But doesnt it have nore predictive value than rapm as well?


Btw why is the off topic thread still closed lol


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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2948 » by RCM88x » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:38 am

I think Boston is coming out of the east, trust them a lot more than Miami currently. Will be an interesting matchup in the ECF. Don't think anyone would have predicted a Boston vs. Miami series a month ago.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2949 » by TheGOATRises007 » Tue Sep 8, 2020 12:50 am

RCM88x wrote:I think Boston is coming out of the east, trust them a lot more than Miami currently. Will be an interesting matchup in the ECF. Don't think anyone would have predicted a Boston vs. Miami series a month ago.


Think it'll be a very close series.

I think the winner from the west is winning it all though.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2950 » by RCM88x » Tue Sep 8, 2020 1:36 am

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RCM88x wrote:I think Boston is coming out of the east, trust them a lot more than Miami currently. Will be an interesting matchup in the ECF. Don't think anyone would have predicted a Boston vs. Miami series a month ago.


Think it'll be a very close series.

I think the winner from the west is winning it all though.


I'd take Boston over Houston or Denver, probably would take Miami over Denver too.

But agreed, most likely Clippers or Lakers end up with it.

Kinda crazy being the first season since like 2015 where it feels completely up for grabs with 6-7+ teams still left.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2951 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Sep 8, 2020 1:43 am

Last pass from Jokic to Monte Morris to close the first quarter was just an incredible possession all the way. He directed Morris to relocate from the weak side corner to the dunkers spot then ran the pick and roll with Murray and got Morris a layup with the fake out. He knew all the way how the Clippers were gonna play it and orchestrated the whole possession while only touching the ball for like 2 seconds.

Edit they miss him directing traffic right before the start of this play, but this is the play I'm referring to.

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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2952 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Sep 8, 2020 1:47 am

MPG is a very good offensive rebounder.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2953 » by TheGOATRises007 » Tue Sep 8, 2020 3:03 am

Not a fan of how the Clippers are looking and playing.

They play as if they're the defending champs.
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Post#2954 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Sep 8, 2020 3:31 am

Kawhi's having a terrible offensive game, and subpar defensive game as well, but he's been a monster on the boards.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2955 » by The High Cyde » Tue Sep 8, 2020 4:02 am

Jamal Murray has been erased so far it seems. He needs to get his conditioning up, but he’s going up against a really good defense.

Jokic continues to impress, he has to be more assertive in closing games however, but what a phenomenal player. He has to be top 5 this year.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2956 » by GSP » Tue Sep 8, 2020 4:08 am

Clips have done a good job timing Jokics moves off the catch when hes in the high post. Hes averaging alot more turnovers than he usually does this series

I dont see Denver winning another game. This was the game to steal and make it interesting. Game 4 will be a blowout IMO
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2957 » by GSP » Tue Sep 8, 2020 4:09 am

The High Cyde wrote:Jamal Murray has been erased so far it seems. He needs to get his conditioning up, but he’s going up against a really good defense.

Jokic continues to impress, he has to be more assertive in closing games however, but what a phenomenal player. He has to be top 5 this year.


Lebron, Kawhi, Harden, Davis, Giannis, Luka

whose spot should he have there?
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Post#2958 » by The High Cyde » Tue Sep 8, 2020 4:43 am

GSP wrote:
The High Cyde wrote:Jamal Murray has been erased so far it seems. He needs to get his conditioning up, but he’s going up against a really good defense.

Jokic continues to impress, he has to be more assertive in closing games however, but what a phenomenal player. He has to be top 5 this year.


Lebron, Kawhi, Harden, Davis, Giannis, Luka

whose spot should he have there?


If I had to pick, probably Luka.

Harden maybe with how he started the season? Davis wasn’t overly impressive during the RS but he’s picked up these playoffs.
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2959 » by GSP » Tue Sep 8, 2020 6:50 am

The High Cyde wrote:
GSP wrote:
The High Cyde wrote:Jamal Murray has been erased so far it seems. He needs to get his conditioning up, but he’s going up against a really good defense.

Jokic continues to impress, he has to be more assertive in closing games however, but what a phenomenal player. He has to be top 5 this year.


Lebron, Kawhi, Harden, Davis, Giannis, Luka

whose spot should he have there?


If I had to pick, probably Luka.

Harden maybe with how he started the season? Davis wasn’t overly impressive during the RS but he’s picked up these playoffs.


Jokic started the season poorly himself. Remember he was out of shape for a while and Will Barton was looking like the best Nugget player for the first month or so of the season

Jokic is a great player but top 5 is a reach
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Re: 2019-20 NBA Season Discussion 

Post#2960 » by MisterHibachi » Tue Sep 8, 2020 11:08 pm

If anyone is ever going to come back from 3-0 it'll be the #1 seed in this neutral, bubble environment.

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