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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1501 » by GTR11 » Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:33 am

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He can't be right all the time lol besides
none of those moves crippled the team.

The owner has it he said he was prepared to pay the luxury tax.

No rookie going to get min on this team next year. There are no players on this draft to even consider to be no miss type player.
He didn't simply because we had cap space to play around. It's not going to be an option this time around.
Tsai can say all he wants and back it up. You simply didn't want to understand my point. Cap space is there for a reason. Cap space is the for a reason. Cap space is there for a reason. Should I repeat it again?


You can say it till you're blue in the face it doesn't change anything. You said yourself he rarely misses when it comes to evaluating players so why not let him keep the draft pick.

:lol: trolling I see.
Tell me one player that worth spending capital and waisting cap space.
You know I can troll you to death with stuff you say.
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Post#1502 » by GTR11 » Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:34 am

Keep in mind the fact that Marks didn't spend damn thing yet even on players he liked.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1503 » by Papi_swav » Tue Sep 8, 2020 3:05 pm

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3 years ago Marks wanted John Collins. A big that can shoot, dribble, pass, and stretch the floor. We missed him by 3 picks. He would been perfect for us right now.

Marks is ahead of the curve. All the best teams are spending less and less money on centers, especially centers who can’t shoot. The waiver wire is littered with rim running bigs.

I can’t see Joe Tsai spending $60 million of his own money (Allen $15 million salary times 4 for luxury tax) for a backup center. And that’s just for one season. You can get 80% of what Allen does for the vet minimum.

In crunch time, Allen and DJ wouldn’t even get minutes. Look at the Lakers, they can’t even play McGee or Howard in the Rocket series. Celtics close games with Kemba, Smart, Brown, Hayward, and Tatum. You can make a case, we’ve already committed too much money to the C position.

And this is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. Centers ain't it no more. Allen won't make or beak us, as much as I like him. This is a wing heavy league now. I wish we could keep Allen instead of DJ and maybe Marks puts his big boy pants on and makes that decision himself. But there is no reason to be paying around 25M per year for 2 centers that are basically the same type of player. Not sure what happens but I kinda hope we keep Allen for this year, unless we get an offer we can't refuse.


Yea exactly. Especially if you have Steve Nash as your coach. What’s the point of having one of the most creative offensive basketball minds in the world, if you’re going to give him 2 centers that can’t stretch the floor?

It sucks because Allen is really good, but I don’t want to limit Nash’s creativity and basketball genius by forcing him to always play a big who clogs the paint. It’s like having an amazing QB, but trash receivers.

If we have to keep DJ, then Allen becomes expendable. Trading him to move up in this draft might be the most value we can get for him. I don’t want all the players Marks likes to be gone by 19. The last thing I want to see is Danny Ainge stealing our guy at 14, and us having to watch him flourish for the Celtics for the next 5 years.

Baynes would be a perfect backup center. He can bang down low with Embiid and others and he can drain 3s.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1504 » by Papi_swav » Tue Sep 8, 2020 3:06 pm

GTR11 wrote:Keep in mind the fact that Marks didn't spend damn thing yet even on players he liked.

I don't know what you mean by this.? he just paid Levert to a decent size contract. He also gave Joe Harris and Din a 2nd contract. Not sure what you mean
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1505 » by TheNetsFan » Tue Sep 8, 2020 3:50 pm

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3 years ago Marks wanted John Collins. A big that can shoot, dribble, pass, and stretch the floor. We missed him by 3 picks. He would been perfect for us right now.

Marks is ahead of the curve. All the best teams are spending less and less money on centers, especially centers who can’t shoot. The waiver wire is littered with rim running bigs.

I can’t see Joe Tsai spending $60 million of his own money (Allen $15 million salary times 4 for luxury tax) for a backup center. And that’s just for one season. You can get 80% of what Allen does for the vet minimum.

In crunch time, Allen and DJ wouldn’t even get minutes. Look at the Lakers, they can’t even play McGee or Howard in the Rocket series. Celtics close games with Kemba, Smart, Brown, Hayward, and Tatum. You can make a case, we’ve already committed too much money to the C position.

And this is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. Centers ain't it no more. Allen won't make or beak us, as much as I like him. This is a wing heavy league now. I wish we could keep Allen instead of DJ and maybe Marks puts his big boy pants on and makes that decision himself. But there is no reason to be paying around 25M per year for 2 centers that are basically the same type of player. Not sure what happens but I kinda hope we keep Allen for this year, unless we get an offer we can't refuse.


Yea exactly. Especially if you have Steve Nash as your coach. What’s the point of having one of the most creative offensive basketball minds in the world, if you’re going to give him 2 centers that can’t stretch the floor?

It sucks because Allen is really good, but I don’t want to limit Nash’s creativity and basketball genius by forcing him to always play a big who clogs the paint. It’s like having an amazing QB, but trash receivers.

If we have to keep DJ, then Allen becomes expendable. Trading him to move up in this draft might be the most value we can get for him. I don’t want all the players Marks likes to be gone by 19. The last thing I want to see is Danny Ainge stealing our guy at 14, and us having to watch him flourish for the Celtics for the next 5 years.

You do realize his best success came with Amar'e Stoudemire who could not stretch the floor at all. Marion wasn't much of a shooter either. Nash thrived in an offense that got out in transition and attacked the basket. Let's put the Atkinson 4 and 5 out offense out of our minds.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1506 » by GTR11 » Tue Sep 8, 2020 4:38 pm

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GTR11 wrote:Keep in mind the fact that Marks didn't spend damn thing yet even on players he liked.

I don't know what you mean by this.? he just paid Levert to a decent size contract. He also gave Joe Harris and Din a 2nd contract. Not sure what you mean

That was meant to Kamaze and that previous post above.
With the current management I can't recall any transactions being made to move up in a draft. We in win now mode yet I keep seeing people bring up draft as more important than some players. As I explained, win now teams most of the times do not move up in a draft while surrendering their players. Opposite is what happens 99% of the time. In addition to it there's not one sure star player/s that coming out and within our reach.
We have good prospects that still need to be developed and couple picks we have to make our decision with. I get the fact that you never stop building for future and our organization made it clear that it'll be their priority. However how often you see players come in and contribute right away? Barkley was the last one I can recall. Even though it still took him few years to figure it out. Does it make sense to give up Din or LeVert to move up into top seven right now? To me it's laughable at this point.
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Post#1507 » by MGrand15 » Tue Sep 8, 2020 5:04 pm

I think the similarities between DJ and Allen are a little bit overblown. Offensively - yes. There's a lot of overlap. Defensively, DJ can handle post up bigs / non-shooting bigs. JA is a lot faster and can handle PNRs and stretch 5s a lot better. A stretch 5 would be nice but it really doesn't have to be someone that plays major minutes. Maybe just an emergency big. The Clippers are built like we are (2 offensive stars - with 2 ball dominant bench guys + elite shooting) and they're just fine with 2 non-shooting centers. They're fine with throwing Green or Morris at the 5 for just specific matchups. We also have Claxton waiting in the wings.

I still have a hard time seeing us keep our pick but I have no idea what the value of 19 is going into this draft. I'm sure Marks is willing to keep it if he can't find a good deal. There's a lot of 3+D wings in the draft. As risky as rookies are, Thybulle immediately turned into a starting level player. Lu Dort shut down Harden and dropped 30 in Game 7. Cam Johnson was a huge reason the Suns went 8-0 in the bubble. Rookies usually have too much responsibility so they aren't good but on a contender - the chance for success increases.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1508 » by Papi_swav » Tue Sep 8, 2020 5:11 pm

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GTR11 wrote:Keep in mind the fact that Marks didn't spend damn thing yet even on players he liked.

I don't know what you mean by this.? he just paid Levert to a decent size contract. He also gave Joe Harris and Din a 2nd contract. Not sure what you mean

That was meant to Kamaze and that previous post above.
With the current management I can't recall any transactions being made to move up in a draft. We in win now mode yet I keep seeing people bring up draft as more important than some players. As I explained, win now teams most of the times do not move up in a draft while surrendering their players. Opposite is what happens 99% of the time. In addition to it there's not one sure star player/s that coming out and within our reach.
We have good prospects that still need to be developed and couple picks we have to make our decision with. I get the fact that you never stop building for future and our organization made it clear that it'll be their priority. However how often you see players come in and contribute right away? Barkley was the last one I can recall. Even though it still took him few years to figure it out. Does it make sense to give up Din or LeVert to move up into top seven right now? To me it's laughable at this point.

lol come on dude, there has been countless other players that stepped in and played great after being drafted. I think the point is that there are a lot of 3 and D wing guys in this draft that will FIT with our team. This is a wing league now and in order to win it now, we need as much 3&D wings as can.

Boston has 3 very good wing players (Brown, Tatum, Hayward) and 2 good guard players (Kemba, Smart) and look how far they're going with barely having a center. Clippers have 2 star wing players (PG13, Kawhi) and another solid starting wing (Morris) in their starting lineup and they are a contender. Rockets team is nothing but wings and guards. Miami has a few good wing guys too.

We don't need a player to come in and be a star right now, we need a guy that can play defense and knock down some shots. There are a few of those guys in this draft that will be right around where we pick OR might be picked before we do which is why some ppl here want to move up in the draft. 3&D wing players are at a premium now. Every team is in search for these type of players.

We have KD, who will play the 4, we have Prince, we have TLC, we have Joe Harris. We need a guy with size in there. A guy that's a solid 6'8 that can hold his own. Thybule from the 76ers was dominate as a rookie . I say we try to draft one of these rookie wings that has athleticism , and try to sign a vet wing. A guy like Jae Crowder or Mo Harkless etc.. We also need a guard that can play defense. I'm not worried about the bigs now. We can find those guys for cheaper.
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Post#1509 » by DarkXaero » Tue Sep 8, 2020 5:35 pm

So Wilson Chandler is signing with a Chinese team (strange), so that's one roster spot free, and I suppose the backup PF position as well.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1510 » by GTR11 » Tue Sep 8, 2020 6:20 pm

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Papi_swav wrote:I don't know what you mean by this.? he just paid Levert to a decent size contract. He also gave Joe Harris and Din a 2nd contract. Not sure what you mean

That was meant to Kamaze and that previous post above.
With the current management I can't recall any transactions being made to move up in a draft. We in win now mode yet I keep seeing people bring up draft as more important than some players. As I explained, win now teams most of the times do not move up in a draft while surrendering their players. Opposite is what happens 99% of the time. In addition to it there's not one sure star player/s that coming out and within our reach.
We have good prospects that still need to be developed and couple picks we have to make our decision with. I get the fact that you never stop building for future and our organization made it clear that it'll be their priority. However how often you see players come in and contribute right away? Barkley was the last one I can recall. Even though it still took him few years to figure it out. Does it make sense to give up Din or LeVert to move up into top seven right now? To me it's laughable at this point.

lol come on dude, there has been countless other players that stepped in and played great after being drafted. I think the point is that there are a lot of 3 and D wing guys in this draft that will FIT with our team. This is a wing league now and in order to win it now, we need as much 3&D wings as can.

Boston has 3 very good wing players (Brown, Tatum, Hayward) and 2 good guard players (Kemba, Smart) and look how far they're going with barely having a center. Clippers have 2 star wing players (PG13, Kawhi) and another solid starting wing (Morris) in their starting lineup and they are a contender. Rockets team is nothing but wings and guards. Miami has a few good wing guys too.

We don't need a player to come in and be a star right now, we need a guy that can play defense and knock down some shots. There are a few of those guys in this draft that will be right around where we pick OR might be picked before we do which is why some ppl here want to move up in the draft. 3&D wing players are at a premium now. Every team is in search for these type of players.

We have KD, who will play the 4, we have Prince, we have TLC, we have Joe Harris. We need a guy with size in there. A guy that's a solid 6'8 that can hold his own. Thybule from the 76ers was dominate as a rookie . I say we try to draft one of these rookie wings that has athleticism , and try to sign a vet wing. A guy like Jae Crowder or Mo Harkless etc.. We also need a guard that can play defense. I'm not worried about the bigs now. We can find those guys for cheaper.

Like who? Our own R. Jefferson? We didn't move into top 7 for that. Rondo? C never used players to get him. Can't recall any team in past 20 years to do so.
I think we already agreed on the fact that Allen most likely expendable on this team because the way league going and how our team constructed. But some talking about Din and Caris, to me that's a crazy talk.
As I've mentioned before I think we going to stay pat and wait on Beal. Right now our players have high value and actually can boost it up a few notches more. Time is on our side right now, I'm not moving anyone unless there's no lose situation.
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Post#1511 » by Nycnyc7188 » Tue Sep 8, 2020 7:38 pm

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vincecarter4pres wrote:Uuh... 7th overall pick? :dontknow:

Just an idea, but allows you to re-sign the better player in Dinwiddie and gives you a young salary controlled player to groom and grow, who could immediately contribute as well.

On paper it’s fair value imho as long as there’s a guy Marks loves in that area of the draft.

It’s the kind of smart, forward thinking move, progressive franchises do if they think their Kawhi v2.0 is there, or to flip the pick in a different trade for a team who wants a lotto pick instead of Caris for their guy.

Steph Curry and Jamal Murray have both gone 7th in the last 10 years, along with countless other stars in that 7 to 15 range. I’d trust Marks in the draft if he made a move like that.

Um no.this draft is super weak.and this is a dumb idea


it may be a weak draft but its not like levert is some cant miss, young, cost controlled asset.

at 26, missing time to injury 6 straight years, and having his issues on both ends of the ball that is certainly fair value

Still a dumb trade idea..moving on
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Post#1512 » by Prokorov » Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:02 pm

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Nycnyc7188 wrote:Um no.this draft is super weak.and this is a dumb idea


it may be a weak draft but its not like levert is some cant miss, young, cost controlled asset.

at 26, missing time to injury 6 straight years, and having his issues on both ends of the ball that is certainly fair value

Still a dumb trade idea..moving on


nothing dumb about it.

Levert is marginalized when he isnt a #1 option. he doesnt fit well with our stars returning from injury, he is a third injury risk among our best players. and his value is high.

at pick #7 we would 100% get someone on a better salary with less injury questions and it is extremely likely that player is flat out better than levert and./or much better withi the role he would play here.
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Post#1513 » by Prokorov » Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:13 pm

GTR11 wrote:Like who? Our own R. Jefferson? We didn't move into top 7 for that. Rondo? C never used players to get him. Can't recall any team in past 20 years to do so.

20 years?!

Come on man. here are guys taken picks 5 through 10 since 2010:

-Paul George
-Lauri Markanen
-Jonathan Isaac
-Shai Grigoreous Alexander
-Marcus Smart
-Julius Randle
-KCP
-Justice Winslow
-Emanuel Mudiay
-Al-Farouq Aminu
-Harrison Barnes
-Terrance Ross
-Buddy Hield
-Mikhail Bridges


And thats just the Wing/Forward types and excludes all-stars taken in that range like Jamal Murry, Kemba and McCollum.
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Post#1514 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:35 pm

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MrDollarBills wrote:Yall are talking about trading Allen or LeVert for names like Tony Snell and JJ Reddick......

we'd be better off keeping both of them at that rate. jesus christ


Well these are the options:

1. Pay Allen $10-$15 million in free agency and have over $20 million committed to two rim running bigs who can’t stretch the floor and are unplayable against certain matchups.

2. Keep Allen for 1 year, then lose him for nothing in free agency.

3. Since we already have DJ, try to use Allen as a trade chip to move up in the draft and/or acquire a player that helps us win now.

I’m making the argument moving up in the draft and getting Saddiq Bey (or whoever) on a cost controlled contract for the next 4 years is more valuable to us than 1 year of Allen. We already have DJ, Claxton, and KD that can play the 5.


DeAndre Jordan will be most likely unplayable within another year, he is past his prime. Jury is out on Claxton, and how happy will KD be playing a lot of mins at center?

I'd rather pay Allen 12-13 mil and dump Jordan as soon as possible. He was a malcontent, it took him half a season to actually look decent, and he is on the decline.

I think everyone is buying into the rockets small ball hype and is now undervaluing size....which is hilarious because if you go back several month on this board, everyone was crying about the lack of size up front on the Nets.

I'm all for trading players for good value. I just don't see good value in this move. Bey is projected anywhere between 13-19, i'm not trading Allen for that.
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Post#1515 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:40 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:Absolutely #1. $25mil or so for 2 years for a top 10ish C rotation when you're over the cap regardless is not crippling. If you move or let Allen go, you still need at least one more C that likely takes some or all of the MLE. You can't roll with 32+ year old Jordan as your starting C for 3 more years.


I agree with the Jordan part. At the same time, you can always get those Ed Davis, Nerlens Noel, Biyombo, Plumlee, types to patch up the C spot. So 48 minutes spread out by DJ, Claxton, KD, and a vet minimum C.

My fear is is we make a deep playoff run. The whole league sees how good Allen (and Dinwiddie) are, and then we lose both of them for nothing in free agency.

Allen is restricted. We're not going to lose him in free agency. I'm convinced Dinwiddie seeks out a starting role, so he's far more likely to walk. I also think spending $25ish mil on Allen and Jordan for 2 years is more cost efficient than paying $56ish mil per year for Kyrie and Dinwiddie, especially with LeVert locked in


The more likely scenario is that LeVert shifts to super 6th man where he can ball dominant in the 2nd unit. Dinwiddie is all but certain to leave.
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Post#1516 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:44 pm

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TheNetsFan wrote:Allen is restricted. We're not going to lose him in free agency. I'm convinced Dinwiddie seeks out a starting role, so he's far more likely to walk. I also think spending $25ish mil on Allen and Jordan for 2 years is more cost efficient than paying $56ish mil per year for Kyrie and Dinwiddie, especially with LeVert locked in


3 years ago Marks wanted John Collins. A big that can shoot, dribble, pass, and stretch the floor. We missed him by 3 picks. He would been perfect for us right now.

Marks is ahead of the curve. All the best teams are spending less and less money on centers, especially centers who can’t shoot. The waiver wire is littered with rim running bigs.

I can’t see Joe Tsai spending $60 million of his own money (Allen $15 million salary times 4 for luxury tax) for a backup center. And that’s just for one season. You can get 80% of what Allen does for the vet minimum.

In crunch time, Allen and DJ wouldn’t even get minutes. Look at the Lakers, they can’t even play McGee or Howard in the Rocket series. Celtics close games with Kemba, Smart, Brown, Hayward, and Tatum. You can make a case, we’ve already committed too much money to the C position.

And this is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. Centers ain't it no more. Allen won't make or beak us, as much as I like him. This is a wing heavy league now. I wish we could keep Allen instead of DJ and maybe Marks puts his big boy pants on and makes that decision himself. But there is no reason to be paying around 25M per year for 2 centers that are basically the same type of player. Not sure what happens but I kinda hope we keep Allen for this year, unless we get an offer we can't refuse.


You still need size in the east. We have to play against the Bucks, Sixers, Raptors, Heat, etc.

Again, I think people are overselling what Houston is doing with their PG/SG/SF/SF/SF line up. They were a missed Chris Paul mid range J from getting knocked out in the first round. It's not sustainable and the Lakers will show everyone why.

I'm not advocating paying centers 20+ mil, and I agree that 3 + D wings, especially for our team, are a need. But we still need shot blocking, rebounding, and the ability to make teams pay in the pick and roll.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1517 » by MrDollarBills » Tue Sep 8, 2020 8:49 pm

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Papi_swav wrote:I don't know what you mean by this.? he just paid Levert to a decent size contract. He also gave Joe Harris and Din a 2nd contract. Not sure what you mean

That was meant to Kamaze and that previous post above.
With the current management I can't recall any transactions being made to move up in a draft. We in win now mode yet I keep seeing people bring up draft as more important than some players. As I explained, win now teams most of the times do not move up in a draft while surrendering their players. Opposite is what happens 99% of the time. In addition to it there's not one sure star player/s that coming out and within our reach.
We have good prospects that still need to be developed and couple picks we have to make our decision with. I get the fact that you never stop building for future and our organization made it clear that it'll be their priority. However how often you see players come in and contribute right away? Barkley was the last one I can recall. Even though it still took him few years to figure it out. Does it make sense to give up Din or LeVert to move up into top seven right now? To me it's laughable at this point.

lol come on dude, there has been countless other players that stepped in and played great after being drafted. I think the point is that there are a lot of 3 and D wing guys in this draft that will FIT with our team. This is a wing league now and in order to win it now, we need as much 3&D wings as can.

Boston has 3 very good wing players (Brown, Tatum, Hayward) and 2 good guard players (Kemba, Smart) and look how far they're going with barely having a center. Clippers have 2 star wing players (PG13, Kawhi) and another solid starting wing (Morris) in their starting lineup and they are a contender. Rockets team is nothing but wings and guards. Miami has a few good wing guys too.

We don't need a player to come in and be a star right now, we need a guy that can play defense and knock down some shots. There are a few of those guys in this draft that will be right around where we pick OR might be picked before we do which is why some ppl here want to move up in the draft. 3&D wing players are at a premium now. Every team is in search for these type of players.

We have KD, who will play the 4, we have Prince, we have TLC, we have Joe Harris. We need a guy with size in there. A guy that's a solid 6'8 that can hold his own. Thybule from the 76ers was dominate as a rookie . I say we try to draft one of these rookie wings that has athleticism , and try to sign a vet wing. A guy like Jae Crowder or Mo Harkless etc.. We also need a guard that can play defense. I'm not worried about the bigs now. We can find those guys for cheaper.


If/when Boston makes the conference finals, if they run Tatum on Adebayo I will have a bag of popcorn ready to see how that fares for them.

Every team that you mention outside of the Rockets still use big men. I think the Rockets are the outlier here, and not the norm.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1518 » by ProspectPark » Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:06 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
7footMONSTER wrote:
MrDollarBills wrote:Yall are talking about trading Allen or LeVert for names like Tony Snell and JJ Reddick......

we'd be better off keeping both of them at that rate. jesus christ


Well these are the options:

1. Pay Allen $10-$15 million in free agency and have over $20 million committed to two rim running bigs who can’t stretch the floor and are unplayable against certain matchups.

2. Keep Allen for 1 year, then lose him for nothing in free agency.

3. Since we already have DJ, try to use Allen as a trade chip to move up in the draft and/or acquire a player that helps us win now.

I’m making the argument moving up in the draft and getting Saddiq Bey (or whoever) on a cost controlled contract for the next 4 years is more valuable to us than 1 year of Allen. We already have DJ, Claxton, and KD that can play the 5.


DeAndre Jordan will be most likely unplayable within another year, he is past his prime. Jury is out on Claxton, and how happy will KD be playing a lot of mins at center?

I'd rather pay Allen 12-13 mil and dump Jordan as soon as possible. He was a malcontent, it took him half a season to actually look decent, and he is on the decline.

I think everyone is buying into the rockets small ball hype and is now undervaluing size....which is hilarious because if you go back several month on this board, everyone was crying about the lack of size up front on the Nets.

I'm all for trading players for good value. I just don't see good value in this move. Bey is projected anywhere between 13-19, i'm not trading Allen for that.


Here is a quote about the Nets salary cap from NetsDaily:

“If the luxury tax comes in at $132.7 million, the Nets would start the off-season $9.9 million over the threshold and with a $15.9 million penalty. A Harris contract starting at $12 million would push the Nets’ tax bill to $49.9 million — a combined $46 million in 2020-21 to retain the 28-year-old.”

https://www.netsdaily.com/2020/8/30/21407568/netsdaily-off-season-report-no-1

I think Harris gets way more $12 million but that’s besides the point. After this season, we have both Dinwiddie and Allen hitting free agency. I think it’s reasonable to assume that at least one of them is not coming back. So instead of losing one of them for nothing, I would rather get something back in return.

All of these $10-$15 million contracts end up costing close to $50 a year when you include the luxury tax, plus we will be a repeat offender after next season, so the tax will be even more.
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1519 » by ProspectPark » Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:14 pm

A trade that helps us get off Prince’s contract and gets us the 10th pick in the draft:

Phoenix sends:
Kelly Oubre
10th pick

Nets send:
Taurean Prince
Spencer Dinwiddie
19th pick

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/valleyofthesuns.com/2020/08/18/phoenix-suns-perfect-realistic-trade/amp/

Usually these FanSided trades are not even worth discussing, but this one isn’t that bad. Getting off Prince’s contract helps us retain Allen, we might get the full MLE next off season, and the 10th pick gives Marks a chance to draft one of the best 3&D sings in the draft.

What do you guys think?
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Re: Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season 

Post#1520 » by ProspectPark » Tue Sep 8, 2020 9:20 pm

MrDollarBills wrote:
Papi_swav wrote:
GTR11 wrote:That was meant to Kamaze and that previous post above.
With the current management I can't recall any transactions being made to move up in a draft. We in win now mode yet I keep seeing people bring up draft as more important than some players. As I explained, win now teams most of the times do not move up in a draft while surrendering their players. Opposite is what happens 99% of the time. In addition to it there's not one sure star player/s that coming out and within our reach.
We have good prospects that still need to be developed and couple picks we have to make our decision with. I get the fact that you never stop building for future and our organization made it clear that it'll be their priority. However how often you see players come in and contribute right away? Barkley was the last one I can recall. Even though it still took him few years to figure it out. Does it make sense to give up Din or LeVert to move up into top seven right now? To me it's laughable at this point.

lol come on dude, there has been countless other players that stepped in and played great after being drafted. I think the point is that there are a lot of 3 and D wing guys in this draft that will FIT with our team. This is a wing league now and in order to win it now, we need as much 3&D wings as can.

Boston has 3 very good wing players (Brown, Tatum, Hayward) and 2 good guard players (Kemba, Smart) and look how far they're going with barely having a center. Clippers have 2 star wing players (PG13, Kawhi) and another solid starting wing (Morris) in their starting lineup and they are a contender. Rockets team is nothing but wings and guards. Miami has a few good wing guys too.

We don't need a player to come in and be a star right now, we need a guy that can play defense and knock down some shots. There are a few of those guys in this draft that will be right around where we pick OR might be picked before we do which is why some ppl here want to move up in the draft. 3&D wing players are at a premium now. Every team is in search for these type of players.

We have KD, who will play the 4, we have Prince, we have TLC, we have Joe Harris. We need a guy with size in there. A guy that's a solid 6'8 that can hold his own. Thybule from the 76ers was dominate as a rookie . I say we try to draft one of these rookie wings that has athleticism , and try to sign a vet wing. A guy like Jae Crowder or Mo Harkless etc.. We also need a guard that can play defense. I'm not worried about the bigs now. We can find those guys for cheaper.


If/when Boston makes the conference finals, if they run Tatum on Adebayo I will have a bag of popcorn ready to see how that fares for them.

Every team that you mention outside of the Rockets still use big men. I think the Rockets are the outlier here, and not the norm.


I agree with the every team still uses big men part, but you can find these rim protecting bigs on the waiver wire for the vet minimum. McGee, Biyombo, Whiteside, Nerlens, Ed Davis, Henson, Taj Gibson, Noah...etc.

I’m not saying 100% trade Allen, but if it helps us get a 6’8 3&D wing, then that is something that should be explored. The 2–way forward is much harder to find in today’s NBA.

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