Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

I'm still not seeing the upside for OKC to get Harris. They won't be competing for the foreseeable future and he's not under the age of 25 with a massive contract. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

Point taken, after thinking about it, it does seem a little far fetched. The thing is, IF OKC is hell bent on trading CP3, then they're going to have to take on salary right? Thing is Harris is locked in for what? Another four years? Yeah...OKC could deal Paul for basically cap relief I guess. Not sure which teams can offer that, but i'm sure there's a few out there that can.

[stormi]

Denver a sleeper destination for CP3. I'd want to go there if I were him too.

[Kobblehead]

All I can say is thank God you arent control of this team lol.

If I was running this team, I'd bring joy to your life because we'd be a perennial contender. I'd like to say "you're welcome" from that hypothetical scenario.

[Arsenal]

A small trade I'd be interested in this summer would be grabbing Monte Morris from the Nuggets.

Shake for Monte would work and I feel would benefit us greatly; to the point where I'd be fine with starting him. Doesn't turn the ball over much, great vision, runs the offense well, hits open shots.

I'd be interested in that route if everything else falls through.

I need the Nuggets to add because Morris needs to get paid in 1 year while Shake has 3 cheap years left. Cheap years we desperately need because of profligacy elsewhere.

[Kobblehead]

We also had this guy named JJ redick and he was unbelievably important to this team

Redick was our emotional leader but let's stop romanticizing his importance. He was a trainwreck defensively that was attacked relentlessly. You're not a serious playoff team when you're lining up J.J. Redick for over 30 minutes a night.

He was the sole reason we had spacing last year. We had the worlds worst defensive coach guiding us on defense. There are ways to hide weak defenders. We didnt implement any

He's a defensive sieve that can't score off the dribble. You can't hide bad defenders in a league that stopped fighting through screens.

Keep that in mind next time you propose a trade for Hield/Barnes (two more terrible defenders that can't score off the dribble).

[Arsenal]

I'm still not seeing the upside for OKC to get Harris. They won't be competing for the foreseeable future and he's not under the age of 25 with a massive contract. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

The only reason they take Tobias is if they are paid handsomely to do so. Then Presti would pump and dump him in a year or two by giving him heavy usage and fooling another idiot front office into thinking he's better than he really is.

[DT RAW]

Redick was our emotional leader but let's stop romanticizing his importance. He was a trainwreck defensively that was attacked relentlessly. You're not a serious playoff team when you're lining up J.J. Redick for over 30 minutes a night.

He was the sole reason we had spacing last year. We had the worlds worst defensive coach guiding us on defense. There are ways to hide weak defenders. We didnt implement any

He's a defensive sieve that can't score off the dribble. You can't hide bad defenders in a league that stopped fighting through screens.

Keep that in mind next time you propose a trade for Hield/Barnes (two more terrible defenders that can't score off the dribble).

thats funny, how does boston have a top 4 defense while hiding 3 sieves in their starting 5 all year?

oh that's right, you keep ignoring that fact.

[51X3RF4N]

How about this...

PHI in: CP3, Spellman, #1, #17, 2023 Unprotected MIN 1st

PHI out: Simmons, Scott, Korkmaz

Why? Turn Ben into a win now and win the future move.

OKC in: Johnson, Scott, Culver, Korkmaz

OKC out: CP3

Why? Expirings and 2 young players for CP3. I'd call that a win for a rebuilding team.

Minny in: Simmons

Minny out: Culver, Johnson, Spellman, #1, #17, 2023 Unprotected 1st

Why? Simmons gives them the 3 best friends there ever were, and a chance to win the West. They sell the farm for him.

Philly ends up with:

Embiid/Spellman
Harris/?
?/Thybulle
Edwards/Shake
CP3/?

With Richardson, Horford, #17, #21, #34, #36, #49, #58 and Zhaire to use to find 3 missing pieces.

CP3 can teach Edwards the intensity he needs to play hard every night on both ends, and he has experience with Harden he can use to help Edwards develop his game like Harden's. Grab a PG in the draft with one of the mid 1st picks for CP3 to also mentor.

[davesilver]

How about this...

PHI in: CP3, Spellman, #1, #17, 2023 Unprotected MIN 1st

PHI out: Simmons, Scott, Korkmaz

Why? Turn Ben into a win now and win the future move.

OKC in: Johnson, Scott, Culver, Korkmaz

OKC out: CP3

Why? Expirings and 2 young players for CP3. I'd call that a win for a rebuilding team.

Minny in: Simmons

Minny out: Culver, Johnson, Spellman, #1, #17, 2023 Unprotected 1st

Why? Simmons gives them the 3 best friends there ever were, and a chance to win the West. They sell the farm for him.

Philly ends up with:

Embiid/Spellman
Harris/?
?/Thybulle
Edwards/Shake
CP3/?

With Richardson, Horford, #17, #21, #34, #36, #49, #58 and Zhaire to use to find 3 missing pieces.

CP3 can teach Edwards the intensity he needs to play hard every night on both ends, and he has experience with Harden he can use to help Edwards develop his game like Harden's. Grab a PG in the draft with one of the mid 1st picks for CP3 to also mentor.

Hard no to Edwards. Timeline doesn’t make sense.

[51X3RF4N]

The more I think about everything...

If EB really sits down with Joel and Ben, and asks them who they want to play with...

I could definitely see Embiid taking JJs advice and telling Brand he wants to play with Buddy Hield. It really just makes too much sense. Embiid wants to run his 2 man game with an elite shooter. Hield wants out.

Seems to me like Tobias at the stretch 4 role for them makes a lot more sense than Buddy off the bench.

Tobias, Furkan, #21, and a stash of 2nds

for

Buddy, Bjelica, and #12

I would slide Matisse into the starting lineup in a match up based role.

Teams may target Buddy on switches in the playoffs but a good coach won't get killed the way Brett did with not being able to adjust defensive schemes.

Ben covers the best player from 1-4, Matisse covers the 2nd best player from 1-3, and Embiid covers the 5. Buddy covers the worst offensive player from the other team at the 1-3 spots. There aren't too many purely bad offensive players at the SF spot in the NBA, so likely Buddy would end up on the SG who can't shoot, or the defensive minded PG who isn't very quick most of the time.

2nd trade

Horford and Richardson

For

Feliciano, Arcidiacono, and Otto

Chicago gets a mentor to WCJ and a nifty defender in Richardson who they could also flip in another deal. And they don't give up much to get better on the floor.

Sixers get better fits and then go draft Saddiq Bey at $12. Bey works behind Thybulle at first, but eventually replaces Porter in the starting lineup next year.

Embiid/Feliciano
Porter/Bjelica
Thybulle/Bey
Hield/Milton
Simmons/Arcidiacono

This team is built around flexibility on defense and working the offense through Hield/Embiid with shooters and Simmons around them.

There is greater depth and fit.

Blend of youth with vets.

Championship!

[skulky]

How about this...

PHI in: CP3, Spellman, #1, #17, 2023 Unprotected MIN 1st

PHI out: Simmons, Scott, Korkmaz

Why? Turn Ben into a win now and win the future move.

OKC in: Johnson, Scott, Culver, Korkmaz

OKC out: CP3

Why? Expirings and 2 young players for CP3. I'd call that a win for a rebuilding team.

Minny in: Simmons

Minny out: Culver, Johnson, Spellman, #1, #17, 2023 Unprotected 1st

Why? Simmons gives them the 3 best friends there ever were, and a chance to win the West. They sell the farm for him.

Philly ends up with:

Embiid/Spellman
Harris/?
?/Thybulle
Edwards/Shake
CP3/?

With Richardson, Horford, #17, #21, #34, #36, #49, #58 and Zhaire to use to find 3 missing pieces.

CP3 can teach Edwards the intensity he needs to play hard every night on both ends, and he has experience with Harden he can use to help Edwards develop his game like Harden's. Grab a PG in the draft with one of the mid 1st picks for CP3 to also mentor.

Hard no to Edwards. Timeline doesn’t make sense.

Hard no to Edwards I don’t want any part of that dude. I don’t think he has it upstairs to make it and put it all together. He just has so many red flags. I’d much rather go after RJ Barrett who I rate much higher, and on dysfunctional ny knicks that you could get Barrett, number 8 and cap relief and other assets, they have so many pics. Barret has a much stronger work ethic than Edwards. A deal with Minnesota would be number 1 and not much, I’d rather have rj barret and Haliburton, and cap relief/ future pics than Edwards and 35+ cp3. I think if you move embiid or Simmons there’s several teams desperate for a splash/ star you can get a crazy deal. I think if the sixers offered the knicks embiid they’d give us anything, same with Chicago, or Charlotte.

[51X3RF4N]

How about this...

PHI in: CP3, Spellman, #1, #17, 2023 Unprotected MIN 1st

PHI out: Simmons, Scott, Korkmaz

Why? Turn Ben into a win now and win the future move.

OKC in: Johnson, Scott, Culver, Korkmaz

OKC out: CP3

Why? Expirings and 2 young players for CP3. I'd call that a win for a rebuilding team.

Minny in: Simmons

Minny out: Culver, Johnson, Spellman, #1, #17, 2023 Unprotected 1st

Why? Simmons gives them the 3 best friends there ever were, and a chance to win the West. They sell the farm for him.

Philly ends up with:

Embiid/Spellman
Harris/?
?/Thybulle
Edwards/Shake
CP3/?

With Richardson, Horford, #17, #21, #34, #36, #49, #58 and Zhaire to use to find 3 missing pieces.

CP3 can teach Edwards the intensity he needs to play hard every night on both ends, and he has experience with Harden he can use to help Edwards develop his game like Harden's. Grab a PG in the draft with one of the mid 1st picks for CP3 to also mentor.

Hard no to Edwards. Timeline doesn’t make sense.

Hard no to Edwards I don’t want any part of that dude. I don’t think he has it upstairs to make it and put it all together. He just has so many red flags. I’d much rather go after RJ Barrett who I rate much higher, and on dysfunctional ny knicks that you could get Barrett, number 8 and cap relief and other assets, they have so many pics. Barret has a much stronger work ethic than Edwards. A deal with Minnesota would be number 1 and not much, I’d rather have rj barret and Haliburton, and cap relief/ future pics than Edwards and 35+ cp3. I think if you move embiid or Simmons there’s several teams desperate for a splash/ star you can get a crazy deal. I think if the sixers offered the knicks embiid they’d give us anything, same with Chicago, or Charlotte.

Well, I don't know about all the red flags on Edwards other than his propensity to catch and hold the ball on offense, which can be coached away, and the fact that sometimes on defense he isn't all the way locked in, which again can be coached.

But otherwise, he is the exact prototype of a top 5 NBA player with his athleticism, height, strength, wingspan, ball handling, pull up jumper, step back jumper, and shifty driving ability. His offensive arsenal compares favorably to Mitchell and Harden but with more strength on a bigger frame.

You could plug him into an offense right away and he could be your Jimmy Butler closer type.

[skulky]

Perhaps this is more of draft topic, but there’s no question about Anthony Edwards physical tools.
Here’s an article about some of his issues:
https://sports.yahoo.com/anthony-edwards-importance-context-121717177.html

[youngcrev]

I'm still not seeing the upside for OKC to get Harris. They won't be competing for the foreseeable future and he's not under the age of 25 with a massive contract. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

I kind of get the logic of him being a younger replacement for Gallinari and keeping the same kind of look on the floor... But that kind of just puts you in no man's land. Add Tobias, subtract CP3 and Gallo, and you've got a team that's competing for 10th place in the West.

My read on the Donovan situation is that they want to go full rebuild and sell off parts after pumping up their value this season. Tear it down to SGA and the studs. Dort looks like a keeper too, though if someone was willing to overpay based on his playoff series I'd jump on that too if I was them.

Although maybe someone would have interest in Tobias via a 3 way?

[Negrodamus]

I'm still not seeing the upside for OKC to get Harris. They won't be competing for the foreseeable future and he's not under the age of 25 with a massive contract. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

I kind of get the logic of him being a younger replacement for Gallinari and keeping the same kind of look on the floor... But that kind of just puts you in no man's land. Add Tobias, subtract CP3 and Gallo, and you've got a team that's competing for 10th place in the West.

My read on the Donovan situation is that they want to go full rebuild and sell off parts after pumping up their value this season. Tear it down to SGA and the studs. Dort looks like a keeper too, though if someone was willing to overpay based on his playoff series I'd jump on that too if I was them.

Although maybe someone would have interest in Tobias via a 3 way?

I think the only way we trade Tobias is for expiring contracts. I think teams could be enamored with his ISO ability at 6'9, especially teams that plan on competing soon. Someone like Mike Conley.

[youngcrev]

I'm still not seeing the upside for OKC to get Harris. They won't be competing for the foreseeable future and he's not under the age of 25 with a massive contract. Makes absolutely no sense to me.

I kind of get the logic of him being a younger replacement for Gallinari and keeping the same kind of look on the floor... But that kind of just puts you in no man's land. Add Tobias, subtract CP3 and Gallo, and you've got a team that's competing for 10th place in the West.

My read on the Donovan situation is that they want to go full rebuild and sell off parts after pumping up their value this season. Tear it down to SGA and the studs. Dort looks like a keeper too, though if someone was willing to overpay based on his playoff series I'd jump on that too if I was them.

Although maybe someone would have interest in Tobias via a 3 way?

I think the only way we trade Tobias is for expiring contracts. I think teams could be enamored with his ISO ability at 6'9, especially teams that plan on competing soon. Someone like Mike Conley.

Yeah, I think you look at teams that had interest in him over the summer as potential landing spots (Horford as well).

Utah was one of those teams, though they might need to get rid of Bogdanovic in the process with Gobert and Mitchell due for raises.

I still like a Conley/Bogdanovic for Harris/Richardson/Scott swap for both teams. If you can then flip Conley and a pick for Chris Paul, even better.

[ProcessDoctor]

If Milwaukee (not Giannis) decides to trade Giannis, what would we have to add to Simmons to make it happen?

Let's pretend Philly is on Giannis's shortlist of teams he's willing to sign with long-term.

[stormi]

Giannis + a bounty of picks (like Presti got for PG) and i may consider it. Besides that I see no reason to downgrade.

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

The more I think about everything...

If EB really sits down with Joel and Ben, and asks them who they want to play with...

I could definitely see Embiid taking JJs advice and telling Brand he wants to play with Buddy Hield. It really just makes too much sense. Embiid wants to run his 2 man game with an elite shooter. Hield wants out.

Seems to me like Tobias at the stretch 4 role for them makes a lot more sense than Buddy off the bench.

Tobias, Furkan, #21, and a stash of 2nds

for

Buddy, Bjelica, and #12

I would slide Matisse into the starting lineup in a match up based role.

Teams may target Buddy on switches in the playoffs but a good coach won't get killed the way Brett did with not being able to adjust defensive schemes.

Ben covers the best player from 1-4, Matisse covers the 2nd best player from 1-3, and Embiid covers the 5. Buddy covers the worst offensive player from the other team at the 1-3 spots. There aren't too many purely bad offensive players at the SF spot in the NBA, so likely Buddy would end up on the SG who can't shoot, or the defensive minded PG who isn't very quick most of the time.

2nd trade

Horford and Richardson

For

Feliciano, Arcidiacono, and Otto

Chicago gets a mentor to WCJ and a nifty defender in Richardson who they could also flip in another deal. And they don't give up much to get better on the floor.

Sixers get better fits and then go draft Saddiq Bey at $12. Bey works behind Thybulle at first, but eventually replaces Porter in the starting lineup next year.

Embiid/Feliciano
Porter/Bjelica
Thybulle/Bey
Hield/Milton
Simmons/Arcidiacono

This team is built around flexibility on defense and working the offense through Hield/Embiid with shooters and Simmons around them.

There is greater depth and fit.

Blend of youth with vets.

Championship!

These trades are not only logical, but the pieces fit quite well, and there's appeal for the teams we are working with. Chicago gets Lavine some instant help with Richardson and Horford and Chicago can make their playoff push. Internal growth from White, LM, WCJ with Thad Young, Horford, and RIchardson? Yeah...Chicago would say yes I think. I mean, that's a playoff team if the young guys take the next step.

Harris is a good fit in Sacramento, both Hield and Bjelica want out. I don't necessarily think they will go for the pick swap, so we'd probably still be working with the 21st pick in the draft. FWIW I like both of those deals. We're a playoff team for sure, but we're still missing a halfcourt scoring guard. Someone that can break the defense down and score off the bounce. That would be my only complaint about that roster.

[Kobblehead]

If Milwaukee (not Giannis) decides to trade Giannis, what would we have to add to Simmons to make it happen?

Let's pretend Philly is on Giannis's shortlist of teams he's willing to sign with long-term.

That would just make us Lakers-East.

Who scores off the dribble in the halfcourt for us? We'd have the same issues they're having in L.A.