New Head Coach Mega Thread

musiqsoulchild · Post #521 » by **musiqsoulchild** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 4:39 am

Chi town wrote:
musiqsoulchild wrote:I think it's likely that we get Chris Paul and even Donovan.

At least we should be looking at that.

Likely?

Bucks will paying a first for CP3. AK won’t be coughing that up.

Likely in that a chance exists.

As opposed to no chance existing of say going after a Shooting Guard or a Big man in a mega trade.

PG and SF are most likely upgrade positions via trade. Of those 2, we already have a decent SF.

PG is where we are lacking.

weneeda2guard · Post #522 » by **weneeda2guard** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 4:59 am

I dont think its a coincidence that woj immediately tied donovan to the bulls and beal comments on it. It's likely talks have been happening behind closed doors.

Whatever the case its just great its some nice coaching options out here now and we will likely land one of them.

Chi town · Post #523 » by **Chi town** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 5:01 am

Looks like AK will be rewarded for his patience with a list of much more accomplished candidates.

MrFortune3 · Post #524 » by **MrFortune3** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 6:37 am

This Billy Donovan news is highly interesting. Not sure he would want to coach the Bulls during the initial build phase but man that would be a home run hire.

PrimzyBulls81 · Post #525 » by **PrimzyBulls81** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 8:25 am

Damn, if Donovan comes here, that would be great catch.

R3AL1TY · Post #526 » by **R3AL1TY** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 8:27 am

Donovan seemed to be the least of OKC's problems. Their major problem is keeping or attracting stars while rebuilding.

pylb · Post #527 » by **pylb** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 10:42 am

If Donovan is leaving OKC because they're rebuilding, why would he want to come to the Bulls ? I guess we're further along in the process, but we're still not a good team.

ShadyMoney · Post #528 » by **ShadyMoney** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 11:06 am

Trade for beal

rtblues · Post #529 » by **rtblues** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 11:57 am

The one debate that must be looked at the most carefully is the "Is it better to hire someone with head coaching experience, or are you okay with giving an assistant their first shot?" Seems like most people fall on one side or the other, without many being indifferent to this choice. So, it kind of starts out of there, and which camp one is in. That gives the Bulls something like 2 lists, the previous head coaching guys, and the assistants, or former players (hey, that's a thing too now, Nash..)

So I guess that in the end, you take the top 2 from each category and put them on some sort of final candidates list, and make the choice from there. I do know this, no matter who they end up hiring this board is going to explode. They can't satisfy all sides of the fan base's preferences. If they go with a newbie, the "former head coach contingency" will go nuts, and if they do hire a former head coach, the fans who preferred one or another person from the assistants ranks will slam whoever the hire is.

Even within these 2 individual sectors of former head coaches and "others", there doesn't seem to much support for any one overall consensus of who is the #1 prospect. So, there will be bitching regardless of who is hired. But we know that. It is sort of similar to the who should they draft question and the various camps of support in that debate. Similar in that, in my view, they should take the view of the who is the "best fit" for this current roster, since it is most likely not going to change much in any significant way.

They don't need to be looking for that guy who is the guy a team looks at to win you a title because he's that elite. Which is why I am okay with choosing someone from the assistant ranks to nurture their young roster. It means an emphasis on player development, yeah, anyone remember that? Whoever it is won't be the guy to lead this team to a title over the course of the contract he receives, this team is simply not that close to that. Not to mention that the names who fall into that "elite" bigger name guys, will be the most expensive, count on it.

In other words, "You don't need a Mercedes Benz to deliver pizzas". :lol:

Magilla_Gorilla · Post #530 » by **Magilla_Gorilla** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 1:29 pm

pylb wrote:If Donovan is leaving OKC because they're rebuilding, why would he want to come to the Bulls ? I guess we're further along in the process, but we're still not a good team.

I think the idea is to try and sell him on the fact that we are over the '15 win seasons' portion of the rebuild and we're now looking to take the next step to playoff team.

OKC is just starting the rebuild - which means at least a couple seasons of some truly miserable basketball.

Ebo21 · Post #531 » by **Ebo21** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 1:46 pm

I was all geared up for Udoka being the next head coach but this Billy Donovan news changes everything. I think he’s A perfect match with these young guys. Proven track record on the college level and relative success in NBA with a young group of guys. I could see this being a very nice fit.

Post #532 » by **dougthonus** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 2:11 pm

Donovan and McMillan are both guys I would take over any of the assistants that are looking.

Andi Obst · Post #533 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 2:26 pm

dougthonus wrote:Donovan and McMillan are both guys I would take over any of the assistants that are looking.

I get where you're coming from, but I think an assistant could also easily be the better choice. We just don't know anything about the guys who never were in full control.

FriedRise · Post #534 » by **FriedRise** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 2:26 pm

Teams that are still looking for a head coach:

Philly - 2 stars in Embiid, Simmons
Indiana - 2 all stars in Sabonis and Oladipo
New Orleans - ZION, MIP winner in Ingram
Chicago - almost All Star in Zach LaVine, almost All NBA Defensive Team in Kris Dunn (a bench player)

The expectations and pressure in Philly to win now will be pretty high despite the roster fit issue. Indiana made the playoffs with Oladipo missing 50+ games and are looking to take that next step. New Orleans had an injury ridden season but Ingram and Zion looked pretty good despite only playing a handful of games.

Chicago can only muster 22 wins 2 seasons in a row.

Yeah I'd estimate that we're well at the bottom of that list in terms of having a roster that's ready to compete. I'd be shocked (though ecstatic) if we can somehow lure Donovan here. I think the more realistic chance is still one of these assistant coaches looking for their first opportunity.

Post #535 » by **dougthonus** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 2:36 pm

Little Nathan wrote:I get where you're coming from, but I think an assistant could also easily be the better choice. We just don't know anything about the guys who never were in full control.

Yeah, sure, it could be, or it could be another Boylen. You know if you hire McMillan or Donovan you are going to have a quality head coach where you aren't at a deficit. You take Udoka or Griffin or one of these other guys and who knows.

I won't be super made if we go with an assistant, and I expect we will, because both Donovan and McMillan probably will cost more than we want to pay.

I tend to think coaching quality has high diminishing returns. If your guy hits the minimum bar, then you're not going to get much better for someone who is a tiny bit better. Like swapping Popovich, Donovan, Stevens, Nurse, Spoelstra, and McMillan (or whomever) isn't going to yield notably different results. Donovan and McMillan definitely pass that minimum threshold, you're just guessing with an assistant.

Post #536 » by **dougthonus** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 2:40 pm

FriedRise wrote:Teams that are still looking for a head coach:

Philly - 2 stars in Embiid, Simmons
Indiana - 2 all stars in Sabonis and Oladipo
New Orleans - ZION, MIP winner in Ingram
Chicago - almost All Star in Zach LaVine, almost All NBA Defensive Team in Kris Dunn (a bench player)

The expectations and pressure in Philly to win now will be pretty high despite the roster fit issue. Indiana made the playoffs with Oladipo missing 50+ games and are looking to take that next step. New Orleans had an injury ridden season but Ingram and Zion looked pretty good despite only playing a handful of games.

Chicago can only muster 22 wins 2 seasons in a row.

Yeah I'd estimate that we're well at the bottom of that list in terms of having a roster that's ready to compete. I'd be shocked (though ecstatic) if we can somehow lure Donovan here. I think the more realistic chance is still one of these assistant coaches looking for their first opportunity.

I doubt this is Donovan's first choice. I also doubt the Bulls are going to win by overpaying him.

I don't know if we're even interested, but certainly we should be.

ArmTriangle · Post #537 » by **ArmTriangle** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 2:43 pm

FriedRise wrote:Teams that are still looking for a head coach:

Philly - 2 stars in Embiid, Simmons
Indiana - 2 all stars in Sabonis and Oladipo
New Orleans - ZION, MIP winner in Ingram
Chicago - almost All Star in Zach LaVine, almost All NBA Defensive Team in Kris Dunn (a bench player)

The expectations and pressure in Philly to win now will be pretty high despite the roster fit issue. Indiana made the playoffs with Oladipo missing 50+ games and are looking to take that next step. New Orleans had an injury ridden season but Ingram and Zion looked pretty good despite only playing a handful of games.

Chicago can only muster 22 wins 2 seasons in a row.

Yeah I'd estimate that we're well at the bottom of that list in terms of having a roster that's ready to compete. I'd be shocked (though ecstatic) if we can somehow lure Donovan here. I think the more realistic chance is still one of these assistant coaches looking for their first opportunity.

The X-factor is AK. If there is mutual respect between a top coach, say Donovan, and AK along with AK's job security that is probably at least 4-5 years, might make for an appealing destination. Clearly work to do, but might have a few positives.

Andi Obst · Post #538 » by **Andi Obst** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 3:10 pm

dougthonus wrote:I tend to think coaching quality has high diminishing returns. If your guy hits the minimum bar, then you're not going to get much better for someone who is a tiny bit better. Like swapping Popovich, Donovan, Stevens, Nurse, Spoelstra, and McMillan (or whomever) isn't going to yield notably different results. Donovan and McMillan definitely pass that minimum threshold, you're just guessing with an assistant.

McMillan and Donovan are definitely not on the level of the other guys you mentioned IMO. Toronto isn't nearly as dangerous with one of them instead of Nurse. I think you can definitely do better, but I obviously can't tell if one of the candidates actually will be better.

gardenofsound · Post #539 » by **gardenofsound** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 3:17 pm

IDK, I think Chicago could be a very appealing job...

1. It's the biggest market with a current HC opening, and is the 3rd biggest market in the country with arguably the second most iconic brand of all teams (Lakers are #1 here, obviously). Success in Chicago has much more visibility and glamour than any of the other markets with a HC vacancy, and it's really not close.

2. The roster is expected to be heavily turned over between now and the 2021-2022 season tipoff. LOTS of cap space projected to be available next off-season.

3. Decent talent to work with and develop this year in Coby White, WCJ, Gafford and LaVine, and whoever gets drafted this year. Maybe Lauri gets back on track also if he isn't traded. There aren't any divas on this roster. The "star" is an exceptionally hard worker (LaVine), and the rest understand that they are role players with potential to be more.

4. Lower pressure for immediate success. It's known that this roster has talent but also has a lot of holes. Fans hope for the playoffs next season, but would be foolish to expect it as table stakes.

5. Arturas Karnisovas is not GarPax. A modicum of integrity and support (in terms of players and philosophy) can now be expected.

Post #540 » by **dougthonus** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 3:21 pm

Little Nathan wrote:McMillan and Donovan are definitely not on the level of the other guys you mentioned IMO. Toronto isn't nearly as dangerous with one of them instead of Nurse. I think you can definitely do better, but I obviously can't tell if one of the candidates actually will be better.

Unlike with players, you can never really tell how much impact coaches have. Personally, I think swapping out any of the top 15 coaches with each other likely means less than 2 games win difference on the season unless there is just a major personality conflict.