2019-20 NBA Season Discussion

[Orin]

Its so obvious Lakers are gonna win it all at this point

This is eerie to 01 Lakers

Lebron and Davis are the 2 best players in the playoffs and ppl are overrating the lack of a "3rd guy"

it was Markieff/Kuz game 2, Rondo/Kuz now. A role player always steps up

it was just like the 01 Lakers. Fisher, Horry, Ho Grant, Fox etc would all alternate at having big games or series randomly. Rondo/Kuz/Markieff/Kcp/Danny/Caruso are always capable of that and defensively Dwight is capable of being the difference maker in the right matchup

Am I crazy for not thinking this? I think that the Lakers definitely have a great shot, but the Clippers are really good, and if Kawhi outplays LeBron, then the Clippers' role player advantage may give them the edge. I could also see the Rockets pulling off the upset if they start bombing threes. And all three possible Finals teams from the East have a significant coaching advantage.

I dunno... I don't think it's 100% obvious yet, but LeBron and AD look so good... Kind of scary.

Yeah, Spo, Nurse and Stevens are three of the top 5 coaches in the league (along Carlise and Pop for me). Doc and Vogel are good, but I wouldn't be shocked if the champion comes from the east this year.

[E-Balla]

Its so obvious Lakers are gonna win it all at this point

This is eerie to 01 Lakers

Lebron and Davis are the 2 best players in the playoffs and ppl are overrating the lack of a "3rd guy"

it was Markieff/Kuz game 2, Rondo/Kuz now. A role player always steps up

it was just like the 01 Lakers. Fisher, Horry, Ho Grant, Fox etc would all alternate at having big games or series randomly. Rondo/Kuz/Markieff/Kcp/Danny/Caruso are always capable of that and defensively Dwight is capable of being the difference maker in the right matchup

Am I crazy for not thinking this? I think that the Lakers definitely have a great shot, but the Clippers are really good, and if Kawhi outplays LeBron, then the Clippers' role player advantage may give them the edge. I could also see the Rockets pulling off the upset if they start bombing threes. And all three possible Finals teams from the East have a significant coaching advantage.

I dunno... I don't think it's 100% obvious yet, but LeBron and AD look so good... Kind of scary.

Yeah, Spo, Nurse and Stevens are three of the top 5 coaches in the league (along Carlise and Pop for me). Doc and Vogel are good, but I wouldn't be shocked if the champion comes from the east this year.

Doc > Rick

Too many overachieving rosters in his career to not put him over Rick even if Doc isn't the best x's and o's coach. His only issue is the two 3-1 chokes.

[E-Balla]

Giannis/CP3/Middleton closing lineups next year. Gee whiz, hello 70-ish win pace lol.

Chris paul isnt good for his value tho lmao.

Thatd be 102 million between them.

And they already dumped Brogdon (note: He averaged 21.5 ppg against Miami in the playoffs ) over the luxury tax, no way they go get CP3 now an have to pay it.

[Peregrine01]

Maybe Harden just doesn't have the motor to move off ball like a Steph or Reggie? It's an awful lot to just assume he doesn't do it because he doesn't want to.

[Doctor MJ]

Maybe Harden just doesn't have the motor to move off ball like a Steph or Reggie? It's an awful lot to just assume he doesn't do it because he doesn't want to.

There's certainly truth in that. Steph & Reggie are skinny little guys, Harden's beefy.

I do think though that there's a greyscale here. You can do more than just stand around even if you can't move like Reggie.

The thing that's a challenge, I think, is that Harden is basically used to doing everything on offense for as many possessions as he can. So long as a team operates like that, it's unreasonable to expect him to do much when he doesn't have the ball. So long as that imbalance is baked into the team, it makes sense for Harden to be like he is...but I also think it's caused him to learn bad habits that aren't what you want when you do have more balance, which inevitably, a championship team needs.

[MartinToVaught]

Am I crazy for not thinking this? I think that the Lakers definitely have a great shot, but the Clippers are really good, and if Kawhi outplays LeBron, then the Clippers' role player advantage may give them the edge. I could also see the Rockets pulling off the upset if they start bombing threes. And all three possible Finals teams from the East have a significant coaching advantage.

I dunno... I don't think it's 100% obvious yet, but LeBron and AD look so good... Kind of scary.

Yeah, Spo, Nurse and Stevens are three of the top 5 coaches in the league (along Carlise and Pop for me). Doc and Vogel are good, but I wouldn't be shocked if the champion comes from the east this year.

Doc > Rick

Too many overachieving rosters in his career to not put him over Rick even if Doc isn't the best x's and o's coach. His only issue is the two 3-1 chokes.

LOL no. Rick just got done coaching circles around Doc in the first round. Doc got bailed out by Kawhi and the Mavs' injuries that series.

If Carlisle was coaching this Clippers team right now, they'd actually look like the juggernaut they're hyped up to be. It's impossible to understate how much Doc holds this team back with his nonsensical rotations, stagnant isoball, and refusal to make timely adjustments.

For the record, it's not just the two 3-1 chokes that hurt Doc's legacy. He also has the most blown series leads in general of any coach AND the most home Game 7 losses.

[E-Balla]

Yeah, Spo, Nurse and Stevens are three of the top 5 coaches in the league (along Carlise and Pop for me). Doc and Vogel are good, but I wouldn't be shocked if the champion comes from the east this year.

Doc > Rick

Too many overachieving rosters in his career to not put him over Rick even if Doc isn't the best x's and o's coach. His only issue is the two 3-1 chokes.

LOL no. Rick just got done coaching circles around Doc in the first round. Doc got bailed out by Kawhi and the Mavs' injuries that series.

If Carlisle was coaching this Clippers team right now, they'd actually look like the juggernaut they're hyped up to be. It's impossible to understate how much Doc holds this team back with his nonsensical rotations, stagnant isoball, and refusal to make timely adjustments.

For the record, it's not just the two 3-1 chokes that hurt Doc's legacy. He also has the most blown series leads in general of any coach AND the most home Game 7 losses.

Doc wasn't bailed out. It's not his fault PG flat out didn't show up and I've argued all year about how much talent Dallas has that people have been sleeping on so I'm not surprised they played like they did.

Seriously for all his problems Doc is still top 5 territory. Outside of Spo I don't think another coach consistently gets as much effort out of his guys.

[MartinToVaught]

Doc > Rick

Too many overachieving rosters in his career to not put him over Rick even if Doc isn't the best x's and o's coach. His only issue is the two 3-1 chokes.

LOL no. Rick just got done coaching circles around Doc in the first round. Doc got bailed out by Kawhi and the Mavs' injuries that series.

If Carlisle was coaching this Clippers team right now, they'd actually look like the juggernaut they're hyped up to be. It's impossible to understate how much Doc holds this team back with his nonsensical rotations, stagnant isoball, and refusal to make timely adjustments.

For the record, it's not just the two 3-1 chokes that hurt Doc's legacy. He also has the most blown series leads in general of any coach AND the most home Game 7 losses.

Doc wasn't bailed out. It's not his fault PG flat out didn't show up and I've argued all year about how much talent Dallas has that people have been sleeping on so I'm not surprised they played like they did.

Seriously for all his problems Doc is still top 5 territory. Outside of Spo I don't think another coach consistently gets as much effort out of his guys.

Doc spent the entire series matching Trez with Boban and having Reggie Jackson "guard" Luka. He consistently plays all our worst defenders in lineups together and then blames the players for not getting stops. No, it's not his fault that PG had a bad series, but Doc also had a terrible series.

[yoyoboy]

Playoffs:

Harden + Westbrook ON:
121 MP
104.3 ORTG
97.2 DRTG
+7.1 Net

Harden ON, Westbrook OFF:
245 MP
114.6 ORTG
106.0 DRTG
+8.6 Net

Westbrook ON, Harden OFF:
64 MP
97.1 ORTG
112.9 DRTG
-15.8 Net

Harden + Westbrook OFF:
54 MP
110.8 ORTG
108.1 DRTG
+2.7 Net

Westbrook hasn't been tanking the Harden lineups when they play together, but man has Houston struggled when Russ runs the show without Harden. Not a great sign.

[RCM88x]

Playoffs:

Harden + Westbrook ON:
121 MP
104.3 ORTG
97.2 DRTG
+7.1 Net

Harden ON, Westbrook OFF:
245 MP
114.6 ORTG
106.0 DRTG
+8.6 Net

Westbrook ON, Harden OFF:
64 MP
97.1 ORTG
112.9 DRTG
-15.8 Net

Harden + Westbrook OFF:
54 MP
110.8 ORTG
108.1 DRTG
+2.7 Net

Westbrook hasn't been tanking the Harden lineups when they play together, but man has Houston struggled when Russ runs the show without Harden. Not a great sign.

Westbrook is a better outside > inside passer than he is at kick-outs. He works better with big men than he does with 5-out small ball.

Granted, I think his injury and not really getting acclimated with the team post RoCo trade have hurt him a lot. Sure he was on a hot streak when they traded for him and it continued for a bit with him, but they he missed a ton of games and really hasn't been the same player since.

[E-Balla]

Playoffs:

Harden + Westbrook ON:
121 MP
104.3 ORTG
97.2 DRTG
+7.1 Net

Harden ON, Westbrook OFF:
245 MP
114.6 ORTG
106.0 DRTG
+8.6 Net

Westbrook ON, Harden OFF:
64 MP
97.1 ORTG
112.9 DRTG
-15.8 Net

Harden + Westbrook OFF:
54 MP
110.8 ORTG
108.1 DRTG
+2.7 Net

Westbrook hasn't been tanking the Harden lineups when they play together, but man has Houston struggled when Russ runs the show without Harden. Not a great sign.

Westbrook is a better outside > inside passer than he is at kick-outs. He works better with big men than he does with 5-out small ball.

Granted, I think his injury and not really getting acclimated with the team post RoCo trade have hurt him a lot. Sure he was on a hot streak when they traded for him and it continued for a bit with him, but they he missed a ton of games and really hasn't been the same player since.

His timing on cuts is the only thing he hasn't seem to have lost and that's a skill he can only use off ball (aka when Harden is in the game). Harden and his running away from the ball/inability to work off ball is crippling them too when both are on the floor.

[MisterHibachi]

That was the best game of the season right?

[GSP]

still not worried about Raptors?

[PaulieWal]

I think Celtics take game 7 but nothing would make me happier than the Raps sending Stevens and the Celts home. Yes, Lowry flops a lot but Smart is just disgusting I feel with his flops.

[HeartBreakKid]

still not worried about Raptors?

Nope, expected it to be very competitive but the Celtics come out on top in the end. If anything double over time felt like the Celtics had them on the ropes.

[PaulieWal]

still not worried about Raptors?

Nope, expected it to be very competitive but the Celtics come out on top in the end. If anything double over time felt like the Celtics had them on the ropes.

Yeah, I think Celts win game 7. Siakim might need to be benched if the Raps want to have a chance. He's been utter and complete trash.

[Dupp]

Kemba was fouled pretty bad. Celtics were screwed but go raptors.

[TheGOATRises007]

Lowry's pretty damn good in elimination games.

[Bergmaniac]

Kemba was fouled pretty bad. Celtics were screwed but go raptors.

Yeah, this was one of the worst missed calls in a decisive moment I've seen in a while. Anunoby blatantly hit him on the arm when he was going for the layup.

[MO12msu]

This might be a hot take but if I’m Denver I try and package MPJ and Harris this summer for a star like Beal.

MPJ just seems like the type to care more about getting buckets than getting wins. Not just based off recent comments but some historical things that draft guys have said as well.

Denver has a core of guys who like each other and I wouldn’t want him to disrupt that. Also think his value will be at its highest this summer.