Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[TheNetsFan]

We make a big deal for a 2 way wing, but the truth is the simplest solution could be simple internal growth. LeVert and Prince have the physical tools to be high end defenders. They need the right coaching and desire.

Offensively, we know that we'll push the tempo. Having a second guy on the court, LeVert, that can push the ball off a rebound is big. Prince, with some 3p shot improvement, can also be a good complimentary piece.

Defensively, scheme and other players matter. Brook Lopez epitomizes that. He's gone from our fans' defensive whipping boy to defensive anchor. It's not like we have undersized or unathletic players. These guys can step up.

[MrDollarBills]

And this is exactly the point I was trying to make earlier. Centers ain't it no more. Allen won't make or beak us, as much as I like him. This is a wing heavy league now. I wish we could keep Allen instead of DJ and maybe Marks puts his big boy pants on and makes that decision himself. But there is no reason to be paying around 25M per year for 2 centers that are basically the same type of player. Not sure what happens but I kinda hope we keep Allen for this year, unless we get an offer we can't refuse.

You still need size in the east. We have to play against the Bucks, Sixers, Raptors, Heat, etc.

Again, I think people are overselling what Houston is doing with their PG/SG/SF/SF/SF line up. They were a missed Chris Paul mid range J from getting knocked out in the first round. It's not sustainable and the Lakers will show everyone why.

I'm not advocating paying centers 20+ mil, and I agree that 3 + D wings, especially for our team, are a need. But we still need shot blocking, rebounding, and the ability to make teams pay in the pick and roll.

yea but the point is we don't have to spend 25M on one position just for the size when we can get a shot blocker for the vet min like McGee, Ed Davis etc.. these type of players are always around and cheap. No need to spend 25M on size .

Heat are not a team we need size with. They have Bam who is 6'9 and Olynk playing center. We don't need a big slow 7 footer that just hangs around the rim. We need somebody that's strong, mobile and tough to check Bam, maybe Allen can be that guy. And that might be the team that makes the finals this year. Also Celtics are not a team with size. They have a 6'9 Theis playing center. Again we don't need a big slow 7 footer that stands around the rim for that. These are the 2 teams coming out the East , not a team with size like you say.

Nobody is saying have a team full of just wing players like the Rockets, or have KD play the 5 for 20 plus minutes. I'm saying wing/guard play is alot more important in this league right now and you can obviously see it with my previous statement. Only 2 teams in this bubble right now are a team with size, that's the Lakers , Raps and Nuggets. Lakers just happen to have a guy named LeBron. Nuggets have an elite center Jokic but Clips have Zubac who's getting outplayed every game but Clips are up 2-1.

I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Allen and DJ next season but as long as we get at least 2 3&D wings and a guard that defends we should be straight. Maybe we resign Allen after all and get rid of DJ.

To me Allen absolutely will come in handy in our full line up versus teams like Miami and Boston, especially Boston who I think would have problems versus a 1-5 or 4-5 pick and roll with Allen and KD/Kyrie. Allen's catch and finish game has improved a lot since he was a rookie, no more stone hands fumbling the ball. He either catches for a clean finish or he goes up and gets fouled. Defensively, Allen is a plus in any way you can quantify it and we will need his length versus guys like Adebayo, Giannis, Embiid, Simmons etc at the rim.

Jordan is the one who is over the hill and not a very good defender.

Personally, I don't want the guy on the team anymore. A leader and a veteran would have put his pride to the side and worked hard to not only help Allen to become a better pro but to play his roll to the fullest. Instead, he whines about not starting even though for 40+ games through the season he was lazy and nowhere near as good as Allen. That doesn't sit right with me.

[MrDollarBills]

We make a big deal for a 2 way wing, but the truth is the simplest solution could be simple internal growth. LeVert and Prince have the physical tools to be high end defenders. They need the right coaching and desire.

Offensively, we know that we'll push the tempo. Having a second guy on the court, LeVert, that can push the ball off a rebound is big. Prince, with some 3p shot improvement, can also be a good complimentary piece.

Defensively, scheme and other players matter. Brook Lopez epitomizes that. He's gone from our fans' defensive whipping boy to defensive anchor. It's not like we have undersized or unathletic players. These guys can step up.

Prince is pretty decent on the ball defensively. He gets lost when it comes to team defensive schemes. I'm not worried about his shooting, again, he was asked to do more than he is capable of. Next season all he has to do is catch and shoot.

LeVert is good defending the passing lane's and being disruptive, but he absolutely sucks versus the pick and roll and some one on one match ups I've seen him get cooked.

If both of them committed to the defensive end 100% maybe we could rely on them, but I still think we need an athletic defender or a veteran hard ass.

[MGrand15]

We make a big deal for a 2 way wing, but the truth is the simplest solution could be simple internal growth. LeVert and Prince have the physical tools to be high end defenders. They need the right coaching and desire.

Offensively, we know that we'll push the tempo. Having a second guy on the court, LeVert, that can push the ball off a rebound is big. Prince, with some 3p shot improvement, can also be a good complimentary piece.

Defensively, scheme and other players matter. Brook Lopez epitomizes that. He's gone from our fans' defensive whipping boy to defensive anchor. It's not like we have undersized or unathletic players. These guys can step up.

You're gonna get killed on here but I think this is important to remember. I don't think our guys lacked desire but our scheme was especially tough on perimeter defenders. If we get more aggressive on switching/trapping or even hard hedging, it might make life easier for guys like LeVert, Prince, etc.

The offense I'm just not really worried about. Everyone loves to talk about ball handlers and playmakers until a team has more than one - then everyone freaks out about having too many. If our 4 creators are Kyrie, KD, LeVert, and Dinwiddie - I can live with that. Lots of different options there whether LeVert starts or comes off the bench. I'll take that over these teams that are full of just decent spot up shooters around their stars.

[Paradise]

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[Hello Brooklyn]

Don’t focus on the Reddick part. Focus on us moving up in the draft. No chance in hell any of the NBA ready 3&D wings fall to 19.

And yea Reddick on the 2nd unit makes a ton of sense. In the NBA, it is literally impossible to have too much shooting.

IDK bro. You're putting a lot of stock in this draft pick.

I don't know if Bey can even help us this season. If we trade Allen I want more of a sure thing.

How much trade value do you think Allen has? He’s a year away from hitting RFA. Other than the Pistons and Pelicans, every team in the NBA has their C of the future already on the roster.

KAT, Ayton, Carter Jr, Bryant, Mitch Rob, Bagley, Vuc, Capela, KP, Jaren Jackson, Nurkic, Jokic, Gobert... How many teams are actually in the market for a C, and how many of those have extra 3&D wings just lying around that they’re dying to get rid of?

Allen’s trade value is almost zero. You can get 80% of what he does on the waiver wire for the minimum. If I can move up 6 spots and get Bey (and block the Celtics from getting him at 14), I would do that 10 out 10. JJ Reddick is a bonus.

Allen is young and really good. KAT, Bagley, KP, Jackson, might not even play center.

I think plenty of teams could use a rim running big.

I think youre seriously underestimating his value.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Don’t focus on the Reddick part. Focus on us moving up in the draft. No chance in hell any of the NBA ready 3&D wings fall to 19.

And yea Reddick on the 2nd unit makes a ton of sense. In the NBA, it is literally impossible to have too much shooting.

IDK bro. You're putting a lot of stock in this draft pick.

I don't know if Bey can even help us this season. If we trade Allen I want more of a sure thing.

How much trade value do you think Allen has? He’s a year away from hitting RFA. Other than the Pistons and Pelicans, every team in the NBA has their C of the future already on the roster.

KAT, Ayton, Carter Jr, Bryant, Mitch Rob, Bagley, Vuc, Capela, KP, Jaren Jackson, Nurkic, Jokic, Gobert... How many teams are actually in the market for a C, and how many of those have extra 3&D wings just lying around that they’re dying to get rid of?

Allen’s trade value is almost zero. You can get 80% of what he does on the waiver wire for the minimum. If I can move up 6 spots and get Bey (and block the Celtics from getting him at 14), I would do that 10 out 10. JJ Reddick is a bonus.

Allen is young and really good. KAT, Bagley, KP, Jackson, might not even play center.

I think plenty of teams could use a rim running big.

I think youre seriously underestimating his value.

It doesn't have to be a "3&D" wing lol. We just need a good defensive wing player.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Don’t focus on the Reddick part. Focus on us moving up in the draft. No chance in hell any of the NBA ready 3&D wings fall to 19.

And yea Reddick on the 2nd unit makes a ton of sense. In the NBA, it is literally impossible to have too much shooting.

IDK bro. You're putting a lot of stock in this draft pick.

I don't know if Bey can even help us this season. If we trade Allen I want more of a sure thing.

Ok since everyone hates Reddick ...what if we made it a 3 team deal. Reddick goes to Chicago...and we get....Thad Young!

Young gives us more depth at 3/4 and can even play small ball 5. Young shot 36% from 3 on 3.5 attempts last season. He’s an NBA vet, experienced, and is a tough gritty defender. He’s pretty much a younger PJ Tucker. 43% on corner 3’s last season.

Also Kyrie tried to recruit him to the Nets last year. Is that better?

I like Thad Young.

Thats honestly a pretty good deal. Much better!

[Hello Brooklyn]

Other have already said this, but if the playoffs have taught us anything its that traditional centers are being phased out of the game.

Bringing Jordan here in the first place was a foolish move by KD/Kyrie. We honestly had no use for him with Allen here. And he likely won't be playing much in the playoffs anyway.

But whats done is done.

I'm looking forward to innovative lineups by Nash like 3 guard lineups, KD at the 5 maybe.

We just need to add a few more defensive pieces and I think we will be good. I think this draft could really help.

I don't know. The Rockets' small ball plan is blowing up in their face because Lebron and AD are bullying them and they got whipped on the glass by +13. I don't think this is a one size fits all situation in the NBA. You need to be able to counter what your opponent throws at you.

Everyone whined about how we got killed by Embiid in the playoffs the year before. What will we do next season play KD at the 5 for 34 mins against Embiid? Are we going to put a two way wing on Bam Adebayo? I still think size plays a role in the league, however I definitely think the game is moving towards skilled big men, i agree there. Guys will need to be able to do more offensively than just roll to the rim. In the meantime though we will need to work with what we have.

Give me Kyrie, a two way wing, Joe Harris, KD, and Allen and I think that will be a solid starting unit that will be hard to stop.

Not really. The Lakers are basically forced to play AD at the 5. Its basically a small ball lineup, since AD is not really a Center.

Rockets are the extreme example. But Clippers/Boston/Lakers are not really focused on playing traditional center. And close with small ball lineups.

Didn't you see what Boston did with Embiid this year? They guarded him with Theis. It wasn't a big deal.

I think KD at the 5 would run Embiid off the floor defensively. He would have no shot at guarding him at all.

[DarkXaero]

Don’t focus on the Reddick part. Focus on us moving up in the draft. No chance in hell any of the NBA ready 3&D wings fall to 19.

And yea Reddick on the 2nd unit makes a ton of sense. In the NBA, it is literally impossible to have too much shooting.

IDK bro. You're putting a lot of stock in this draft pick.

I don't know if Bey can even help us this season. If we trade Allen I want more of a sure thing.

How much trade value do you think Allen has? He’s a year away from hitting RFA. Other than the Pistons and Pelicans, every team in the NBA has their C of the future already on the roster.

KAT, Ayton, Carter Jr, Bryant, Mitch Rob, Bagley, Vuc, Capela, KP, Jaren Jackson, Nurkic, Jokic, Gobert... How many teams are actually in the market for a C, and how many of those have extra 3&D wings just lying around that they’re dying to get rid of?

Allen’s trade value is almost zero. You can get 80% of what he does on the waiver wire for the minimum. If I can move up 6 spots and get Bey (and block the Celtics from getting him at 14), I would do that 10 out 10. JJ Reddick is a bonus.

Out of all the ridiculous **** said in this thread, this probably tops it all...**** nonsense

[Hello Brooklyn]

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If Giannis demands a trade to the Nets do we have anything that would make sense for Milwaukee?

I feel like the answer is clearly no lol. The Ws offer is so much better!

Would have to be something like:

Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie, 3 protected first rounders?

[MrDollarBills]

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[ProspectPark]

Final thoughts on the Pelicans trade. If we did acquire Reddick, that gives us another $13 million contract to play with. We could:

-make it a 3 team deal where we get Thad Young (super smart defensive 6’8 235 pound wing/small ball 5)

-keep Reddick until the trade deadline and see what’s available (Ibaka, Milsap, Josh Richardson)

-package him with Prince and acquire a $27 million dollar rental player (Jrue Holiday) at the trade deadline WITHOUT having to give up LeVert


I think at the end of the day we need to ask ourselves, is Jarrett Allen ready? Most championship teams have C’s that have a decade worth of NBA experience (Marc Gasol, Duncan, Bogut/Draymond, Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, KG, Shaq, Big Ben, D Rob). These guys are high IQ defensive floor generals. Just be honest and ask yourself, at this stage in Allen’s career, is he ready?

[MrDollarBills]

Other have already said this, but if the playoffs have taught us anything its that traditional centers are being phased out of the game.

Bringing Jordan here in the first place was a foolish move by KD/Kyrie. We honestly had no use for him with Allen here. And he likely won't be playing much in the playoffs anyway.

But whats done is done.

I'm looking forward to innovative lineups by Nash like 3 guard lineups, KD at the 5 maybe.

We just need to add a few more defensive pieces and I think we will be good. I think this draft could really help.

I don't know. The Rockets' small ball plan is blowing up in their face because Lebron and AD are bullying them and they got whipped on the glass by +13. I don't think this is a one size fits all situation in the NBA. You need to be able to counter what your opponent throws at you.

Everyone whined about how we got killed by Embiid in the playoffs the year before. What will we do next season play KD at the 5 for 34 mins against Embiid? Are we going to put a two way wing on Bam Adebayo? I still think size plays a role in the league, however I definitely think the game is moving towards skilled big men, i agree there. Guys will need to be able to do more offensively than just roll to the rim. In the meantime though we will need to work with what we have.

Give me Kyrie, a two way wing, Joe Harris, KD, and Allen and I think that will be a solid starting unit that will be hard to stop.

Not really. The Lakers are basically forced to play AD at the 5. Its basically a small ball lineup, since AD is not really a Center.

Rockets are the extreme example. But Clippers/Boston/Lakers are not really focused on playing traditional center. And close with small ball lineups.

Didn't you see what Boston did with Embiid this year? They guarded him with Theis. It wasn't a big deal.

I think KD at the 5 would run Embiid off the floor defensively. He would have no shot at guarding him at all.

You're really going to put KD on Embiid for 4 quarters?

I mean every good team closes with small ball line ups nowadays, I see us being no different. But for 48 minutes?

Zubac and McGee (who has been awful) are traditional centers. You'll probably see more of them in the conference finals as is.

I didn't realize that Theis is 6'8. But I recall the last times we played Boston prebubble, our size was causing them issues.

I wouldn't read the last rites for 6'11-7 foot centers just yet.

[MrDollarBills]

Final thoughts on the Pelicans trade. If we did acquire Reddick, that gives us another $13 million contract to play with. We could:

-make it a 3 team deal where we get Thad Young (super smart defensive 6’8 235 pound wing/small ball 5)

-keep Reddick until the trade deadline and see what’s available (Ibaka, Milsap, Josh Richardson)

-package him with Prince and acquire a $27 million dollar rental player (Jrue Holiday) at the trade deadline WITHOUT having to give up LeVert


I think at the end of the day we need to ask ourselves, is Jarrett Allen ready? Most championship teams have C’s that have a decade worth of NBA experience (Marc Gasol, Duncan, Bogut/Draymond, Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, KG, Shaq, Big Ben, D Rob). These guys are high IQ defensive floor generals. Just be honest and ask yourself, at this stage in Allen’s career, is he ready?

Is DeAndre Jordan ready?

The Warriors won a championship with JaVale McGee and Kevin Looney at C. Were they high IQ Floor generals, or did they do their jobs well enough while the stars on the team led the way? That's a faulty argument. Is Tristan Thompson a high IQ floor general????

Acquiring JJ Reddick makes no sense if we are going to resign Joe Harris. You're complaining about plunking cash into two centers and yet you're fine doing that with Harris and Reddick????

[MrDollarBills]

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If Giannis demands a trade to the Nets do we have anything that would make sense for Milwaukee?

I feel like the answer is clearly no lol. The Ws offer is so much better!

Would have to be something like:

Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie, 3 protected first rounders?

Give them everything that isn't nailed to the floor. KD/Kyrie/Giannis? That's unstoppable.

[ProspectPark]

Final thoughts on the Pelicans trade. If we did acquire Reddick, that gives us another $13 million contract to play with. We could:

-make it a 3 team deal where we get Thad Young (super smart defensive 6’8 235 pound wing/small ball 5)

-keep Reddick until the trade deadline and see what’s available (Ibaka, Milsap, Josh Richardson)

-package him with Prince and acquire a $27 million dollar rental player (Jrue Holiday) at the trade deadline WITHOUT having to give up LeVert


I think at the end of the day we need to ask ourselves, is Jarrett Allen ready? Most championship teams have C’s that have a decade worth of NBA experience (Marc Gasol, Duncan, Bogut/Draymond, Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, KG, Shaq, Big Ben, D Rob). These guys are high IQ defensive floor generals. Just be honest and ask yourself, at this stage in Allen’s career, is he ready?

Is DeAndre Jordan ready?

The Warriors won a championship with JaVale McGee and Kevin Looney at C. Were they high IQ Floor generals, or did they do their jobs well enough while the stars on the team led the way? That's a faulty argument. Is Tristan Thompson a high IQ floor general????

Acquiring JJ Reddick makes no sense if we are going to resign Joe Harris. You're complaining about plunking cash into two centers and yet you're fine doing that with Harris and Reddick????

McGee played 5 minutes per game in the Finals. In every other series for the Warriors, he barely cracked 10 minutes. KD and Draymond split time at the 5.

Cavs needed a ton of luck, and in crunch time they were playing NBA VET Channing Frye over TT.

Is there a rule you can only have one 3 point specialist on your team at a time? Wouldn’t JJ on the 2nd unit give Caris LeVert a ton of space? I honestly don’t get this argument. The Heat had Ray Allen, Mike Miller, Shane Battier, and Rashard Lewis. On what planet is having too many high IQ snipers a bad thing?

[Hello Brooklyn]

I don't know. The Rockets' small ball plan is blowing up in their face because Lebron and AD are bullying them and they got whipped on the glass by +13. I don't think this is a one size fits all situation in the NBA. You need to be able to counter what your opponent throws at you.

Everyone whined about how we got killed by Embiid in the playoffs the year before. What will we do next season play KD at the 5 for 34 mins against Embiid? Are we going to put a two way wing on Bam Adebayo? I still think size plays a role in the league, however I definitely think the game is moving towards skilled big men, i agree there. Guys will need to be able to do more offensively than just roll to the rim. In the meantime though we will need to work with what we have.

Give me Kyrie, a two way wing, Joe Harris, KD, and Allen and I think that will be a solid starting unit that will be hard to stop.

Not really. The Lakers are basically forced to play AD at the 5. Its basically a small ball lineup, since AD is not really a Center.

Rockets are the extreme example. But Clippers/Boston/Lakers are not really focused on playing traditional center. And close with small ball lineups.

Didn't you see what Boston did with Embiid this year? They guarded him with Theis. It wasn't a big deal.

I think KD at the 5 would run Embiid off the floor defensively. He would have no shot at guarding him at all.

You're really going to put KD on Embiid for 4 quarters?

I mean every good team closes with small ball line ups nowadays, I see us being no different. But for 48 minutes?

Zubac and McGee (who has been awful) are traditional centers. You'll probably see more of them in the conference finals as is.

I didn't realize that Theis is 6'8. But I recall the last times we played Boston prebubble, our size was causing them issues.

I wouldn't read the last rites for 6'11-7 foot centers just yet.

No of course not for 4 quarters.

I'm not advocating for having no Center. We still have Jordan on the roster.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Final thoughts on the Pelicans trade. If we did acquire Reddick, that gives us another $13 million contract to play with. We could:

-make it a 3 team deal where we get Thad Young (super smart defensive 6’8 235 pound wing/small ball 5)

-keep Reddick until the trade deadline and see what’s available (Ibaka, Milsap, Josh Richardson)

-package him with Prince and acquire a $27 million dollar rental player (Jrue Holiday) at the trade deadline WITHOUT having to give up LeVert


I think at the end of the day we need to ask ourselves, is Jarrett Allen ready? Most championship teams have C’s that have a decade worth of NBA experience (Marc Gasol, Duncan, Bogut/Draymond, Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, KG, Shaq, Big Ben, D Rob). These guys are high IQ defensive floor generals. Just be honest and ask yourself, at this stage in Allen’s career, is he ready?

Is DeAndre Jordan ready?

The Warriors won a championship with JaVale McGee and Kevin Looney at C. Were they high IQ Floor generals, or did they do their jobs well enough while the stars on the team led the way? That's a faulty argument. Is Tristan Thompson a high IQ floor general????

Acquiring JJ Reddick makes no sense if we are going to resign Joe Harris. You're complaining about plunking cash into two centers and yet you're fine doing that with Harris and Reddick????

I agree. Harris & Reddick don't make any sense together.

Thad Young I would love on this team. Reddick not so much.

[ecuhus1981]

My brain can't even compute how awesome it would be to unite Giannis, KD and KI on one NBA team. 74 wins would be a legit possibility.