Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[Paradise]

Nash just confirmed style of play is “TBD” due to roster and staff overhaul.

[DarkXaero]

Giannis is never getting traded and nor should he. Bucks will hold on to him until the dear end, and make a desperate attempt to win the championship next year.

[ProspectPark]

Final thoughts on the Pelicans trade. If we did acquire Reddick, that gives us another $13 million contract to play with. We could:

-make it a 3 team deal where we get Thad Young (super smart defensive 6’8 235 pound wing/small ball 5)

-keep Reddick until the trade deadline and see what’s available (Ibaka, Milsap, Josh Richardson)

-package him with Prince and acquire a $27 million dollar rental player (Jrue Holiday) at the trade deadline WITHOUT having to give up LeVert


I think at the end of the day we need to ask ourselves, is Jarrett Allen ready? Most championship teams have C’s that have a decade worth of NBA experience (Marc Gasol, Duncan, Bogut/Draymond, Bosh, Tyson Chandler, Pau Gasol, KG, Shaq, Big Ben, D Rob). These guys are high IQ defensive floor generals. Just be honest and ask yourself, at this stage in Allen’s career, is he ready?

Is DeAndre Jordan ready?

The Warriors won a championship with JaVale McGee and Kevin Looney at C. Were they high IQ Floor generals, or did they do their jobs well enough while the stars on the team led the way? That's a faulty argument. Is Tristan Thompson a high IQ floor general????

Acquiring JJ Reddick makes no sense if we are going to resign Joe Harris. You're complaining about plunking cash into two centers and yet you're fine doing that with Harris and Reddick????

I agree. Harris & Reddick don't make any sense together.

Thad Young I would love on this team. Reddick not so much.

Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / Reddick / TLC / Prince / (vet minimum C)

Plus we would have the 13th pick, the MLE, and Claxton. Why is this so bad?

[Papi_swav]

You still need size in the east. We have to play against the Bucks, Sixers, Raptors, Heat, etc.

Again, I think people are overselling what Houston is doing with their PG/SG/SF/SF/SF line up. They were a missed Chris Paul mid range J from getting knocked out in the first round. It's not sustainable and the Lakers will show everyone why.

I'm not advocating paying centers 20+ mil, and I agree that 3 + D wings, especially for our team, are a need. But we still need shot blocking, rebounding, and the ability to make teams pay in the pick and roll.

yea but the point is we don't have to spend 25M on one position just for the size when we can get a shot blocker for the vet min like McGee, Ed Davis etc.. these type of players are always around and cheap. No need to spend 25M on size .

Heat are not a team we need size with. They have Bam who is 6'9 and Olynk playing center. We don't need a big slow 7 footer that just hangs around the rim. We need somebody that's strong, mobile and tough to check Bam, maybe Allen can be that guy. And that might be the team that makes the finals this year. Also Celtics are not a team with size. They have a 6'9 Theis playing center. Again we don't need a big slow 7 footer that stands around the rim for that. These are the 2 teams coming out the East , not a team with size like you say.

Nobody is saying have a team full of just wing players like the Rockets, or have KD play the 5 for 20 plus minutes. I'm saying wing/guard play is alot more important in this league right now and you can obviously see it with my previous statement. Only 2 teams in this bubble right now are a team with size, that's the Lakers , Raps and Nuggets. Lakers just happen to have a guy named LeBron. Nuggets have an elite center Jokic but Clips have Zubac who's getting outplayed every game but Clips are up 2-1.

I wouldn't be opposed to keeping Allen and DJ next season but as long as we get at least 2 3&D wings and a guard that defends we should be straight. Maybe we resign Allen after all and get rid of DJ.

To me Allen absolutely will come in handy in our full line up versus teams like Miami and Boston, especially Boston who I think would have problems versus a 1-5 or 4-5 pick and roll with Allen and KD/Kyrie. Allen's catch and finish game has improved a lot since he was a rookie, no more stone hands fumbling the ball. He either catches for a clean finish or he goes up and gets fouled. Defensively, Allen is a plus in any way you can quantify it and we will need his length versus guys like Adebayo, Giannis, Embiid, Simmons etc at the rim.

Jordan is the one who is over the hill and not a very good defender.

Personally, I don't want the guy on the team anymore. A leader and a veteran would have put his pride to the side and worked hard to not only help Allen to become a better pro but to play his roll to the fullest. Instead, he whines about not starting even though for 40+ games through the season he was lazy and nowhere near as good as Allen. That doesn't sit right with me.

You absolutely right about that. I definitely want Allen over DJ and I hope Marks don't give in to what KD/Kyrie always wants. DJ is only getting older and will probably be unplayable in his last year of contract. Allen is a lot more mobile and can defend quicker guys better than DJ at this point. But I dont mind keeping them both for this season as long as we get our defenders we should be straight. Having Allen who is good in pick and roll and guard quicker guys is alot more valuable than what DJ brings. Dj would be good to guard the slower bigger guys like Embiid, Lopez etc..

[Papi_swav]

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If Giannis demands a trade to the Nets do we have anything that would make sense for Milwaukee?

I feel like the answer is clearly no lol. The Ws offer is so much better!

Would have to be something like:

Levert, Allen, Dinwiddie, 3 protected first rounders?

Give them everything that isn't nailed to the floor. KD/Kyrie/Giannis? That's unstoppable.

Yea Giannis might have to play center in this lineup. KD/Giannis at the 4 and 5 WOW . That would be in the running for one of th beest duos ever, along with Kyrie dancing on guys, make it best trios. Superteam.

[3pt_chucker]

Silver would definitely veto any Giannis to Nets trade. It would Warriors level of unfair(assuming health)

[Hello Brooklyn]

Is DeAndre Jordan ready?

The Warriors won a championship with JaVale McGee and Kevin Looney at C. Were they high IQ Floor generals, or did they do their jobs well enough while the stars on the team led the way? That's a faulty argument. Is Tristan Thompson a high IQ floor general????

Acquiring JJ Reddick makes no sense if we are going to resign Joe Harris. You're complaining about plunking cash into two centers and yet you're fine doing that with Harris and Reddick????

I agree. Harris & Reddick don't make any sense together.

Thad Young I would love on this team. Reddick not so much.

Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / Reddick / TLC / Prince / (vet minimum C)

Plus we would have the 13th pick, the MLE, and Claxton. Why is this so bad?

Doesn't address our biggest need. Defense.

I'm not banking on the rookie to be our best defender.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Silver would definitely veto any Giannis to Nets trade. It would Warriors level of unfair(assuming health)

Silver would love for the next dynasty to be in New York.

It would be HUGE for the NBA.

[jayu70]

I have a couple trade ideas that I want to share. Not necessarily moves that I fully endorse but I think a direction that can work for us.




Follow up trade:



Rotation:

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Chiozza
White/Tyler Johnson/Temple
KD/Harris/Crawford
Oubre/Kurucs/TLC
DJ/Dedmon/Claxton

+ #10 pick + tax payer MLE still available


I think the most contentious part of the trade is Suns throwing in the #10 pick, but my reasoning is that Levert has higher value than Oubre Jr currently, and Levert has 3 years left on his deal while Oubre Jr is an expiring. If needed, Kurucs and/or the 2nd round pick from Spurs can be throw in as sweetener. It is a really weak draft class, and I think for this draft, teams are more willing than ever to part with lotto picks. Oubre Jr gives us a 6'8" tweener forward option with 3pt shooting, and capable of solid defense (not consistent though).

The Allen for Derrick White trade is more than fair value for Spurs, and if anything, a better deal for Spurs imo, with Allen being 4 years younger, and the same caliber player. Their contract situations are identical too, with White also in his last year of rookie deal. White fits perfectly next to Kyrie as a low usage, efficient 3&D guard. The Hawks trade is a more simple one as I think they get a better/much younger fit in Prince, and Capela should be their starting C anyway (with Collins splitting time at 4 and 5). For us, Dedmon replaces Allen as a backup C here, and could potentially give us a stretch 5 option ("potentially" because he was awful this year). Anyway, just an idea, don't kill me.

Hawks fan here. Hawks didn't want to pay Prince that's why he was traded. Dedmon is our backup, his ability to stretch the floor offers the Hawks a variation at Center that Capela doesn't. Dedmon was also brought back because as the GM and Coach said 'his voice was missed in the locker room of young players". Additionally, the last year of Dedmon's contract is only guaranteed for $1 million. So taking on Prince for an extra year for a 2nd is not worth it.

[jayu70]

Hawks have some interesting young pieces or could be part of a larger 3 team deal. I don't have an Athletic subscription, so not sure what type of deals were discussed.

Nets in:
Teague, Bembry, Dedmond

Hawks in:
Dinwiddie

would love bembry. he is a dog

Teague & Bembry are FAs. I wouldn't want to be hard capped by a S&T. Dedmond is a pricey addition at C that would only make sense if Allen is moved in a different deal.

Would Marks have any interest in Reddish or Huerter? I doubt Collins would be offered unless Atlanta doesn't plan on paying him. Would Atlanta deal #6 for Dinwiddie or #6 for Dinwiddie & #19? That large trade exception and pick could be extremely valuable asset in another trade or a 3 team trade for a guy like Beal.

Huerter, Reddish and Collins are not on the table for Dinwiddie.
Dinwiddie's player option is problematic for the #6 pick. I don't think the Hawks will trade #6 for a player that is essentially a 1 year deal.

[DarkXaero]

I have a couple trade ideas that I want to share. Not necessarily moves that I fully endorse but I think a direction that can work for us.




Follow up trade:



Rotation:

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Chiozza
White/Tyler Johnson/Temple
KD/Harris/Crawford
Oubre/Kurucs/TLC
DJ/Dedmon/Claxton

+ #10 pick + tax payer MLE still available


I think the most contentious part of the trade is Suns throwing in the #10 pick, but my reasoning is that Levert has higher value than Oubre Jr currently, and Levert has 3 years left on his deal while Oubre Jr is an expiring. If needed, Kurucs and/or the 2nd round pick from Spurs can be throw in as sweetener. It is a really weak draft class, and I think for this draft, teams are more willing than ever to part with lotto picks. Oubre Jr gives us a 6'8" tweener forward option with 3pt shooting, and capable of solid defense (not consistent though).

The Allen for Derrick White trade is more than fair value for Spurs, and if anything, a better deal for Spurs imo, with Allen being 4 years younger, and the same caliber player. Their contract situations are identical too, with White also in his last year of rookie deal. White fits perfectly next to Kyrie as a low usage, efficient 3&D guard. The Hawks trade is a more simple one as I think they get a better/much younger fit in Prince, and Capela should be their starting C anyway (with Collins splitting time at 4 and 5). For us, Dedmon replaces Allen as a backup C here, and could potentially give us a stretch 5 option ("potentially" because he was awful this year). Anyway, just an idea, don't kill me.

Hawks fan here. Hawks didn't want to pay Prince that's why he was traded. Dedmon is our backup, his ability to stretch the floor offers the Hawks a variation at Center that Capela doesn't. Dedmon was also brought back because as the GM and Coach said 'his voice was missed in the locker room of young players". Additionally, the last year of Dedmon's contract is only guaranteed for $1 million. So taking on Prince for an extra year for a 2nd is not worth it.

I know Hawks were afraid of paying Prince, but Prince was offered a short deal (2 years) by the Nets. I don't think that two year deal would be an issue for Hawks management. The other thing is that even though Prince was awful this year, he was still easily better than Dedmon, who was even worse. Dedmon shot 20% from 3 this year, and his efficiency was absolutely dreadful for a big man. Add in the fact that Prince is 5 years younger than Dedmon, and it's a way better deal for the Hawks than it is for the Nets. I'm not even sure that I would do it from the Nets standpoint, but I suggested it because I saw it as a convenient option to get a backup C.

[jayu70]

I have a couple trade ideas that I want to share. Not necessarily moves that I fully endorse but I think a direction that can work for us.




Follow up trade:



Rotation:

Kyrie/Dinwiddie/Chiozza
White/Tyler Johnson/Temple
KD/Harris/Crawford
Oubre/Kurucs/TLC
DJ/Dedmon/Claxton

+ #10 pick + tax payer MLE still available


I think the most contentious part of the trade is Suns throwing in the #10 pick, but my reasoning is that Levert has higher value than Oubre Jr currently, and Levert has 3 years left on his deal while Oubre Jr is an expiring. If needed, Kurucs and/or the 2nd round pick from Spurs can be throw in as sweetener. It is a really weak draft class, and I think for this draft, teams are more willing than ever to part with lotto picks. Oubre Jr gives us a 6'8" tweener forward option with 3pt shooting, and capable of solid defense (not consistent though).

The Allen for Derrick White trade is more than fair value for Spurs, and if anything, a better deal for Spurs imo, with Allen being 4 years younger, and the same caliber player. Their contract situations are identical too, with White also in his last year of rookie deal. White fits perfectly next to Kyrie as a low usage, efficient 3&D guard. The Hawks trade is a more simple one as I think they get a better/much younger fit in Prince, and Capela should be their starting C anyway (with Collins splitting time at 4 and 5). For us, Dedmon replaces Allen as a backup C here, and could potentially give us a stretch 5 option ("potentially" because he was awful this year). Anyway, just an idea, don't kill me.

Hawks fan here. Hawks didn't want to pay Prince that's why he was traded. Dedmon is our backup, his ability to stretch the floor offers the Hawks a variation at Center that Capela doesn't. Dedmon was also brought back because as the GM and Coach said 'his voice was missed in the locker room of young players". Additionally, the last year of Dedmon's contract is only guaranteed for $1 million. So taking on Prince for an extra year for a 2nd is not worth it.

I know Hawks were afraid of paying Prince, but Prince was offered a short deal (2 years) by the Nets. I don't think that two year deal would be an issue for Hawks management. The other thing is that even though Prince was awful this year, he was still easily better than Dedmon, who was even worse. Dedmon shot 20% from 3 this year, and his efficiency was absolutely dreadful for a big man. Add in the fact that Prince is 5 years younger than Dedmon, and it's a way better deal for the Hawks than it is for the Nets. I'm not even sure that I would do it from the Nets standpoint, but I suggested it because I saw it as a convenient option to get a backup C.

He was looking for a longer deal with the Hawks, they jumped at the Nets deal because of the trade. The length of the deal matters in terms of Hawks having an extra $12.5 million in capspace next offseason (be releasing Demon for $1 mil) when Collins (if not extented this offseason) and Trae (early extension) are due to be paid.
It was not just paying not paying Prince, he struggled to adapt to Pierce's system especially defensively and they didn't see him as part of the young core going forward.
Granted Dedmon struggled in whatever the Kings were attempting to run. An elbow injury to his shooting hand also didn't help.
Our Center rotation to start the season was Len, Jones and rookie Bruno. Hawks need a capable backup for Capela. That's Dedmon and like I said it's more that just what he brings to the court, his value also extends to the locker room. We know what we have in Dedmon, so I'd prefer to keep him and sign another wing in FAcy for less.
If Nets are just trying to reduce salary: Hawks offer to take Prince and #19 into our capsapce.

[ProspectPark]

I agree. Harris & Reddick don't make any sense together.

Thad Young I would love on this team. Reddick not so much.

Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / Reddick / TLC / Prince / Claxton

Plus we would have the 13th pick, the MLE, and Claxton. Why is this so bad?

Doesn't address our biggest need. Defense.

I'm not banking on the rookie to be our best defender.

Ok so we agree on two trades. Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson and Allen for Thad Young. That gives us:

Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / DJ
LeVert / TLC / Prince / Thad Young / Claxton

Death lineup - Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / Thad Young

Plus we would have the 13th pick, Philly’s 21st pick, and the MLE. I like this lineup.

[brook]

Is DeAndre Jordan ready?

The Warriors won a championship with JaVale McGee and Kevin Looney at C. Were they high IQ Floor generals, or did they do their jobs well enough while the stars on the team led the way? That's a faulty argument. Is Tristan Thompson a high IQ floor general????

Acquiring JJ Reddick makes no sense if we are going to resign Joe Harris. You're complaining about plunking cash into two centers and yet you're fine doing that with Harris and Reddick????

I agree. Harris & Reddick don't make any sense together.

Thad Young I would love on this team. Reddick not so much.

Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / Reddick / TLC / Prince / (vet minimum C)

Plus we would have the 13th pick, the MLE, and Claxton. Why is this so bad?

Are you Redick's agent?

Like others already said, we don't need him because Harris right now is better. Also, we talk about the need to have a player who is a dog on D, and you want Redick?
With Harris, Dinwiddie, Temple, Prince, TLC and probably TJ back we have shooters. I agree that shooters are never enough, but we don't need Redick and his no defense that bad.

[Hello Brooklyn]

Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / Reddick / TLC / Prince / Claxton

Plus we would have the 13th pick, the MLE, and Claxton. Why is this so bad?

Doesn't address our biggest need. Defense.

I'm not banking on the rookie to be our best defender.

Ok so we agree on two trades. Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson and Allen for Thad Young. That gives us:

Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / DJ
LeVert / TLC / Prince / Thad Young / Claxton

Death lineup - Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / Thad Young

Plus we would have the 13th pick, Philly’s 21st pick, and the MLE. I like this lineup.

I think this would be an awesome lineup and would give us great balance.

[ProspectPark]

I agree. Harris & Reddick don't make any sense together.

Thad Young I would love on this team. Reddick not so much.

Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / Reddick / TLC / Prince / (vet minimum C)

Plus we would have the 13th pick, the MLE, and Claxton. Why is this so bad?

Are you Redick's agent?

Like others already said, we don't need him because Harris right now is better. Also, we talk about the need to have a player who is a dog on D, and you want Redick?
With Harris, Dinwiddie, Temple, Prince, TLC and probably TJ back we have shooters. I agree that shooters are never enough, but we don't need Redick and his no defense that bad.

Everyone wants a defensive player. Unfortunately we don’t have the assets or cap space to get a good one. I don’t think you realize how valued these 2-way wings are in today’s NBA.

The trade with the Pelicans isn’t for Reddick. It’s primarily so we can move up in the draft. Reddick is just a filler. We would flip Allen, Temple, and Rodi (3 players who are most likely not part of our long term plans) to move up 6 spots in the draft AND to acquire a $13 million expiring contract that we can use at the trade deadline next season. Getting Saddiq Bey or Aaron Nesmith, or Patrick Williams (or whoever Marks likes) for the next 4 years on a rookie scale contract is really important for us.

Nobody wakes up and says let’s trade Allen for Reddick. Just looking at the long term outlook of the team. If Allen leaves in free agency, I would rather trade him now. The next step is finding what teams might be interested in him. Pelicans are one of the few teams who could use a C. So now we look at the Pelicans roster and try to find something that gives us something valuable in return. That ended up being Reddick.

Moving up in the draft is the key though. It would hurt to lose Allen today, but two years from now, when the guy we draft with the Pelican’s 13th pick is thriving and adding an element to this team that we don’t have right now, it will be worth it.

[DarkXaero]

Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / Reddick / TLC / Prince / Claxton

Plus we would have the 13th pick, the MLE, and Claxton. Why is this so bad?

Doesn't address our biggest need. Defense.

I'm not banking on the rookie to be our best defender.

Ok so we agree on two trades. Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson and Allen for Thad Young. That gives us:

Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / DJ
LeVert / TLC / Prince / Thad Young / Claxton

Death lineup - Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / Thad Young

Plus we would have the 13th pick, Philly’s 21st pick, and the MLE. I like this lineup.

Jarrett Allen for...Thad Young? Billy King, is that you?

[DarkXaero]

Silver would definitely veto any Giannis to Nets trade. It would Warriors level of unfair(assuming health)

Silver doesn't have the power to veto that trade. The CP3 trade was veto'd because the team was looking for a new owner, and the NBA was the team's owner then. It's also a trade that has a 0.00% chance of actually happening. I find it hilarious and ironic that the guys who blast others for talking about Beal to Nets, are the ones entertaining Giannis to Nets discussion.

[ProspectPark]

Doesn't address our biggest need. Defense.

I'm not banking on the rookie to be our best defender.

Ok so we agree on two trades. Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson and Allen for Thad Young. That gives us:

Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / DJ
LeVert / TLC / Prince / Thad Young / Claxton

Death lineup - Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / Thad Young

Plus we would have the 13th pick, Philly’s 21st pick, and the MLE. I like this lineup.

Jarrett Allen for...Thad Young? Billy King, is that you?

No it’s Allen, Temple, Rodi, and our 19th to the Pelicans for JJ Reddick and their 13th pick. JJ then gets sent to Chicago for Thad Young.

Just to save time I put Allen for Young. The 13th pick gives Marks 1 pick ahead of Danny Ainge. Marks is good at finding gems in the draft and we are amazing at developing players. That 13th pick under Nash and KD’s guidance could easily evolve into the 3nD wing we desperately need. Allen is amazing but we are stuck with DJ. Thad Young also gives us the small ball 5 we desperately need.

[Claud]

Claxton is our Giannis with a 3pt shot you guys

In all seriousness, I'd trade everything bar KD/Kyrie to acquire the Greek freak.