Peak Scottie Pippen VS Jimmy Butler

GSP · Post #1 » by **GSP** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 9:16 pm

whos the better player?

therealbig3 · Post #2 » by **therealbig3** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 10:05 pm

I think Pippen would still be the best defensive wing in the league today, so I take his defensive ability over Butler's, just based on size.

I think Butler is a bit better offensively though, mainly because of his shooting ability. Pippen was a pretty mediocre shooter. I know Butler really struggled with his 3pt shot this year, but that's picked up again in the playoffs and it's drastically different from what he did the previous 3 years. He's a much better FT shooter, which also correlates pretty well with how good of an overall shooter a player is.

Pippen though does close the gap a little because I think he's more capable of being a lead ball handler and is a better passer.

Overall, I'll still take Pippen. Close enough offensively that I think his superior defense gives him the edge.

prolific passer · Post #3 » by **prolific passer** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 10:10 pm

Pippen was more complete. 21 7 7 in 92 with great defense. 94 he had a case for mvp. 95 led the team in everything. Butler's best probably doesnt match those 3 seasons.

GSP · Post #4 » by **GSP** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 10:37 pm

prolific passer wrote:Pippen was more complete. 21 7 7 in 92 with great defense. 94 he had a case for mvp. 95 led the team in everything. Butler's best probably doesnt match those 3 seasons.

94 he didnt have any case for Mvp

and against the Knicks in 94 he was getting outplayed by Bj Armstrong and Horace Grant

Philly after they gave Jimmy the ball to run pick and roll went 3-3 with an alltime Raptors defense

Scottie could never carry a teams offense in the playoffs like Jimmy and Jimmy is still a premier perimeter defender himself

prolific passer · Post #5 » by **prolific passer** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:01 pm

GSP wrote:
prolific passer wrote:Pippen was more complete. 21 7 7 in 92 with great defense. 94 he had a case for mvp. 95 led the team in everything. Butler's best probably doesnt match those 3 seasons.

94 he didnt have any case for Mvp

and against the Knicks in 94 he was getting outplayed by Bj Armstrong and Horace Grant

Philly after they gave Jimmy the ball to run pick and roll went 3-3 with an alltime Raptors defense

Scottie could never carry a teams offense in the playoffs like Jimmy and Jimmy is still a premier perimeter defender himself

So you want us to say Jimmy Butler?

No-more-rings · Post #6 » by **No-more-rings** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:23 pm

Butler since becoming a 20+ ppg scorer hasn’t really been an elite defender though he’s been pretty good nonetheless. Agree with realbig3 that the offensive gap isn’t enough when being compared to probably the goat wing defender.

GSP · Post #7 » by **GSP** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:27 pm

prolific passer wrote:
GSP wrote:
prolific passer wrote:Pippen was more complete. 21 7 7 in 92 with great defense. 94 he had a case for mvp. 95 led the team in everything. Butler's best probably doesnt match those 3 seasons.

94 he didnt have any case for Mvp

and against the Knicks in 94 he was getting outplayed by Bj Armstrong and Horace Grant

Philly after they gave Jimmy the ball to run pick and roll went 3-3 with an alltime Raptors defense

Scottie could never carry a teams offense in the playoffs like Jimmy and Jimmy is still a premier perimeter defender himself

So you want us to say Jimmy Butler?

Not sure how u can say Scottie was more complete when Jimmy has a clear edge on offense in most categories

prolific passer · Post #8 » by **prolific passer** » Sat Sep 5, 2020 11:29 pm

GSP wrote:
prolific passer wrote:
GSP wrote:
94 he didnt have any case for Mvp

and against the Knicks in 94 he was getting outplayed by Bj Armstrong and Horace Grant

Philly after they gave Jimmy the ball to run pick and roll went 3-3 with an alltime Raptors defense

Scottie could never carry a teams offense in the playoffs like Jimmy and Jimmy is still a premier perimeter defender himself

So you want us to say Jimmy Butler?

Not sure how u can say Scottie was more complete when Jimmy has a clear edge on offense in most categories

The scoring is pretty close but in terms of rebounding and passing. Pippen has a huge edge.

Odinn21 · Post #9 » by **Odinn21** » Sun Sep 6, 2020 3:32 am

I mean, I get the aura around Butler. He knows how to command and redirect the flow of his team. He's a better player than his box numbers. But so did Pippen and so was Pippen.

Scottie was nearing his 35 in 2000 playoffs and he was making a pretty similar impact to Butler in 2020 playoffs.

Surely, the Heat dominating the Bucks is a huge news. But the bubble is basically another season now and the Bucks are yet to find their rhythm back and this is just a 2nd round matchup. Not NBA Finals. I don't see how what Butler's doing is better than what Pippen did in '92, '94 and '96.

ardee · Post #10 » by **ardee** » Sun Sep 6, 2020 8:59 am

prolific passer wrote:
GSP wrote:
prolific passer wrote:So you want us to say Jimmy Butler?

Not sure how u can say Scottie was more complete when Jimmy has a clear edge on offense in most categories

The scoring is pretty close but in terms of rebounding and passing. Pippen has a huge edge.

Scoring isn't really close. Jimmy's skillset is significantly superior.

I don't see how there's a "huge" edge in rebounding and passing at all either.

Dutchball97 · Post #11 » by **Dutchball97** » Sun Sep 6, 2020 10:26 am

Their peak seasons are close in terms of production and impact. Pippen has the edge right now because he was able to keep that form for a lot more seasons and has an especially big play-offs advantage. Butler didn't have the luxury of playing with MJ for the majority of his career though and Butler's performance in the 2020 play-offs so far might be better than any play-off run Pippen ever had.

JordansBulls · Post #12 » by **JordansBulls** » Mon Sep 7, 2020 3:20 am

I like if they both were on the same squad instead.

Pelly24 · Post #13 » by **Pelly24** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 4:31 am

I think Pippen had more ability than Jimmy and maybe peaked higher. Jimmy has been impressive on this heat team, but he really hasn't had to be a consistent offensive performer. This team is ridiculously stacked lowkey. But I do think he has an alpha, IDGAF attitude that Pippen maybe never had. Same with clutch factor.

Can't wait to watch Jimmy vs. the Celtics.

SeattleJazzFan · Post #14 » by **SeattleJazzFan** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 5:30 pm

slight edge to pippen, but i can see both arguments. butler is a more efficient scorer, but pippen was a better all around player in terms of passing, rebounding and defense.

E-Balla · Post #15 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 7:36 pm

Jimmy and it's not really close imo.

E-Balla · Post #16 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 7:38 pm

No-more-rings wrote:Butler since becoming a 20+ ppg scorer hasn’t really been an elite defender though he’s been pretty good nonetheless. Agree with realbig3 that the offensive gap isn’t enough when being compared to probably the goat wing defender.

Have you seen him play since 2016? Jimmy's been a first option and elite defenders at the same time for 4 years now. His last year in Chicago he was anchoring the 6th ranked defense and his defensive on off in Minny speaks for itself.

GSP · Post #17 » by **GSP** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 8:13 pm

E-Balla wrote:Jimmy and it's not really close imo.

Not close

Where do you have peak Jimmy ranked as?

E-Balla · Post #18 » by **E-Balla** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 8:53 pm

GSP wrote:
E-Balla wrote:Jimmy and it's not really close imo.

Not close

Where do you have peak Jimmy ranked as?

I don't rank low enough to reach either Jimmy or Scottie. Might as well as where I have Shawn Kemp ranked.

prolific passer · Post #19 » by **prolific passer** » Wed Sep 9, 2020 10:52 pm

E-Balla wrote:Jimmy and it's not really close imo.

It's truly not close in the voting so far for the Pip man.

King Ken · Post #20 » by **King Ken** » Thu Sep 10, 2020 5:31 am

This one is a lot harder than people think it is. Both are tremendous overall players who are exceptional athletes. Butler is clearly better offensively and Pippen is clearly better defensively but both are two-way guys. I guess the question is, who do you need more for your team because this one is a HARD one.