Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[3pt_chucker]

Silver would definitely veto any Giannis to Nets trade. It would Warriors level of unfair(assuming health)

Silver doesn't have the power to veto that trade. The CP3 trade was veto'd because the team was looking for a new owner, and the NBA was the team's owner then. It's also a trade that has a 0.00% chance of actually happening. I find it hilarious and ironic that the guys who blast others for talking about Beal to Nets, are the ones entertaining Giannis to Nets discussion.

I wasn't really serious. It was a tongue in cheek comment because KD, Giannis, Kyrie would be an insane trio that would instantly make the Nets hated by many and be prohibitive favorites annually barring injury.

Agreed that it probably a less than 0% chance of happening.

[MrDollarBills]

Doesn't address our biggest need. Defense.

I'm not banking on the rookie to be our best defender.

Ok so we agree on two trades. Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson and Allen for Thad Young. That gives us:

Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / DJ
LeVert / TLC / Prince / Thad Young / Claxton

Death lineup - Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / Thad Young

Plus we would have the 13th pick, Philly’s 21st pick, and the MLE. I like this lineup.

Jarrett Allen for...Thad Young? Billy King, is that you?

I'm just sitting here like

[DarkXaero]

Ok so we agree on two trades. Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson and Allen for Thad Young. That gives us:

Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / DJ
LeVert / TLC / Prince / Thad Young / Claxton

Death lineup - Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / Thad Young

Plus we would have the 13th pick, Philly’s 21st pick, and the MLE. I like this lineup.

Jarrett Allen for...Thad Young? Billy King, is that you?

I'm just sitting here like

Ironically my OP for this thread was called "Billy King" esque by the same poster.

[TheNetsFan]

If Giannis wants Brooklyn, I would not even have Kyrie or KD off the table. Ideally, you have a big 3, but he's so young, that you're setting yourself up for years.

[Prokorov]

Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / Reddick / TLC / Prince / Claxton

Plus we would have the 13th pick, the MLE, and Claxton. Why is this so bad?

Doesn't address our biggest need. Defense.

I'm not banking on the rookie to be our best defender.

Ok so we agree on two trades. Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson and Allen for Thad Young. That gives us:

Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / DJ
LeVert / TLC / Prince / Thad Young / Claxton

Death lineup - Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / Thad Young

Plus we would have the 13th pick, Philly’s 21st pick, and the MLE. I like this lineup.

Thad Young is an awful fit. we need more F who can defend and shoot. and less who cant do either.

[ProspectPark]

Doesn't address our biggest need. Defense.

I'm not banking on the rookie to be our best defender.

Ok so we agree on two trades. Dinwiddie for Josh Richardson and Allen for Thad Young. That gives us:

Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / DJ
LeVert / TLC / Prince / Thad Young / Claxton

Death lineup - Kyrie / Josh Richardson / Harris / KD / Thad Young

Plus we would have the 13th pick, Philly’s 21st pick, and the MLE. I like this lineup.

Thad Young is an awful fit. we need more F who can defend and shoot. and less who cant do either.

Unfortunately we can’t just force other teams to trade us their Klay Thompsons and Kawhi Leonards. We don’t have the assets to get some A+ sniper who can guard 1-5.

In a league without Shaq, we don’t really need two Dikembe Mutombos on the roster, so one asset we could use in a trade is Allen (since DJ has no value), but what can we realistically get back for Allen, since any team that really wants him can just wait a year and get him for nothing in free agency?

Same thing with Dinwiddie. 1 year left means he would be a rental. I think we need to lower our demands a little bit.

[TheNetsFan]

In a league without Shaq, we don’t really need two Dikembe Mutombos on the roster, so one asset we could use in a trade is Allen (since DJ has no value), but what can we realistically get back for Allen, since any team that really wants him can just wait a year and get him for nothing in free agency?

Same thing with Dinwiddie. 1 year left means he would be a rental. I think we need to lower our demands a little bit.

That's not true. Bird rights matter. Getting a guy in early to sell him on staying matters. Unless you think Dinwiddie and Allen are getting MLE money or less, there are going to be limited suitors with the cap space to offer them a big contract. If you want Dinwiddie, but won't have $16+ mil in cap space, your only options are trade for him early and use bird rights, or engage the Nets in a S&T using their bird rights.

If you're a team with cap space that will be looking to add multiple players, and you think Dinwiddie will fetch around $20mil, bird rights help, because his cap hold would be a few million less.

[ecuhus1981]

If Giannis wants Brooklyn, I would not even have Kyrie or KD off the table. Ideally, you have a big 3, but he's so young, that you're setting yourself up for years.

Eh, I wouldn't go quite that far.

You can only count on one year of Giannis, call me crazy but I wouldn't give up 3 years of All-NBA for 1 year of MVP.

[TheNetsFan]

If Giannis wants Brooklyn, I would not even have Kyrie or KD off the table. Ideally, you have a big 3, but he's so young, that you're setting yourself up for years.

Eh, I wouldn't go quite that far.

You can only count on one year of Giannis, call me crazy but I wouldn't give up 3 years of All-NBA for 1 year of MVP.

I did say if Giannis wants Brooklyn. You obviously don't deal either if you're not certain he wants to be here.

[MrDollarBills]

The point of Giannis wanting Brooklyn would be to team up with KD and Kyrie.

either way, it's not happening, so no need to even worry about it. We're not going to be paying three guys 30-40 million each.

[Prokorov]

Unfortunately we can’t just force other teams to trade us their Klay Thompsons and Kawhi Leonards. We don’t have the assets to get some A+ sniper who can guard 1-5..

you dont need Kawhi Leonard to avoid bringing in an awful fit D level player like young who downgrades us everywhere

[MrDollarBills]

Unfortunately we can’t just force other teams to trade us their Klay Thompsons and Kawhi Leonards. We don’t have the assets to get some A+ sniper who can guard 1-5..

you dont need Kawhi Leonard to avoid bringing in an awful fit D level player like young who downgrades us everywhere

After seeing how Marcus Smart was tonight, I think that if we can get Jrue Holiday we should go for it. We need a dog in the backcourt

[ProspectPark]

In a league without Shaq, we don’t really need two Dikembe Mutombos on the roster, so one asset we could use in a trade is Allen (since DJ has no value), but what can we realistically get back for Allen, since any team that really wants him can just wait a year and get him for nothing in free agency?

Same thing with Dinwiddie. 1 year left means he would be a rental. I think we need to lower our demands a little bit.

That's not true. Bird rights matter. Getting a guy in early to sell him on staying matters. Unless you think Dinwiddie and Allen are getting MLE money or less, there are going to be limited suitors with the cap space to offer them a big contract. If you want Dinwiddie, but won't have $16+ mil in cap space, your only options are trade for him early and use bird rights, or engage the Nets in a S&T using their bird rights.

If you're a team with cap space that will be looking to add multiple players, and you think Dinwiddie will fetch around $20mil, bird rights help, because his cap hold would be a few million less.

There’s a lot of moving parts for that to work. For example if Atlanta signs Dinwiddie with cap space, they have no incentive to make it a S&T. They could do Dinwiddie a favor so he can keep his Bird Rights and send us a conditional draft pick, and we would get a TPE, but even that often doesn’t amount to anything useful.

I completely respect your point of view, I just personally would prefer something more concrete, like getting a player with multiple years left on his contract. I especially do not want to go into next off season where both Dinwiddie and Allen could be lost for nothing.

[TheNetsFan]

In a league without Shaq, we don’t really need two Dikembe Mutombos on the roster, so one asset we could use in a trade is Allen (since DJ has no value), but what can we realistically get back for Allen, since any team that really wants him can just wait a year and get him for nothing in free agency?

Same thing with Dinwiddie. 1 year left means he would be a rental. I think we need to lower our demands a little bit.

That's not true. Bird rights matter. Getting a guy in early to sell him on staying matters. Unless you think Dinwiddie and Allen are getting MLE money or less, there are going to be limited suitors with the cap space to offer them a big contract. If you want Dinwiddie, but won't have $16+ mil in cap space, your only options are trade for him early and use bird rights, or engage the Nets in a S&T using their bird rights.

If you're a team with cap space that will be looking to add multiple players, and you think Dinwiddie will fetch around $20mil, bird rights help, because his cap hold would be a few million less.

There’s a lot of moving parts for that to work. For example if Atlanta signs Dinwiddie with cap space, they have no incentive to make it a S&T. They could do Dinwiddie a favor so he can keep his Bird Rights and send us a conditional draft pick, and we would get a TPE, but even that often doesn’t amount to anything useful.

I completely respect your point of view, I just personally would prefer something more concrete, like getting a player with multiple years left on his contract. I especially do not want to go into next off season where both Dinwiddie and Allen could be lost for nothing.

What moving parts? It's normal NBA dealings. Atlanta is one of a small number of teams with cap space. For them, unless they believe he won't consider them in FA without getting him there ahead of time or they have plans to sign 1 or 2 additional FAs and need the additional cap space, there's no reason to trade. In either scenario, that trade only makes sense this year. Once he's a FA, they have no incentive to S&T.

But for teams with little or no cap space, e.g. Indiana, Milwaukee, Orlando, etc. they would need to trade for him.

That being said, if Tsai is willing to bring back multi-year salary, he can simply spend that money on our incumbents instead. From my perspective, I just think the likelihood of Dinwiddie getting a Rozier type offer & walking for a starting gig is strong. So if you're going to move one in a trade, it's him.

[vincecarter4pres]

If Toronto hears VanVleet will leave in the off-season, I can see something centered around Dinwiddie for Norman Powell.

[brook]

Kyrie / LeVert / Harris / KD / DJ
Dinwiddie / Reddick / TLC / Prince / (vet minimum C)

Plus we would have the 13th pick, the MLE, and Claxton. Why is this so bad?

Are you Redick's agent?

Like others already said, we don't need him because Harris right now is better. Also, we talk about the need to have a player who is a dog on D, and you want Redick?
With Harris, Dinwiddie, Temple, Prince, TLC and probably TJ back we have shooters. I agree that shooters are never enough, but we don't need Redick and his no defense that bad.

Everyone wants a defensive player. Unfortunately we don’t have the assets or cap space to get a good one. I don’t think you realize how valued these 2-way wings are in today’s NBA.

The trade with the Pelicans isn’t for Reddick. It’s primarily so we can move up in the draft. Reddick is just a filler. We would flip Allen, Temple, and Rodi (3 players who are most likely not part of our long term plans) to move up 6 spots in the draft AND to acquire a $13 million expiring contract that we can use at the trade deadline next season. Getting Saddiq Bey or Aaron Nesmith, or Patrick Williams (or whoever Marks likes) for the next 4 years on a rookie scale contract is really important for us.

Nobody wakes up and says let’s trade Allen for Reddick. Just looking at the long term outlook of the team. If Allen leaves in free agency, I would rather trade him now. The next step is finding what teams might be interested in him. Pelicans are one of the few teams who could use a C. So now we look at the Pelicans roster and try to find something that gives us something valuable in return. That ended up being Reddick.

Moving up in the draft is the key though. It would hurt to lose Allen today, but two years from now, when the guy we draft with the Pelican’s 13th pick is thriving and adding an element to this team that we don’t have right now, it will be worth it.

I completely disagree with the assumption "moving up in the draft is the key". We're in win-now mode, so probably we're going to sell draft picks and young players like Kurucs and Musa to have veterans. Trade Allen, who is already a 22-year old proven rotation player, to move up in the draft (a strange and maybe weak draft...) is crazy.

I think the MLE can be enough to have a defensive wing, like Kent Bazemore or, even better, Moe Harkless.

Oh and yes, seems to me that trade Allen and Levert for every player that breathe and have two legs is the abituè right now

[ProspectPark]

Are you Redick's agent?

Like others already said, we don't need him because Harris right now is better. Also, we talk about the need to have a player who is a dog on D, and you want Redick?
With Harris, Dinwiddie, Temple, Prince, TLC and probably TJ back we have shooters. I agree that shooters are never enough, but we don't need Redick and his no defense that bad.

Everyone wants a defensive player. Unfortunately we don’t have the assets or cap space to get a good one. I don’t think you realize how valued these 2-way wings are in today’s NBA.

The trade with the Pelicans isn’t for Reddick. It’s primarily so we can move up in the draft. Reddick is just a filler. We would flip Allen, Temple, and Rodi (3 players who are most likely not part of our long term plans) to move up 6 spots in the draft AND to acquire a $13 million expiring contract that we can use at the trade deadline next season. Getting Saddiq Bey or Aaron Nesmith, or Patrick Williams (or whoever Marks likes) for the next 4 years on a rookie scale contract is really important for us.

Nobody wakes up and says let’s trade Allen for Reddick. Just looking at the long term outlook of the team. If Allen leaves in free agency, I would rather trade him now. The next step is finding what teams might be interested in him. Pelicans are one of the few teams who could use a C. So now we look at the Pelicans roster and try to find something that gives us something valuable in return. That ended up being Reddick.

Moving up in the draft is the key though. It would hurt to lose Allen today, but two years from now, when the guy we draft with the Pelican’s 13th pick is thriving and adding an element to this team that we don’t have right now, it will be worth it.

I completely disagree with the assumption "moving up in the draft is the key". We're in win-now mode, so probably we're going to sell draft picks and young players like Kurucs and Musa to have veterans. Trade Allen, who is already a 22-year old proven rotation player, to move up in the draft (a strange and maybe weak draft...) is crazy.

I think the MLE can be enough to have a defensive wing, like Kent Bazemore or, even better, Moe Harkless.

Oh and yes, seems to me that trade Allen and Levert for every player that breathe and have two legs is the abituè right now

He hits free agency a year from now. Like any other player that is about to become a free agent, the front office will need to make a decision on if they plan on retaining him or if they are better off trading him. If they want to keep him, what would be the cost? Are they comfortable paying that amount for him? That’s all this this. Just exploring all our options.

Harkless is 27 years old. Exactly the type of player every team is looking for. You really think he’s going to take the $5 million MLE?

Matisse Thybulle, Tyler Herro, Brendan Clarke, were all taken in the mid 1st round last year. They all are locked into 4 year contracts at like $2-3 million a year and contributing right away. I would kill for having any one of them on our team as the 8th or 9th man in the playoffs.

[ProspectPark]

That's not true. Bird rights matter. Getting a guy in early to sell him on staying matters. Unless you think Dinwiddie and Allen are getting MLE money or less, there are going to be limited suitors with the cap space to offer them a big contract. If you want Dinwiddie, but won't have $16+ mil in cap space, your only options are trade for him early and use bird rights, or engage the Nets in a S&T using their bird rights.

If you're a team with cap space that will be looking to add multiple players, and you think Dinwiddie will fetch around $20mil, bird rights help, because his cap hold would be a few million less.

There’s a lot of moving parts for that to work. For example if Atlanta signs Dinwiddie with cap space, they have no incentive to make it a S&T. They could do Dinwiddie a favor so he can keep his Bird Rights and send us a conditional draft pick, and we would get a TPE, but even that often doesn’t amount to anything useful.

I completely respect your point of view, I just personally would prefer something more concrete, like getting a player with multiple years left on his contract. I especially do not want to go into next off season where both Dinwiddie and Allen could be lost for nothing.

What moving parts? It's normal NBA dealings. Atlanta is one of a small number of teams with cap space. For them, unless they believe he won't consider them in FA without getting him there ahead of time or they have plans to sign 1 or 2 additional FAs and need the additional cap space, there's no reason to trade. In either scenario, that trade only makes sense this year. Once he's a FA, they have no incentive to S&T.

But for teams with little or no cap space, e.g. Indiana, Milwaukee, Orlando, etc. they would need to trade for him.

That being said, if Tsai is willing to bring back multi-year salary, he can simply spend that money on our incumbents instead. From my perspective, I just think the likelihood of Dinwiddie getting a Rozier type offer & walking for a starting gig is strong. So if you're going to move one in a trade, it's him.

If Tsai is willing to pay then I would love winning multiple championships with Dinwiddie playing in the Finals and having him on our roster for the next 5-10 years...but if Tsai is not willing to pay, then some difficult decisions need to be made.

The year he hits free agency, there will be A LOT of teams with cap space. Same for Allen. Yes both of them have trade value, but it’s not as high as we think.

[MrDollarBills]

Everyone wants a defensive player. Unfortunately we don’t have the assets or cap space to get a good one. I don’t think you realize how valued these 2-way wings are in today’s NBA.

The trade with the Pelicans isn’t for Reddick. It’s primarily so we can move up in the draft. Reddick is just a filler. We would flip Allen, Temple, and Rodi (3 players who are most likely not part of our long term plans) to move up 6 spots in the draft AND to acquire a $13 million expiring contract that we can use at the trade deadline next season. Getting Saddiq Bey or Aaron Nesmith, or Patrick Williams (or whoever Marks likes) for the next 4 years on a rookie scale contract is really important for us.

Nobody wakes up and says let’s trade Allen for Reddick. Just looking at the long term outlook of the team. If Allen leaves in free agency, I would rather trade him now. The next step is finding what teams might be interested in him. Pelicans are one of the few teams who could use a C. So now we look at the Pelicans roster and try to find something that gives us something valuable in return. That ended up being Reddick.

Moving up in the draft is the key though. It would hurt to lose Allen today, but two years from now, when the guy we draft with the Pelican’s 13th pick is thriving and adding an element to this team that we don’t have right now, it will be worth it.

I completely disagree with the assumption "moving up in the draft is the key". We're in win-now mode, so probably we're going to sell draft picks and young players like Kurucs and Musa to have veterans. Trade Allen, who is already a 22-year old proven rotation player, to move up in the draft (a strange and maybe weak draft...) is crazy.

I think the MLE can be enough to have a defensive wing, like Kent Bazemore or, even better, Moe Harkless.

Oh and yes, seems to me that trade Allen and Levert for every player that breathe and have two legs is the abituè right now

He hits free agency a year from now. Like any other player that is about to become a free agent, the front office will need to make a decision on if they plan on retaining him or if they are better off trading him. If they want to keep him, what would be the cost? Are they comfortable paying that amount for him? That’s all this this. Just exploring all our options.

Harkless is 27 years old. Exactly the type of player every team is looking for. You really think he’s going to take the $5 million MLE?

Matisse Thybulle, Tyler Herro, Brendan Clarke, were all taken in the mid 1st round last year. They all are locked into 4 year contracts at like $2-3 million a year and contributing right away. I would kill for having any one of them on our team as the 8th or 9th man in the playoffs.

I don't think Moe Harkless is going to break the bank in the current financial situation.

[ProspectPark]

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“After just missing out on the playoffs, the Pelicans hold the 13th overall selection in the 2020 NBA draft. But unlike the other teams in the lottery, New Orleans does not necessarily need its first-round pick and could use it to acquire veteran players. William Guillory of The Athletic draws up three trades that the Pelicans could execute to upgrade their roster. One trade Guillory created has the Nets giving up Taurean Prince and their 2020 first-rounder for Darius Miller, Nicolo Melli, and the No. 13 pick.”