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Post#21 » by Plossum » Thu Sep 10, 2020 12:26 am

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Ron Swanson wrote:No idea what happened to that one-legged fadeaway, free-throw line jumper that he was starting to hit with regularity. It's like the free throw struggles killed his confidence in everything else.
Did he ever really get close to serviceable with that though? Maybe I am just remembering when he first started shooting it but it was not a good shot.


He was getting really good from there and was growing in confidence. He destroyed both OKC and Charlotte with mid-range post ups back in February and we rarely went back there after.

I’ve always thought he has great touch on his baby hook. Him working out of the post has so much value, even saw glimpses of it during the Miami series.

I think it might be time to put away the three for Giannis and really embrace his inner Shaq. Some guys just can’t shoot and I don’t see it ever happening for Giannis.
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Post#22 » by Bucksfan28 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:01 am

We dont need to find Giannis a PG who can get him the ball in a PnR, we just need to actually run those sets. The fact hes that good as a roll-man just proves we have guys that can execute it effectively with him.

This isnt to say unequivocally dont trade Bled, but swapping the parts wont necessarily solve the strategic failures we have been watching.

EDIT: Itd be interesting to see Brogdon's impact on that roll-man stat.
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Post#23 » by mke_design » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:33 am

coolhandluke121 wrote:I think Giannis made up his mind to stay in Milwaukee a long time ago and just wants to make sure the owners don't get cheap. He also seems like the type of guy who would say that everyone on the team deserves a chance to redeem themselves. I think he likes being the only superstar.

It does seem plausible that he would not extend this fall/winter just because the bargaining terms are so unsettled. I expect them to smooth out the cap, which would make it easier to run business as usual instead of completely screwing over players who are due for new deals in the next year or two. But revenue will clearly be down and is likely to affect the super-max numbers at least a little, even with some adjustments, so I could see a 1+1 deal coming.


He would be leaving around 10 million dollars on the table if he waited.
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Post#24 » by DanoMac » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:43 am

Imagine advocating for Patty Mills over a championship starving, still great CP3.

It’s more than basketball with CP3. It’s having someone to get the team under control after they make a mistake or 2, when they start moving at 150% and are clearly out of sorts. Happens way too much.

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Post#25 » by emunney » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:55 am

Chris Paul is a unanimous first ballot hall of famer still playing at that level. In a vacuum, getting him is a no brainer. The concern is then what else you have once you've got him.
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Post#26 » by coolhandluke121 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:58 am

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coolhandluke121 wrote:I think Giannis made up his mind to stay in Milwaukee a long time ago and just wants to make sure the owners don't get cheap. He also seems like the type of guy who would say that everyone on the team deserves a chance to redeem themselves. I think he likes being the only superstar.

It does seem plausible that he would not extend this fall/winter just because the bargaining terms are so unsettled. I expect them to smooth out the cap, which would make it easier to run business as usual instead of completely screwing over players who are due for new deals in the next year or two. But revenue will clearly be down and is likely to affect the super-max numbers at least a little, even with some adjustments, so I could see a 1+1 deal coming.


He would be leaving around 10 million dollars on the table if he waited.


This is not at all a given. Revenue will be way down and if they follow the CBA strictly, that means the cap will be way down because it depends on revenue. Committing to an extension starting at 35% of an artificially low cap would be problematic, especially if he wants to lock in several years, because every year after that would also be anchored to a fluke low 2020 number while other guys signing supermaxes in future season would be getting much more (assuming revenue recovers eventually).

They might amend the CBA and smooth all that out in emergency negotiations, but that's not a given. Negotiations are going to be nuts. There could easily be a lockout. I wouldn't trust any numbers you read because nobody knows what the cap will actually be at this point. Those numbers are based on projections that became irrelevant the moment Gobert tested positive. If the cap does go down temporarily, waiting until it goes back up would more than make up for playing under his current contract next season.
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Post#27 » by Coach Carter » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:01 am

Yep when you think about it, it's nuts how bad we're at the point guard position from a creation POV. And we wanted a title...
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Post#28 » by drew881 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:12 am

emunney wrote:Gary Payton is a unanimous first ballot hall of famer still playing at that level. In a vacuum, getting him is a no brainer. The concern is then what else you have once you've got him.
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Post#29 » by FlagsFlyForever » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:14 am

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He needs to improve his decision making. He could help the team a lot by taking a lesson from Ben Simmons.
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Post#30 » by Prez » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:17 am

emunney wrote:Chris Paul is a unanimous first ballot hall of famer still playing at that level. In a vacuum, getting him is a no brainer. The concern is then what else you have once you've got him.

Not saying I wouldn't do it but age/durability is also a very real concern, he'll be 36 and 37 years old in the next two postseasons on his current deal and has an injury history, a few just at horrible times. At that age guys can fall off a cliff at any point and one pulled hamstring in the second round and we'd be completely screwed.
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Post#31 » by MartyConlonOnTheRun » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:21 am

Conspiracy theory ish but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Giannis said he wasn't playing but the pr spin was better from both sides if they said it was the Bucks. (not saying he could play but sometimes doesn't sit right with the official story)
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Post#32 » by brettski » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:23 am

Has Giannis been announced as MVP?
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Post#33 » by blazza18 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:31 am

brettski wrote:Has Giannis been announced as MVP?


Not yet. Awards have been announced before the TNT games so likely tomorrow or Saturday.
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Post#34 » by emunney » Thu Sep 10, 2020 3:38 am

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:Conspiracy theory ish but I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that Giannis said he wasn't playing but the pr spin was better from both sides if they said it was the Bucks. (not saying he could play but sometimes doesn't sit right with the official story)


Not out of the realm of possibility but I also have no reason to believe it didn't happen like they said.
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Post#35 » by Fotis St » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:11 am

OK Giannis... You Won MVPs and DPOY
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Post#36 » by Ron Swanson » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:05 pm

jute2003 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:No idea what happened to that one-legged fadeaway, free-throw line jumper that he was starting to hit with regularity. It's like the free throw struggles killed his confidence in everything else.
Did he ever really get close to serviceable with that though? Maybe I am just remembering when he first started shooting it but it was not a good shot.


You're probably thinking of that awful baseline fadeaway jumper that he'd do even before Bud got here. Which yeah, those need to be expunged from his repertoire and never come back. With his lack of touch on jump-shots and hooks, Giannis needs to understand that the back board is his friend. I mean, look at Tim Duncan. I bet you'd shock some people when you tell them that he was actually a worse career FT shooter than Giannis (69%.....nice) and despite his "fundamental" reputation, didn't have great or natural touch. But he was a master at understanding angles and using the backboard to his advantage. Giannis needs to do the same.
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Post#37 » by Matches Malone » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:10 pm

I sometimes go back to this video and think to myself... "What in the hell happened here?" His shot was so fluid. Damn you, Kidd.

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Post#38 » by Baddy Chuck » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:13 pm

Yeah he's never been the same since Nate Wolters left.
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Post#39 » by machu46 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:45 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Yeah he's never been the same since Nate Wolters left.


Can't believe we had a discussion of the best lob passers in recent memory and nobody mentioned the true GOAT.
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Post#40 » by Fotis St » Thu Sep 10, 2020 2:44 pm

Yes, Nate Walters was the only PG in the last 7 years who could ONE Hand alley oop a perfect pass to Giannis. That speaks volumes

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