Nets Going Forward: Planning for Next Season

[brook]

Everyone wants a defensive player. Unfortunately we don’t have the assets or cap space to get a good one. I don’t think you realize how valued these 2-way wings are in today’s NBA.

The trade with the Pelicans isn’t for Reddick. It’s primarily so we can move up in the draft. Reddick is just a filler. We would flip Allen, Temple, and Rodi (3 players who are most likely not part of our long term plans) to move up 6 spots in the draft AND to acquire a $13 million expiring contract that we can use at the trade deadline next season. Getting Saddiq Bey or Aaron Nesmith, or Patrick Williams (or whoever Marks likes) for the next 4 years on a rookie scale contract is really important for us.

Nobody wakes up and says let’s trade Allen for Reddick. Just looking at the long term outlook of the team. If Allen leaves in free agency, I would rather trade him now. The next step is finding what teams might be interested in him. Pelicans are one of the few teams who could use a C. So now we look at the Pelicans roster and try to find something that gives us something valuable in return. That ended up being Reddick.

Moving up in the draft is the key though. It would hurt to lose Allen today, but two years from now, when the guy we draft with the Pelican’s 13th pick is thriving and adding an element to this team that we don’t have right now, it will be worth it.

I completely disagree with the assumption "moving up in the draft is the key". We're in win-now mode, so probably we're going to sell draft picks and young players like Kurucs and Musa to have veterans. Trade Allen, who is already a 22-year old proven rotation player, to move up in the draft (a strange and maybe weak draft...) is crazy.

I think the MLE can be enough to have a defensive wing, like Kent Bazemore or, even better, Moe Harkless.

Oh and yes, seems to me that trade Allen and Levert for every player that breathe and have two legs is the abituè right now

He hits free agency a year from now. Like any other player that is about to become a free agent, the front office will need to make a decision on if they plan on retaining him or if they are better off trading him. If they want to keep him, what would be the cost? Are they comfortable paying that amount for him? That’s all this this. Just exploring all our options.

Harkless is 27 years old. Exactly the type of player every team is looking for. You really think he’s going to take the $5 million MLE?

Matisse Thybulle, Tyler Herro, Brendan Clarke, were all taken in the mid 1st round last year. They all are locked into 4 year contracts at like $2-3 million a year and contributing right away. I would kill for having any one of them on our team as the 8th or 9th man in the playoffs.

You can't be sure to draft Herro or Clarke. At this point we need proven players.
I don't know about Harkless, last season between Clippers and Knicks wasn't that good to pretend to be paid alot.
Anyhow there are other similar players, like Kent Bazemore, Torrey Craig, Justin Holiday, Derrick Jones Jr., Wesley Matthews, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and, last but not least, our guy Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

For the Redick's agents, instead, my compatriot Marco Belinelli will be UFA and ask just the minimum

[ProspectPark]

I completely disagree with the assumption "moving up in the draft is the key". We're in win-now mode, so probably we're going to sell draft picks and young players like Kurucs and Musa to have veterans. Trade Allen, who is already a 22-year old proven rotation player, to move up in the draft (a strange and maybe weak draft...) is crazy.

I think the MLE can be enough to have a defensive wing, like Kent Bazemore or, even better, Moe Harkless.

Oh and yes, seems to me that trade Allen and Levert for every player that breathe and have two legs is the abituè right now

He hits free agency a year from now. Like any other player that is about to become a free agent, the front office will need to make a decision on if they plan on retaining him or if they are better off trading him. If they want to keep him, what would be the cost? Are they comfortable paying that amount for him? That’s all this this. Just exploring all our options.

Harkless is 27 years old. Exactly the type of player every team is looking for. You really think he’s going to take the $5 million MLE?

Matisse Thybulle, Tyler Herro, Brendan Clarke, were all taken in the mid 1st round last year. They all are locked into 4 year contracts at like $2-3 million a year and contributing right away. I would kill for having any one of them on our team as the 8th or 9th man in the playoffs.

You can't be sure to draft Herro or Clarke. At this point we need proven players.
I don't know about Harkless, last season between Clippers and Knicks wasn't that good to pretend to be paid alot.
Anyhow there are other similar players, like Kent Bazemore, Torrey Craig, Justin Holiday, Derrick Jones Jr., Wesley Matthews, Michael Kidd-Gilchrist and, last but not least, our guy Rondae Hollis-Jefferson

For the Redick's agents, instead, my compatriot Marco Belinelli will be UFA and ask just the minimum

I could see that. If you’re Sean Marks tho and you’ve hit in the draft so many times, AND you have Steve Nash and Kevin Durant offering their expertise, there must be a player or two in this year’s draft that they all really like. If they’re sold on someone who they think can contribute right away, then I’m all for doing whatever it takes to move up.

Like Tyler Herro for example. He makes $3.5 million. He might give them 15-20 minutes in the Finals. So it’s a big IF, but if Marks, Nash, and Durant, all see something in someone and they interview him, and it’s a perfect fit right away in terms of skill, attitude, and chemistry, then the reward is so high that it’s worth the risk in my opinion. Clarke, Thybulle, Herro, all of them had skills that immediately translated to the NBA.

I’m sure they wouldn’t move up to draft an 18 year old kid. It would have to be a 22-23 year with an NBA body and a great feel for the game.

[TheNetsFan]

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“After just missing out on the playoffs, the Pelicans hold the 13th overall selection in the 2020 NBA draft. But unlike the other teams in the lottery, New Orleans does not necessarily need its first-round pick and could use it to acquire veteran players. William Guillory of The Athletic draws up three trades that the Pelicans could execute to upgrade their roster. One trade Guillory created has the Nets giving up Taurean Prince and their 2020 first-rounder for Darius Miller, Nicolo Melli, and the No. 13 pick.”

That's an interesting trade. Miller is recovering from a ruptured achilles. Melli was an intriguing center for the 5 out offense. He may make some sense if we deal Allen in a separate deal.

Talent wise, Prince is a better fit, but if we're having buyer's remorse or tax concerns, this is a worthwhile deal. Miller could be stretched, and Melli can easily be rerouted for more salary savings.

[ProspectPark]

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“After just missing out on the playoffs, the Pelicans hold the 13th overall selection in the 2020 NBA draft. But unlike the other teams in the lottery, New Orleans does not necessarily need its first-round pick and could use it to acquire veteran players. William Guillory of The Athletic draws up three trades that the Pelicans could execute to upgrade their roster. One trade Guillory created has the Nets giving up Taurean Prince and their 2020 first-rounder for Darius Miller, Nicolo Melli, and the No. 13 pick.”

That's an interesting trade. Miller is recovering from a ruptured achilles. Melli was an intriguing center for the 5 out offense. He may make some sense if we deal Allen in a separate deal.

Talent wise, Prince is a better fit, but if we're having buyer's remorse or tax concerns, this is a worthwhile deal. Miller could be stretched, and Melli can easily be rerouted for more salary savings.

Man if we can get the Pelican’s 13th pick and not have to give up Allen, that would be a homerun.

[Paradise]

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“After just missing out on the playoffs, the Pelicans hold the 13th overall selection in the 2020 NBA draft. But unlike the other teams in the lottery, New Orleans does not necessarily need its first-round pick and could use it to acquire veteran players. William Guillory of The Athletic draws up three trades that the Pelicans could execute to upgrade their roster. One trade Guillory created has the Nets giving up Taurean Prince and their 2020 first-rounder for Darius Miller, Nicolo Melli, and the No. 13 pick.”

That's an interesting trade. Miller is recovering from a ruptured achilles. Melli was an intriguing center for the 5 out offense. He may make some sense if we deal Allen in a separate deal.

Talent wise, Prince is a better fit, but if we're having buyer's remorse or tax concerns, this is a worthwhile deal. Miller could be stretched, and Melli can easily be rerouted for more salary savings.

Man if we can get the Pelican’s 13th pick and not have to give up Allen, that would be a homerun.

Yep.

You either flip the pick in a blockbuster to try and land Beal, Giannis, Lavine, etc or keep it and be in range for Saddiq Bey, Patrick Williams, Cole Anthony, Tyrese Maxey or Precious at 13 and move another piece for a late 1st.

[DarkXaero]

If Toronto hears VanVleet will leave in the off-season, I can see something centered around Dinwiddie for Norman Powell.

I wouldn't do that, I think we would be strengthening Toronto with that trade more than ourselves.

[Papi_swav]

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“After just missing out on the playoffs, the Pelicans hold the 13th overall selection in the 2020 NBA draft. But unlike the other teams in the lottery, New Orleans does not necessarily need its first-round pick and could use it to acquire veteran players. William Guillory of The Athletic draws up three trades that the Pelicans could execute to upgrade their roster. One trade Guillory created has the Nets giving up Taurean Prince and their 2020 first-rounder for Darius Miller, Nicolo Melli, and the No. 13 pick.”

Sign me up for that trade, I'd do that in a heartbeat. Prince is a good fit with KD here now but I think we can get most of what he brings in Darius Miller and Melli is a decent player too. Along with moving up to get one of those top wing defenders is a A+.

[Claud]

I'd make that trade in a heartbeat as well.

Prince has been a disappointment so far.

He was suppoused to be a really good 3&D player but can't play D or shoot 3s at a decent clip.

I like Prince and want him to suceed but his contract isn't great and we need flexibility to build around KD and Kyrie.

Part of me feels Kenny failed him since he forced him to play PF where defensivelly he was AWFUL. Can't rebound or play D.

I can see him becoming a productive player once everything clicks though since he is still young enough and has good tools.

Very tempting trade and one I'd make. Giving up Prince is worth moving up in the draft + shedding salary. Slam dunk.

[drchaos]

I'd make that trade in a heartbeat as well.

Prince has been a disappointment so far.

He was suppoused to be a really good 3&D player but can't play D or shoot 3s at a decent clip.

I like Prince and want him to suceed but his contract isn't great and we need flexibility to build around KD and Kyrie.

Part of me feels Kenny failed him since he forced him to play PF where defensivelly he was AWFUL. Can't rebound or play D.

I can see him becoming a productive player once everything clicks though since he is still young enough and has good tools.

Very tempting trade and one I'd make. Giving up Prince is worth moving up in the draft + shedding salary. Slam dunk.

Prince is a good shooter and not too bad on defense.

He is also a young player with room to improve.

With that said we need to move him back to the wing instead of expecting him to succeed as a power forward.

Given our other options it is possible that Prince ends up being the odd man out but giving up any assets to be rid of him seems foolish until we see how he looks with KD and Kyrie in the rotation.

Taking assets is another story but Prince could surprise next year.

[Claud]

I'd make that trade in a heartbeat as well.

Prince has been a disappointment so far.

He was suppoused to be a really good 3&D player but can't play D or shoot 3s at a decent clip.

I like Prince and want him to suceed but his contract isn't great and we need flexibility to build around KD and Kyrie.

Part of me feels Kenny failed him since he forced him to play PF where defensivelly he was AWFUL. Can't rebound or play D.

I can see him becoming a productive player once everything clicks though since he is still young enough and has good tools.

Very tempting trade and one I'd make. Giving up Prince is worth moving up in the draft + shedding salary. Slam dunk.

Prince is a good shooter and not too bad on defense.

He is also a young player with room to improve.

With that said we need to move him back to the wing instead of expecting him to succeed as a power forward.

Given our other options it is possible that Prince ends up being the odd man out but giving up any assets to be rid of him seems foolish until we see how he looks with KD and Kyrie in the rotation.

Taking assets is another story but Prince could surprise next year.

He is about to enter his prime(26) so I would not say he is a young prospect although I agree he can improve still.

Prince = FG% 37.4 / 3FG% 33.9/ eFG% 47.5 / PER 9.1.

He was bad last season. We have guys like Kurucs and Claxton that can play PF and give us similar production at least.

I'm still cheering for Prince to get it together but we'd be fools not to jump on a deal as the one mentioned above.

We shed salary + with the 13th pick we could scoop up a better prospect than Prince or use the pick in trade.

[drchaos]

He is about to enter his prime(26) so I would not say he is a young prospect although I agree he can improve still.

Prince = FG% 37.4 / 3FG% 33.9/ eFG% 47.5 / PER 9.1.

He was bad last season. We have guys like Kurucs and Claxton that can play PF and give us similar production at least.

I'm still cheering for Prince to get it together but we'd be fools not to jump on a deal as the one mentioned above.

We shed salary + with the 13th pick we could scoop up a better prospect than Prince or use the pick in trade.

Just so we are on the same page I also believe that we can do better at power forward.

Where I see potential value for Prince is playing SF off the bench.

A bit pricey for a backup but he could develop into a nice asset.

[Paradise]

Caris is not getting traded. KD says he can be our third star and questions the idea of a “Big 3.”.

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[MrDollarBills]

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Listen to the entire clip. KD is all in on Caris LeVert and specifically talks about playing with him on or off the ball.

LeVert is going nowhere.

[MrDollarBills]

Caris is not getting traded. KD says he can be our third star and questions the idea of a “Big 3.”.

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Beat me to it

[brook]

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LeVert is going nowhere.

Are you sure? What about trade him for Tony Snell or Corey Brewer?

[Hello Brooklyn]

KD and Kyrie like Levert for a reason. They think he can be our third star.

They also seem to like Dinwiddie a lot. I wouldn't mind keeping both to be honest, and see how it goes.

[Paradise]

Spencer talks KD, Kyrie & Coach Nash to Forbes.com

On future of Nets offense:

“Let’s be 1000% real,” Dinwiddie said. “The schemes nowadays, they’re complicated in terms of diversions, but they all devolve into typically some type of isolation or pick-and-roll.”

All these complex schemes, he said, are about getting the ball to the team’s best one or two players with some type of iso or pnr. And Brooklyn likely won’t be different next season with Durant and Irving.

“KD’s probably going to isolate somewhere around the elbow or mid-block, and Kyrie’s probably running some type of high pick-and-roll, low-block pick-and-roll,” Dinwiddie said. “So we’ll have a bunch of misdirection and things of that nature, but we’ll probably be getting to those two in those two types of fashion 90% of the time.”

On Nash coaching without no experience:

“And to me coaching at this level, especially with the talent that we have, it’s like 80% psychologist, 10% temperament, 10% x’s and o’s,” the 27-year-old Dinwiddie said. “It’s mostly about managing the egos. That’s why Phil Jackson was phenomenal. He knew how to speak to Kobe. He knew how to speak to Michael.”

“Obviously white privilege is a thing, 1000%,” Dinwiddie said. “But in this situation, he’s only one of the most qualified basketball players of all time and is friends with the stars of our team and the GM of the team [Sean Marks, who played with Nash in Phoenix]. It kind of makes sense beyond the fact that he doesn’t have coaching experience.”

Nash will likely be fine with the x’s and o’s, according to Dinwiddie.

“It’s more like if we’re losing three, four games in a row and KD gets mad or Kyrie gets mad, how do we make sure that everybody stays together, make sure things are okay,” he said. “And okay, DJ [DeAndre Jordan] hasn’t gotten a lob in seven plays, how do we get him a touch? It’s moreso that type of management than it is ‘call this play.’”

https://www.forbes.com/sites/shlomosprung/2020/09/10/spencer-dinwiddie-brooklyn-nets-steve-nash-kevin-durant-kyrie-irving-michael-jordan-kobe/

[DarkXaero]

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KD calls Jrue the best guard defender in the league, and that seems to be the consensus opinion among NBA players. The entire podcast was really good as well. Among the players that impressed him the most this year, KD named Devonte Graham, Zach Lavine, and Kristaps Porzingis. He said Lavine has superstar potential. The entire podcast was great, and worth a listen for Nets fans. KD and JJ have a great discussion early on about NBA defense, and the perception of it among media and general public. KD also gives the most definitive, clear answers on the whole "were you gonna sign for Knicks" questions yet.

[DarkXaero]

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Listen to the entire clip. KD is all in on Caris LeVert and specifically talks about playing with him on or off the ball.

LeVert is going nowhere.

I just listened to the entire podcast, and I ain't trying to be a buzzkill here but honestly, the question from JJ basically went like "do the Nets need a third star? If you ask me, Caris can already be that guy". KD is not going to say "nah, Levert can't be that guy", obviously he's going to talk up his teammate there. Not saying that KD can't genuinely feel that way or that he's being dishonest, but those are the type of standard answers you expect when someone is talking about their teammate.

[Prokorov]

Caris is not getting traded. KD says he can be our third star and questions the idea of a “Big 3.”.

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Beat me to it

I mean if you actually listen to it, Reddick is the one who says levert can be the third star, it not something durant introduces. doesnt mean that KD doesnt like or even love levert, but he either agrees with reddick or the headlines the next day read "KD doesnt think levert can be nets 3rd star"

Levert if he stays is a 6th man. he cant work next to Kyrie and KD. which is fine every great team needs their lou williams.

if thats the case, dinwiddie/allen need to go so we can get a starting piece to go with Kyrie/Harris/KD/Jordan. doesnt need to be a star but it needs to be a legit 2 way guy. hopefully holiday. KD does sing Jrue's praises quite a bit... and Lavine as well, saying he can be a superstar.

People have called Jrue no longer an all-nba defender, they all seem to agree he is the premier guard defender in the league.