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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#41 » by JHTruth » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:33 pm

BostonCouchGM wrote:I'm not Brad's biggest cheerleader as many of you know. He's a system coach that doesn't deviate from his system to put individual players in their best position to succeed. He's also not very fiery on the sideline. That said, is it his fault they went out and spent a ton on a 6' PG who can't defend, whose game is predicated on his quickness but has been injured and is approaching 30 y/o? Is it his fault Danny took Robert Williams over Mitchell Robinson? That Danny traded for a Kyrie rental, thus losing the #8 pick in the 2018 draft which could have been used on SGA or MPJ? Is it his fault Danny felt a roster crunch that wasn't there so he took two scrub draft and stashes instead of drafting Siakam, LeVert, Dejounte Murray or Brogdon? Is it his fault that Danny passed on Sekou, Bazley, Clarke, Claxton, Bol, Roby in last year's draft?

Brad is definitely part of the problem but Danny has failed him big time. Even with that, because of injuries and players leaving the conference making it the clear inferior conference still, we have a chance to go to the ECF despite all that Danny has done. Brad has to get some credit right?


Robert Williams is among our best players in the playoffs. Whatever he gives up to Theis on D ( and he's been a + defender in the POs) he more than compensates for on O. Sekou, Bazley, Clarke, Claxton, Bol, and Rony have been playoff zeroes or haven't even played. Grant again has been highly effective in the playoffs.

Stop with this Danny can't draft garbage.

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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#42 » by GoGreen » Thu Sep 10, 2020 6:38 pm

Some of yall are out of your ****ing minds. Get a grip ffs. Brad is a young coach surrounded by young players, winning a title isn't happening this year even if the Cs make it to the finals. Not to mention, Toronto is, ya know, a really good team, too. They're going to fight, not lay down and accept defeat. The Cs taking it to 7 vs a finals tested, tough Toronto team WITHOUT Hayward is a great showing.

Teams would be swarming that man with offers if he became avbl, btw. Team is in good hands for years to come. Take a breath, relax.
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#43 » by London2Boston » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:00 pm

My main issue was not calling timeouts for the opportunities we had to win in regulation and OT.

Anyone could see our players were shook down the stretch, leaving it in their hands to make something to happen was a risk. Brad is great out of timeouts and should have took advantage of that.
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#44 » by SmartWentCrazy » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:19 pm

I think two things:

1) they absolutely should not fire Brad as a result of this series or the playoffs

2) He’s overrated and I dont believe he’s a championship level coach

I was a little surprised he got the extension when he did. But he got it, and were at least two additional seasons away from seriously entertaining moving on.
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#45 » by hugepatsfan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:31 pm

People will whine and complain about Brad. Reality: we're not winning a title unless Ainge gets him a transcendent all time great player. No one is a championship coach without that. Want to put it into perspective... KG was one of the lowest ranked all time players to lead a championship team in the last 40 years. Only a handful of other guys to do it will be ranked below him on any ranking. That's the caliber of player you need to win it all. Maybe Tatum develops into that but he's not at that level yet and it's a pretty lofty standard.

You can get rid of Brad and bring in whoever. It doesn't matter. No one is a championship coach without that caliber of player.
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#46 » by Celticsfromda6 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:42 pm

3D Chess wrote:Mark Jackson.

Hand down, man down baby!

They need a coach who’s able to call out his superstars, when they are playing like garbage. Especially Tatum when he cares about putting up status instead of winning. Mark Jackson might be that one.


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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#47 » by Celticsfromda6 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:49 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:People will whine and complain about Brad. Reality: we're not winning a title unless Ainge gets him a transcendent all time great player. No one is a championship coach without that. Want to put it into perspective... KG was one of the lowest ranked all time players to lead a championship team in the last 40 years. Only a handful of other guys to do it will be ranked below him on any ranking. That's the caliber of player you need to win it all. Maybe Tatum develops into that but he's not at that level yet and it's a pretty lofty standard.

You can get rid of Brad and bring in whoever. It doesn't matter. No one is a championship coach without that caliber of player.

Their is a lot of dead weight on that bench, and I think main reason Kyrie left was that Danny Ainge unwilling to bring proving veteran players.


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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#48 » by CelticsPride18 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:51 pm

Celticsfromda6 wrote:
3D Chess wrote:Mark Jackson.

Hand down, man down baby!

They need a coach who’s able to call out his superstars, when they are playing like garbage. Especially Tatum when he cares about putting up status instead of winning. Mark Jackson might be that one.


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There is a reason he hasn’t gotten a single interview since he was fired.
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#49 » by 3D Chess » Thu Sep 10, 2020 7:54 pm

CelticsPride18 wrote:
Celticsfromda6 wrote:
3D Chess wrote:Mark Jackson.

Hand down, man down baby!

They need a coach who’s able to call out his superstars, when they are playing like garbage. Especially Tatum when he cares about putting up status instead of winning. Mark Jackson might be that one.


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There is a reason he hasn’t gotten a single interview since he was fired.

Teams are right to be wary of his declining CPM* numbers in recent years.





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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#50 » by djsunyc » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:06 pm

brad is a fantastic coach. y'all are bonkers if you want him gone.
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#51 » by hugepatsfan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:14 pm

Celticsfromda6 wrote:
3D Chess wrote:Mark Jackson.

Hand down, man down baby!

They need a coach who’s able to call out his superstars, when they are playing like garbage. Especially Tatum when he cares about putting up status instead of winning. Mark Jackson might be that one.


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Which superstars has he coached? Tatum isn't a superstar player. Potential is there, but he isn't there right now. You have it in your head that he should play like a superstar and blame Brad for him not playing that way. Reality is that Tatum just isn't that good right now. He's a great player and an all star but he's not that guy we all want him to be. Hopefully he will be one day but he's just not.
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#52 » by Celticsfromda6 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:32 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
Celticsfromda6 wrote:
3D Chess wrote:Mark Jackson.

Hand down, man down baby!

They need a coach who’s able to call out his superstars, when they are playing like garbage. Especially Tatum when he cares about putting up status instead of winning. Mark Jackson might be that one.


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Which superstars has he coached? Tatum isn't a superstar player. Potential is there, but he isn't there right now. You have it in your head that he should play like a superstar and blame Brad for him not playing that way. Reality is that Tatum just isn't that good right now. He's a great player and an all star but he's not that guy we all want him to be. Hopefully he will be one day but he's just not.

That’s even worst when you’re not able to manage all star player ego. Two things were obvious. Brad not switches Kemba Walker for Brad Wanamaker offence to defence. Brad not telling Tatum they are double teaming you, don’t force it. Find the open man. Perfect example that play Tatum got called for flagrant foul. Jaylen flash to the elbow wide open, but he decided it to force it. Right at that time pull him out. How many mistakes you’re going to let Tatum get away with it.


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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#53 » by hugepatsfan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:38 pm

Celticsfromda6 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
Celticsfromda6 wrote:They need a coach who’s able to call out his superstars, when they are playing like garbage. Especially Tatum when he cares about putting up status instead of winning. Mark Jackson might be that one.


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Which superstars has he coached? Tatum isn't a superstar player. Potential is there, but he isn't there right now. You have it in your head that he should play like a superstar and blame Brad for him not playing that way. Reality is that Tatum just isn't that good right now. He's a great player and an all star but he's not that guy we all want him to be. Hopefully he will be one day but he's just not.

That’s even worst when you’re not able to manage all star player ego. Two things were obvious. Brad not switches Kemba Walker for Brad Wanamaker offence to defence. Brad not telling Tatum they are double teaming you, don’t force it. Find the open man. Perfect example that play Tatum got called for flagrant foul. Jaylen flash to the elbow wide open, but he decided it to force it. Right at that time pull him out. How many mistakes you’re going to let Tatum get away with it.


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You're just blaming Brad for Tatum not being good enough. Like do you honestly think Brad doesn't tell him to find the open man? It's not that simple. Tatum just simply isn't good enough. His handles aren't tight enough and his play recognition isn't good enough to identify the doubles and react as they come. There's a reason Kemba never led CHA anywhere - he's great but not THAT GREAT. When you have players of this caliber rather than the truly elite caliber, this type of up and down performance are what you get vs great playoff opponents. If you're expecting us to just roll through these teams every game it's not going to happen. We just don't have good enough players for that. It's not Brad's fault that we don't have transcendent, elite talent. And he can't just tell them to play like they're elite lol
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#54 » by Celticsfromda6 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:51 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
Celticsfromda6 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
Which superstars has he coached? Tatum isn't a superstar player. Potential is there, but he isn't there right now. You have it in your head that he should play like a superstar and blame Brad for him not playing that way. Reality is that Tatum just isn't that good right now. He's a great player and an all star but he's not that guy we all want him to be. Hopefully he will be one day but he's just not.

That’s even worst when you’re not able to manage all star player ego. Two things were obvious. Brad not switches Kemba Walker for Brad Wanamaker offence to defence. Brad not telling Tatum they are double teaming you, don’t force it. Find the open man. Perfect example that play Tatum got called for flagrant foul. Jaylen flash to the elbow wide open, but he decided it to force it. Right at that time pull him out. How many mistakes you’re going to let Tatum get away with it.


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You're just blaming Brad for Tatum not being good enough. Like do you honestly think Brad doesn't tell him to find the open man? It's not that simple. Tatum just simply isn't good enough. His handles aren't tight enough and his play recognition isn't good enough to identify the doubles and react as they come. There's a reason Kemba never led CHA anywhere - he's great but not THAT GREAT. When you have players of this caliber rather than the truly elite caliber, this type of up and down performance are what you get vs great playoff opponents. If you're expecting us to just roll through these teams every game it's not going to happen. We just don't have good enough players for that. It's not Brad's fault that we don't have transcendent, elite talent. And he can't just tell them to play like they're elite lol

Let me ask you question, if Gregg Popovich was the coach of the Celtics, would he let Tatum stay in the game, the way Tatum was playing throughout the game? Players develop bad habits if their is no accountability. Tatum he is who he is base on the way brad coached him since he came into the league. Remember Brad was harsh on Jaylen everything he made a mistake or even now Robert Williams is kept on short leash.


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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#55 » by hugepatsfan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 8:59 pm

Seriously which coaches do people think is better?

Nick Nurse? The same way everyone is complaining about Brad not willing Tatum to eliteness look at how Siakam is playing? Look at how terrible TOR's shooting has been. Nurse won a championship last year because he had Kawhi - without him TOR is playing no better than us in this series.

Spo? Ever since Lebron left he's missed the playoffs in half of his seasons. This is the first time he's ever made it out of the second round without Lebron.

Bud? Look at MIL is playing when they actually have an MVP caliber talent.

Billy Donovan? He had KD and almost got to the finals... no playoff success otherwise with guys like Westy, PG, CP3.

Brett Brown? LMFAO with how he manged those Philly teams to always play less than their talent.

I could go on and on. Not saying Brad is perfect but he's not the guy holding us back. The harsh reality is that there are only 4 guys in the NBA good enough to be top dawg on a title winning team based on historical standards - Lebron, Durant (if healthy), Kawhi, Curry. Those are the only guys in the top 20-30 all time discussion which are the guys that have won all of the titles the last 40 years besides that random DET team. We don't have one of those guys. And all of these great coaches people would want instead of Brad have similarly failed in years without those guys. Each of the last 8 NBA champs were led by one of those players. And in the years before that the champs were led by Dirk, Kobe (x2), KG, Duncan (x4), etc. Without a player like that we just aren't going to win. It's reality.
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#56 » by hugepatsfan » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:01 pm

Celticsfromda6 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
Celticsfromda6 wrote:That’s even worst when you’re not able to manage all star player ego. Two things were obvious. Brad not switches Kemba Walker for Brad Wanamaker offence to defence. Brad not telling Tatum they are double teaming you, don’t force it. Find the open man. Perfect example that play Tatum got called for flagrant foul. Jaylen flash to the elbow wide open, but he decided it to force it. Right at that time pull him out. How many mistakes you’re going to let Tatum get away with it.


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You're just blaming Brad for Tatum not being good enough. Like do you honestly think Brad doesn't tell him to find the open man? It's not that simple. Tatum just simply isn't good enough. His handles aren't tight enough and his play recognition isn't good enough to identify the doubles and react as they come. There's a reason Kemba never led CHA anywhere - he's great but not THAT GREAT. When you have players of this caliber rather than the truly elite caliber, this type of up and down performance are what you get vs great playoff opponents. If you're expecting us to just roll through these teams every game it's not going to happen. We just don't have good enough players for that. It's not Brad's fault that we don't have transcendent, elite talent. And he can't just tell them to play like they're elite lol

Let me ask you question, if Gregg Popovich was the coach of the Celtics, would he let Tatum stay in the game, the way Tatum was playing throughout the game? Players develop bad habits if their is no accountability. Tatum he is who he is base on the way brad coached him since he came into the league. Remember Brad was harsh on Jaylen everything he made a mistake or even now Robert Williams is kept on short leash.


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I promise you Pop ain't taking out his all star to put in Semi Ojeleye lol
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#57 » by Celticsfromda6 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:16 pm

hugepatsfan wrote:
Celticsfromda6 wrote:
hugepatsfan wrote:
You're just blaming Brad for Tatum not being good enough. Like do you honestly think Brad doesn't tell him to find the open man? It's not that simple. Tatum just simply isn't good enough. His handles aren't tight enough and his play recognition isn't good enough to identify the doubles and react as they come. There's a reason Kemba never led CHA anywhere - he's great but not THAT GREAT. When you have players of this caliber rather than the truly elite caliber, this type of up and down performance are what you get vs great playoff opponents. If you're expecting us to just roll through these teams every game it's not going to happen. We just don't have good enough players for that. It's not Brad's fault that we don't have transcendent, elite talent. And he can't just tell them to play like they're elite lol

Let me ask you question, if Gregg Popovich was the coach of the Celtics, would he let Tatum stay in the game, the way Tatum was playing throughout the game? Players develop bad habits if their is no accountability. Tatum he is who he is base on the way brad coached him since he came into the league. Remember Brad was harsh on Jaylen everything he made a mistake or even now Robert Williams is kept on short leash.


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I promise you Pop ain't taking out his all star to put in Semi Ojeleye lol

I don’t think anybody is asking for perfection, but team has to be discipline and understand basketball situations, you’re up by 3 or tie multiple times, but you give up wide open 3 because you don’t want to take out Kemba and your players don’t understand basketball situation or clock management.


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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#58 » by Bad-Thoma » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:29 pm

Celticsfromda6 wrote:
3D Chess wrote:Mark Jackson.

Hand down, man down baby!

They need a coach who’s able to call out his superstars, when they are playing like garbage. Especially Tatum when he cares about putting up status instead of winning. Mark Jackson might be that one.


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Lol, Tatum cares about stats? He's one of the best young defenders in the game and on an off night rebounded his ass off and had a career high in assists. You, sir, are a tool and probably some Raptor fan's second account. Get a life.
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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#59 » by Celticsfromda6 » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:30 pm

Bad-Thoma wrote:
Celticsfromda6 wrote:
3D Chess wrote:Mark Jackson.

Hand down, man down baby!

They need a coach who’s able to call out his superstars, when they are playing like garbage. Especially Tatum when he cares about putting up status instead of winning. Mark Jackson might be that one.


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Lol, Tatum cares about stats? He's one of the best young defenders in the game and on an off night rebounded his ass off and had a career high in assists. You, sir, are a tool and probably some Raptor fan's second account. Get a life.

Lmaooooo


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Re: If not Brad, who? 

Post#60 » by Bad-Thoma » Thu Sep 10, 2020 9:32 pm

Celticsfromda6 wrote:
Bad-Thoma wrote:
Celticsfromda6 wrote:They need a coach who’s able to call out his superstars, when they are playing like garbage. Especially Tatum when he cares about putting up status instead of winning. Mark Jackson might be that one.


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Lol, Tatum cares about stats? He's one of the best young defenders in the game and on an off night rebounded his ass off and had a career high in assists. You, sir, are a tool and probably some Raptor fan's second account. Get a life.

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Anyone saying Mark Jackson might be a good choice is obviously a troll, and that's giving them the benefit of the doubt against the alternatives.

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