Fantasy Trade Thread 2019-2020 Post Season

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

Richardson is ok for what he is, a 4th/5th option.

Creating off the dribble/running the offense should be the job of a max contract player if you want to contend. Rozier might have a more suitable skillset for that but he doesnt have the quality.

Right, but on a team that spent all their max contract money on ancillary players that can't score off the dribble, we have to get creative in finding ways to get guys that can score in the halfcourt. Get players in the sub-star range that possess that skillset and hope that they can approximate star play in the playoffs (even if only in short spurts).

The Eric Bledsoe, DeJounte Murray, Terry Rozier, Fred VanVleet types.

I would prefer Murray, but San Antonio is too smart to part ways with him. Rozier seems more obtainable, given the organization he's apart of.

You mention Dejounte Murray...That's an interesting name considering the type of players you generally like. He can't shoot at all from three. He's talented no doubt, and can defend with the best of them, it's just a name I didn't expect you to bring up. A major jump in production isn't out of the question for him, but right now he looks more like a role playing point guard that is an extremely athletic sound defensive player. I also don't think he's as untouchable as some think. The Spurs would part with him. I think they are going full rebuild.

Edit....Just to follow up, I agree with you on getting creative with halfcourt players. Obviously we have no shot at Donovan Mitchell or Jamal Murray, or James Harden, but there are scorers out there that we can get with hopes that it expands in the playoffs. It's the main reason why I like Trey Burke so much. I thought signing him was such an under the radar genius move at the time. Fortunately for him, Dallas took a chance on him and he will now earn himself a decent pay day. I have some players in mind and hopefully I don't get laughed at for it, but Tyler Johnson, Jordan Clarkson (if we can afford him), DJ Augustin, and Shabazz Napier are some names i'd be looking at in free agency. Obviously Jordan Clarkson would be the best possible scenario, but I really like Tyler Johnson too. The guy can score and does so whenever he gets an opportunity.

[Kobblehead]

My dream deal with Chicago would be Harris for Porter and Young.

We dump a financial burden and playoff zero for two guys that are defensive assets in the postseason. We'd still be without a creator, but we would have two major defensive playoff rotation pieces with excellent size.

Not many teams have multiple wing defenders 6'8" or taller. We'd be fielding three excellent ones in Simmons, Porter and Young. Our biggest competition in the Conference happens to have likesized scorers in that height range (Tatum and Brown).

I like the idea because i believe this Tatum/Brown duo could be a pain in our side if we dont get some legit wing defenders. Im wondering how we would replace his scoring? We would still need uprgrades on the peremiter...

Given that Harris' scoring is just volume obtained and not actual buckets generated through creation, a simple plug out plug in should be sufficient to replace his points. Both Young and Porter have consistently been double digit scorers in their career so I don't see them encountering any problems replacing Harris' 18+.

[Kobblehead]

You mention Dejounte Murray...That's an interesting name considering the type of players you generally like. He can't shoot at all from three. He's talented no doubt, and can defend with the best of them, it's just a name I didn't expect you to bring up. A major jump in production isn't out of the question for him, but right now he looks more like a role playing point guard that is an extremely athletic sound defensive player. I also don't think he's as untouchable as some think. The Spurs would part with him. I think they are going full rebuild.

I'm not a big shooting guy. I don't think it's a reliable trait, especially in the playoffs where shots are contested and closed out on at a far more frequent rate than they are in the regular season. Only traits I value in the playoffs are scoring off the dribble and defending your position.

So even if Murray can't drain a tennis ball through an inflatable pool tube, he can at least perform those two ultra impactful playoff traits.

I actually predict a major jump in production from him. Like 17-19 ppg worth of scoring with elite defense. A true playoff monster. G-version of Kawhi (like Brett thought Zhaire Smith was lol).

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

You mention Dejounte Murray...That's an interesting name considering the type of players you generally like. He can't shoot at all from three. He's talented no doubt, and can defend with the best of them, it's just a name I didn't expect you to bring up. A major jump in production isn't out of the question for him, but right now he looks more like a role playing point guard that is an extremely athletic sound defensive player. I also don't think he's as untouchable as some think. The Spurs would part with him. I think they are going full rebuild.

I'm not a big shooting guy. I don't think it's a reliable trait, especially in the playoffs where shots are contested and closed out on at a far more frequent rate than they are in the regular season. Only traits I value in the playoffs are scoring off the dribble and defending your position.

So even if Murray can't drain a tennis ball through an inflatable pool tube, he can at least perform those two ultra impactful playoff traits.

I actually predict a major jump in production from him. Like 17-19 ppg worth of scoring with elite defense. A true playoff monster. G-version of Kawhi (like Brett thought Zhaire Smith was lol).

I edited my last post in case you didn't see it. What about Tyler Johnson? Vet min? Does exactly what you are talking about. Also Jordan Clarkson is another name I like. Not sure if we can afford him though. I'd love Murray here, but we don't have a matching offer that the Spurs will like unless we're parting with Mattise or a draft pick.

[Kobblehead]

Yeah, I like some of those names. The list expands quite a bit when you take off the defensive requirement. Obviously, you'd just prefer to have guys that can defend their position because they offer the most impact towards winning.

That said, I agree that we should be evaluating all guys that can score off the dribble, defensive sieve or not. I agree that getting Trey Burke and Alec Burks were good additions. It's a shame we didn't stick with both of them for our playoff rotation. Might have been a little more viable in the halfcourt in some crucial possessions.

[ProcessDoctor]

If Houston decides to blow it up...

Simmons/Richardson/Scott/Smith/#21/2022 FRP/2023 FRP swap

for

Harden/Gordon


Harden(34)/Gordon(14)
Thybulle(30)/Gordon(10)/Milton(8)
MLE(20)/Korkmaz(16)/Milton(12)
Harris(34)/Horford(10)/MLE(4)
Embiid(30)/Horford(18)


Harden/Gordon/Micic
Thybulle/Milton/#49
MLE/Korkmaz/#36
Harris/#34/Min
Embiid/Horford/Pelle

Edit: took out Cov/Horford

[ExplosionsInDaSky]

If we're talking realistic trade ideas here, then the one I like the best thus far has been the Horford/Rich for Rozier/Zeller. That one has made the most sense for both teams. I'm not opposed to the Harris for Otto Porter trade either. That one would be awesome if we could pull that off too!

[the_process]

Horford to BKN
Allen and Conley to PHI
Prince, Temple, Scott, and Zhaire to UTA

[Kobblehead]

Man, I'd really love to pursue a deal with Memphis regarding Winslow and Anderson (roughly $22m in salary).

We can take more salary back if they're interested in taking one of our big contracts (Harris or Horford). They might be interested in Harris because they can't sign free agents.

If they aren't interested in taking on a big deal, we could just match salaries by including our entire playoff rotation on the wings lol (Richardson, Scott, Korkmaz, Milton). They could all go, except Thybulle, for all I care.

Getting Winslow and Anderson would be in-line with the same concept of getting Porter and Young from Chicago. We stack up on F-sized defenders to help guard Boston's wing duo.

[stormi]

I guess it'd be like a downgraded version of Miami getting Iggy and Crowder at the deadline. We do desperately need more athletic wings though.

OG impressed me actually the last few games against Boston. I thought he was just like another Winslow or Stanley Johnson, but he flashes some skill, decent jumper, workable handle.

[ankle420breaker]

Man, I'd really love to pursue a deal with Memphis regarding Winslow and Anderson (roughly $22m in salary).

We can take more salary back if they're interested in taking one of our big contracts (Harris or Horford). They might be interested in Harris because they can't sign free agents.

If they aren't interested in taking on a big deal, we could just match salaries by including our entire playoff rotation on the wings lol (Richardson, Scott, Korkmaz, Milton). They could all go, except Thybulle, for all I care.

Getting Winslow and Anderson would be in-line with the same concept of getting Porter and Young from Chicago. We stack up on F-sized defenders to help guard Boston's wing duo.

I'd be all over a deal surrounding Harris and Anderson. Honestly good fits for both squads. We may need to include a first to get out from under Harris' contract (I've come to terms with this), but its a speeding ticket in the long run.

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[youngcrev]

Don't both of those guys have broken jump shots?

[ankle420breaker]

They do. Anderson is overpaid and can't shoot, but he's a savvy offensive player, crafty playmaker, and capable defender.

The key to happiness in any Harris trade scenario is low expectations. I don't foresee us being able to replace him with a guy who possesses the specific skillset we currently lack.

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[Kobblehead]

Don't both of those guys have broken jump shots?

Correct.

However, both can defend their position (and other positions, as well), put the ball on the floor and pass really well. Far more important playoff traits that hitting jumpers, in my eyes.

[Kobblehead]

I'm not done with Grizzlies players with compromised shooting, either. I really want Josh Jackson on the MLE or vet minimum. More elite defense and playmaking ability.

[ankle420breaker]

I'm not done with Grizzlies players with compromised shooting, either. I really want Josh Jackson on the MLE or vet minimum. More elite defense and playmaking ability.

I'd be more comfortable attaching Thybulle in the right scenarios (for guys like Jrue) if we're able to sign Jackson this summer.

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[Kobblehead]

Still not crazy about losing a team-controlled playoff asset like Thybulle, but I see what you're saying. I would feel more comfortable sacrificing Thybulle if we had Winslow, Anderson, and Jackson left over.

[Kobblehead]

BTW, I think it's mere suface-level logic to want to surround Embiid with shooters.

We need to surround Embiid with athletic defenders that can put the ball on the floor and pass. Kickouts from the post to three are fine and all, but kicking it out to someone that can attack a closeout and send the defense even further scrambling is how you really make an impact. Moving defenders that's don't have their feet set are easy to exploit on the drive and are a surefire way to generate whistles and get to the free throw line. Putting teams in the penalty in playoff basketball is an amazing advantage.

Shooting is overrated, get defensive players that can create off the dribble (or at least attack a closeout) IMO.

[skulky]

BTW, I think it's mere suface-level logic to want to surround Embiid with shooters.

We need to surround Embiid with athletic defenders that can put the ball on the floor and pass. Kickouts from the post to three are fine and all, but kicking it out to someone that can attack a closeout and send the defense even further scrambling is how you really make an impact. Moving defenders that's don't have their feet set are easy to exploit on the drive and are a surefire way to generate whistles and get to the free throw line. Putting teams in the penalty in playoff basketball is an amazing advantage.

Shooting is overrated, get defensive players that can create off the dribble (or at least attack a closeout) IMO.

I mostly agree, and certainly the importance of defense and shot creation in the playoffs. And the shooting is one thing but out and out broken shots is another, as well as pairing that with Ben Simmons’ refusal to shoot. I like both Kyle Anderson and Justise Winslow. If it means getting off of Harris I’d think about it. But building an offense with so many non shooters is going to be next to impossible in 2020. And yes there’s just an epic difference in shooting between players like roco/Harris and Duncan Robinson or JJ Redick, and their gravity. But I agree getting strong defensive wings is a priority especially if they have shot creation ability.

What do you think about buying low on Kevin Knox? He obviously has the physical tools, and definitely had some defensive improvement even on such a broken defensive team.

[stormi]

Kobble trying to build the 2018 Heat that got 4-1'd by Redick, Belinelli and Ersan running around in circles