Trades and Transactions thread - To the offseason!

[knickstape4ever]

#18 in a weak draft compared to an unknown draft? Can’t say I wouldn’t consider it if I were them... if they have the option of losing one of the two picks.. might as well get rid of a late one in a weak draft than risk losing a better one in a good draft. Their fans liked it.

doesnt make sense for the Mavs IMO. that 2023 pick could very well be a late 1st, and its protected, so even if something happened to Luka/KP, they still keep their pick top 10

there'a a misconception about this draft. yes, it's weak at the top, but it is deep in role players. if the Mavs are all in on Luka, they're gonna want to use that pick, not wait for 2023 to retain what'll be their late 1st

if Dallas is offering, I'd take it tho, but doubt they would

They’re not winning the chip any time soon. What if 2023 was as good a draft as years where guys like Booker n Myles or Klay n Kawhi were chosen from 11-15? If I’m them, I’d roll the dice. At #18... this draft is role players. Even one of the Mavs mods liked the deal... and that dude is tough on trades on that board.

Mavs are a good, competitive team already. their goal is gonna be to get better soon, not wait 3 years for a draft pick that may land 11-17 for the small chance they strike gold and draft the next Kawhi, Klay, or Booker (which is unlikely because those are legit superstars)

Why cant the Mavs win a championship soon? they have a top 5 players rn, they're gonna want to surround him w/ talent

how many mavs fans liked that deal? I feel like if that was posted on the Mavs board or Mavs reddit, it'd get shot down quickly

[spree8]

doesnt make sense for the Mavs IMO. that 2023 pick could very well be a late 1st, and its protected, so even if something happened to Luka/KP, they still keep their pick top 10

there'a a misconception about this draft. yes, it's weak at the top, but it is deep in role players. if the Mavs are all in on Luka, they're gonna want to use that pick, not wait for 2023 to retain what'll be their late 1st

if Dallas is offering, I'd take it tho, but doubt they would

They’re not winning the chip any time soon. What if 2023 was as good a draft as years where guys like Booker n Myles or Klay n Kawhi were chosen from 11-15? If I’m them, I’d roll the dice. At #18... this draft is role players. Even one of the Mavs mods liked the deal... and that dude is tough on trades on that board.

Mavs are a good, competitive team already. their goal is gonna be to get better soon, not wait 3 years for a draft pick that may land 11-17 for the small chance they strike gold and draft the next Kawhi, Klay, or Booker (which is unlikely because those are legit superstars)

Why cant the Mavs win a championship soon? they have a top 5 players rn, they're gonna want to surround him w/ talent

how many mavs fans liked that deal? I feel like if that was posted on the Mavs board or Mavs reddit, it'd get shot down quickly

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Posted by a Mavs fan, liked by a Mavs mod, some Knicks fans liked it, others didn’t.

[knickstape4ever]

They’re not winning the chip any time soon. What if 2023 was as good a draft as years where guys like Booker n Myles or Klay n Kawhi were chosen from 11-15? If I’m them, I’d roll the dice. At #18... this draft is role players. Even one of the Mavs mods liked the deal... and that dude is tough on trades on that board.

Mavs are a good, competitive team already. their goal is gonna be to get better soon, not wait 3 years for a draft pick that may land 11-17 for the small chance they strike gold and draft the next Kawhi, Klay, or Booker (which is unlikely because those are legit superstars)

Why cant the Mavs win a championship soon? they have a top 5 players rn, they're gonna want to surround him w/ talent

how many mavs fans liked that deal? I feel like if that was posted on the Mavs board or Mavs reddit, it'd get shot down quickly

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=1994025


Posted by a Mavs fan, liked by a Mavs mod, some Knicks fans liked it, others didn’t.

just dont see how it makes much sense for the Mavs unless they're moving the picks to free up salary (attaching the picks to Powell and/or Wright). dont see why the the Mavs would move 2 picks this year just to remove the protection from a pick 3 years from now. #31 is kinda valuable too b/c 2nd rounder aren't locked into a 2+2 contact that 1st rounders are

I could understand them trying to trade #18 + Powell and/or Wright for cap relief (which they'd have to do post-draft due to stepien rule) so that they can add another piece in FA

[Richard4444]

I know. Crazy. There's no way we're trading Mitch. In fact, we should be planning on when to make him an early offer locking him up at a significant raise which is still a bargain for us. 4 years/$30-32M?

While I agree we should lock him up now, Rich Paul aint going for that cheap deal.

You’re. He’ll get the max of 4 years/$56M

If he low ball us, he could get an even better deal. He can be a UFA in 2022. I hope we re-sign him for 14/y after capped out.

[Richard4444]

Saw this posted on the trade board... got a lot of good feedback, especially from Dallas fans..


Knicks: #18 & #31

Mavs: Dallas 23’ 1st round pick (top 10 protected) back

Gives us: 8th, 18th, 27th, 31st, 38th this draft.

I think it easier to trade the Dallas 23 pick to a team that is over the luxury tax or near luxury tax but far away to be a contender.

Dallas 23 for:
Boston #14
Orlando #15
Wolves #17
Sixers # 21 + #36

[moocow007]

Saw this posted on the trade board... got a lot of good feedback, especially from Dallas fans..


Knicks: #18 & #31

Mavs: Dallas 23’ 1st round pick (top 10 protected) back



Gives us: 8th, 18th, 27th, 31st, 38th this draft.

If Dallas is game I'm in. The value of that Dallas pick is marginal for us. I'd rather start the rebuild sooner.

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[spree2kawhi]

We would need a first rounder for every year of his contract. I dont okc will give that up.

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We're not getting chris paul and there's really no point in even considering him from where we stand. That said, Chris Paul has no business in NY at this point in his career either. It's nonsense in its truest sense.

I'd trade Randle for Conley in a heartbeat.

Everyone said the same thing about Paul when he was traded to OKC but he was able to lead them to the playoffs.

Oh he'd get us into the playoffs, no doubt. That doesn't change anything though, not for him certainly and it's also not a good thing for us.

[WargamesX]

We're not getting chris paul and there's really no point in even considering him from where we stand. That said, Chris Paul has no business in NY at this point in his career either. It's nonsense in its truest sense.

I'd trade Randle for Conley in a heartbeat.

Everyone said the same thing about Paul when he was traded to OKC but he was able to lead them to the playoffs.

Oh he'd get us into the playoffs, no doubt. That doesn't change anything though, not for him certainly and it's also not a good thing for us.

I don’t know if he can get the Knicks to the playoffs

The Thunder had Gallo, Schroeder, and Adams who were talented vets and SGA just happened.

Even if one of our youth developed into a bono fide player like SGA, we don’t have the underrated veteran talent the Thunder have to support a playoff push.

CP3 never fit NY’s timeline. We would just ride him into oblivion. The Knicks need to be smart and take advantage of teams trying to shed salary for talent. I am way more interested in the rumors of swapping picks with the Suns for Oubre and the Jazz for Conley than any rumor of us sending the Thunder assets for CP3.

[bleedblue3303]

RJ Barrett would be the unanimous #1 pick this draft

Everyone keeps saying that on this board. But can you show me evidence of it. He is projected to be a solid NBA starter. Not a superstar. He's not that athletic and does not have a great jump shot. One thing we are seeing from these playoffs especially. Your wings need to be great 3 point shooters. I like the kid and love him on our team. But you have to draft to find a star. To find a young star on a rookie deal, is the first step in building a championship team. It will help with FA, etc.

The best example is Philly with MCW they realized very quickly he was not a star, so even though he won rookie of the year they moved on from him.
Another example would be KP. We had serious questions about his durability and attitude going back to Pjax era, and KP has star potential. Wouldn't we have been better off trading him much earlier than we did.

RJ would be far and away the number 1 pick in this draft and it wouldn't be remotely close between him and number 2. The reason is simple, he's a 6'7" wing that can handle the ball and create shots, there's just no other player in this draft that posted the type of numbers he did with his skillset. RJ averaged 23ppg, 8rpg, 4apg on 45% shooting as a freshman, there is not a single underclassmen putting up those numbers in this draft class. The playoffs is littered with wing players that can shoot, you're right about that, but Jaylen Brown was a 29% three point shooter in college and a year older than RJ as a rookie. You don't give up on wings like RJ so soon, his numbers are virtually identical to Brandon Ingram's rookie numbers. The shooting can be fixed as long as he puts in the work, finding guys that can create and slash like him at his size is rare.

MCW was 22 years old as a rookie and wasn't a top lottery pick, they capitalized on his rookie season.

If KP didn't have injury concerns he'd still be on our team.[/quote,

I agree with you about RJ slashing ability but we are a long way away from surrounding a RJ with a team that resembles anything what Jaylen Brown is surrounded with. Brown came into an amazing situatuion. I also don't think its about giving up on the player. I think its about swinging for the fences. RJ is not going to be a star. So you need to get as much draft capital as possible to get back up to the plate. That's what I meant by the MCW comparison

[knickstape4ever]

Everyone keeps saying that on this board. But can you show me evidence of it. He is projected to be a solid NBA starter. Not a superstar. He's not that athletic and does not have a great jump shot. One thing we are seeing from these playoffs especially. Your wings need to be great 3 point shooters. I like the kid and love him on our team. But you have to draft to find a star. To find a young star on a rookie deal, is the first step in building a championship team. It will help with FA, etc.

The best example is Philly with MCW they realized very quickly he was not a star, so even though he won rookie of the year they moved on from him.
Another example would be KP. We had serious questions about his durability and attitude going back to Pjax era, and KP has star potential. Wouldn't we have been better off trading him much earlier than we did.

RJ would be far and away the number 1 pick in this draft and it wouldn't be remotely close between him and number 2. The reason is simple, he's a 6'7" wing that can handle the ball and create shots, there's just no other player in this draft that posted the type of numbers he did with his skillset. RJ averaged 23ppg, 8rpg, 4apg on 45% shooting as a freshman, there is not a single underclassmen putting up those numbers in this draft class. The playoffs is littered with wing players that can shoot, you're right about that, but Jaylen Brown was a 29% three point shooter in college and a year older than RJ as a rookie. You don't give up on wings like RJ so soon, his numbers are virtually identical to Brandon Ingram's rookie numbers. The shooting can be fixed as long as he puts in the work, finding guys that can create and slash like him at his size is rare.

MCW was 22 years old as a rookie and wasn't a top lottery pick, they capitalized on his rookie season.

If KP didn't have injury concerns he'd still be on our team.[/quote,

I agree with you about RJ slashing ability but we are a long way away from surrounding a RJ with a team that resembles anything what Jaylen Brown is surrounded with. Brown came into an amazing situatuion. I also don't think its about giving up on the player. I think its about swinging for the fences. RJ is not going to be a star. So you need to get as much draft capital as possible to get back up to the plate. That's what I meant by the MCW comparison

yeah RJ would easily be #1 in this draft. people seem to forget how good a season he had at Duke b/c Zion

imo he still has star potential, b/c not many wings have ability to run the offense, and if he improves his shot, he becomes a dangerous scorer w/ his ability to get to the rim

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I agree with you about RJ slashing ability but we are a long way away from surrounding a RJ with a team that resembles anything what Jaylen Brown is surrounded with. Brown came into an amazing situatuion. I also don't think its about giving up on the player. I think its about swinging for the fences. RJ is not going to be a star. So you need to get as much draft capital as possible to get back up to the plate. That's what I meant by the MCW comparison

I'm not sure how you can say RJ won't be a star, it's entirely too early to say he wont be. His shooting splits are almost identical to Brandon Ingram's rookie numbers, another Duke wing who people gave up on too early. I expect a similar type of growth from RJ in his second season as Brandon had, and by his 3rd season I'd expect the breakout/jump to happen for him that took Ingram until his 4th season. There is no comparison to RJ and MCW, you initially asked why people felt why RJ would go first in this draft and I outlined why he'd be the consensus 1 in this draft. Trading RJ for LaMelo or Edwards would be a step back, neither are on his level as a prospect.

Jaylen's rookie year was worse than RJ's, and he was a year older, you would have been saying we should trade Jaylen if we had him during his rookie year. RJ is a talented player, he just needs to work on his skills and build on them, not sure why you're so quick to give up on him when he had some flashes of what he can become.

[Esq-4]

I agree with you about RJ slashing ability but we are a long way away from surrounding a RJ with a team that resembles anything what Jaylen Brown is surrounded with. Brown came into an amazing situatuion. I also don't think its about giving up on the player. I think its about swinging for the fences. RJ is not going to be a star. So you need to get as much draft capital as possible to get back up to the plate. That's what I meant by the MCW comparison

I'm not sure how you can say RJ won't be a star, it's entirely too early to say he wont be. His shooting splits are almost identical to Brandon Ingram's rookie numbers, another Duke wing who people gave up on too early. I expect a similar type of growth from RJ in his second season as Brandon had, and by his 3rd season I'd expect the breakout/jump to happen for him that took Ingram until his 4th season. There is no comparison to RJ and MCW, you initially asked why people felt why RJ would go first in this draft and I outlined why he'd be the consensus 1 in this draft. Trading RJ for LaMelo or Edwards would be a step back, neither are on his level as a prospect.

Jaylen's rookie year was worse than RJ's, and he was a year older, you would have been saying we should trade Jaylen if we had him during his rookie year. RJ is a talented player, he just needs to work on his skills and build on them, not sure why you're so quick to give up on him when he had some flashes of what he can become.

Weren't people saying a couple years ago that Jaylen was a bad pick? Same with Ingram. I'm sure there is long list of top 5 picks who took a couple years. Ball and Edwards are no lock.

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[Monk1718]

Pay Mitch when it comes time and live with the consequences. Df we doing with that cap anyway?

[Polk377]

Pay Mitch when it comes time and live with the consequences. Df we doing with that cap anyway?

Right. If they aren't willing to invest in the future then what the hell is even the point?

[bleedblue3303]

I agree with you about RJ slashing ability but we are a long way away from surrounding a RJ with a team that resembles anything what Jaylen Brown is surrounded with. Brown came into an amazing situatuion. I also don't think its about giving up on the player. I think its about swinging for the fences. RJ is not going to be a star. So you need to get as much draft capital as possible to get back up to the plate. That's what I meant by the MCW comparison

I'm not sure how you can say RJ won't be a star, it's entirely too early to say he wont be. His shooting splits are almost identical to Brandon Ingram's rookie numbers, another Duke wing who people gave up on too early. I expect a similar type of growth from RJ in his second season as Brandon had, and by his 3rd season I'd expect the breakout/jump to happen for him that took Ingram until his 4th season. There is no comparison to RJ and MCW, you initially asked why people felt why RJ would go first in this draft and I outlined why he'd be the consensus 1 in this draft. Trading RJ for LaMelo or Edwards would be a step back, neither are on his level as a prospect.

Jaylen's rookie year was worse than RJ's, and he was a year older, you would have been saying we should trade Jaylen if we had him during his rookie year. RJ is a talented player, he just needs to work on his skills and build on them, not sure why you're so quick to give up on him when he had some flashes of what he can become.

Weren't people saying a couple years ago that Jaylen was a bad pick? Same with Ingram. I'm sure there is long list of top 5 picks who took a couple years. Ball and Edwards are no lock.

I could be wrong but wasnt Jaylen an athletic freak and BI is 6'10 with a 7'3" wingspan. I am confident RJ will not be a star because he lacks the athleticism most analysts agree. I would love to keep RJ but not at the expense of getting more draft picks to potentially get a star. I think his trade value is at his highest because the league knows how much we value him.

[spree2kawhi]

RJ would be far and away the number 1 pick in this draft and it wouldn't be remotely close between him and number 2. The reason is simple, he's a 6'7" wing that can handle the ball and create shots, there's just no other player in this draft that posted the type of numbers he did with his skillset. RJ averaged 23ppg, 8rpg, 4apg on 45% shooting as a freshman, there is not a single underclassmen putting up those numbers in this draft class. The playoffs is littered with wing players that can shoot, you're right about that, but Jaylen Brown was a 29% three point shooter in college and a year older than RJ as a rookie. You don't give up on wings like RJ so soon, his numbers are virtually identical to Brandon Ingram's rookie numbers. The shooting can be fixed as long as he puts in the work, finding guys that can create and slash like him at his size is rare.

MCW was 22 years old as a rookie and wasn't a top lottery pick, they capitalized on his rookie season.

If KP didn't have injury concerns he'd still be on our team.[/quote,

I agree with you about RJ slashing ability but we are a long way away from surrounding a RJ with a team that resembles anything what Jaylen Brown is surrounded with. Brown came into an amazing situatuion. I also don't think its about giving up on the player. I think its about swinging for the fences. RJ is not going to be a star. So you need to get as much draft capital as possible to get back up to the plate. That's what I meant by the MCW comparison

yeah RJ would easily be #1 in this draft. people seem to forget how good a season he had at Duke b/c Zion

imo he still has star potential, b/c not many wings have ability to run the offense, and if he improves his shot, he becomes a dangerous scorer w/ his ability to get to the rim

I find it incredible that people base arguments around the notion that some player might suddenly become a dangerous shooter or a good scorer. He might as well remain a bad shooter and a mediocre scorer. The same goes for Lamelo Ball.

[NoDopeOnSundays]

I'm not sure how you can say RJ won't be a star, it's entirely too early to say he wont be. His shooting splits are almost identical to Brandon Ingram's rookie numbers, another Duke wing who people gave up on too early. I expect a similar type of growth from RJ in his second season as Brandon had, and by his 3rd season I'd expect the breakout/jump to happen for him that took Ingram until his 4th season. There is no comparison to RJ and MCW, you initially asked why people felt why RJ would go first in this draft and I outlined why he'd be the consensus 1 in this draft. Trading RJ for LaMelo or Edwards would be a step back, neither are on his level as a prospect.

Jaylen's rookie year was worse than RJ's, and he was a year older, you would have been saying we should trade Jaylen if we had him during his rookie year. RJ is a talented player, he just needs to work on his skills and build on them, not sure why you're so quick to give up on him when he had some flashes of what he can become.

Weren't people saying a couple years ago that Jaylen was a bad pick? Same with Ingram. I'm sure there is long list of top 5 picks who took a couple years. Ball and Edwards are no lock.

I could be wrong but wasnt Jaylen an athletic freak and BI is 6'10 with a 7'3" wingspan. I am confident RJ will not be a star because he lacks the athleticism most analysts agree. I would love to keep RJ but not at the expense of getting more draft picks to potentially get a star. I think his trade value is at his highest because the league knows how much we value him.

No, Brown isn't an athletic freak, he's a good athlete though and Brandon Ingram is 6'7" just like RJ. If you need a reference point, there's pictures of both of them standing next to Zion. You're confident he wont be a star because he lacks athleticism? What? He's a good athlete for his position with good length, you're just throwing things on a wall now and hoping they stick. Your point that he wont be a star because he's not athletic is even more funnier when you consider he's a better athlete than Ingram.

And what draft picks? You don't give up RJ for any of the players in this draft, there isn't a single big wing with his profile in this draft.

[-YogiBiz-]

Weren't people saying a couple years ago that Jaylen was a bad pick? Same with Ingram. I'm sure there is long list of top 5 picks who took a couple years. Ball and Edwards are no lock.

I could be wrong but wasnt Jaylen an athletic freak and BI is 6'10 with a 7'3" wingspan. I am confident RJ will not be a star because he lacks the athleticism most analysts agree. I would love to keep RJ but not at the expense of getting more draft picks to potentially get a star. I think his trade value is at his highest because the league knows how much we value him.

No, Brown isn't an athletic freak, he's a good athlete though and Brandon Ingram is 6'7" just like RJ. If you need a reference point, there's pictures of both of them standing next to Zion. You're confident he wont be a star because he lacks athleticism? What? He's a good athlete for his position with good length, you're just throwing things on a wall now and hoping they stick. Your point that he wont be a star because he's not athletic is even more funnier when you consider he's a better athlete than Ingram.

And what draft picks? You don't give up RJ for any of the players in this draft, there isn't a single big wing with his profile in this draft.

To piggyback off NoDope, RJ was actually better than Ingram was as a rookie. RJ shot better from 3 as a rookie on more attempts/game. He also got to the line more, and he was a better rebounder and passer as a rookie.

[-YogiBiz-]

If we are going after stop-gap options at the point, wouldn't it make more sense to sign Dragic to a 1+1, than say trading for Paul/Conely?