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2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2

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Who do you want?

Ball
27
16%
Wiseman
29
18%
Deni
41
25%
Hayes
31
19%
Obi
4
2%
Vassell
14
9%
Okoro
4
2%
Haliburton
7
4%
Onyeka
3
2%
Other
4
2%
 
Total votes: 164

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#181 » by Chi town » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:18 am

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Jvaughn wrote:Lamelo's form definitely needs to be changed. His release point and his balance are the biggest issues. I really think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that he becomes a great shooter, but I'd be highly surprised if he wasn't able to become at least passable.

Am I in bizarro world or something? Why am I the only one who seems to notice how unfathomably bad this is?

Just look at this. Look. At. This.



It isn't actually even a shooting form. He is literally passing the ball at the basket.


I consider it so obviously awful that it’s not even worth discussing. I’m not a Melo fan at all and wouldn’t draft him.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#182 » by MrFortune3 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:45 am

Chi town wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:Lamelo's form definitely needs to be changed. His release point and his balance are the biggest issues. I really think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that he becomes a great shooter, but I'd be highly surprised if he wasn't able to become at least passable.

Am I in bizarro world or something? Why am I the only one who seems to notice how unfathomably bad this is?

Just look at this. Look. At. This.



It isn't actually even a shooting form. He is literally passing the ball at the basket.


I consider it so obviously awful that it’s not even worth discussing. I’m not a Melo fan at all and wouldn’t draft him.


All of the Ball siblings have had awful shooting forms. You have to know how to reach them and fix their mechanics going in before you draft them. Without a plan to improve them, it's not going to work.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#183 » by MrFortune3 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:49 am

weneeda2guard wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-obi-toppin-goes-to-warriors-at-no-2-ahead-of-lamelo-ball-to-hornets/amp/

Update mock has obi toppin to the warriors 2nd.

Has us taking okongwu. Ball to the hornets. Deni to Cleveland

Hard to see things playout like this


I can't see us passing on Deni and Wiseman for Okongwu.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#184 » by PlayerUp » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:55 am

MrFortune3 wrote:
weneeda2guard wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-obi-toppin-goes-to-warriors-at-no-2-ahead-of-lamelo-ball-to-hornets/amp/

Update mock has obi toppin to the warriors 2nd.

Has us taking okongwu. Ball to the hornets. Deni to Cleveland

Hard to see things playout like this


I can't see us passing on Deni and Wiseman for Okongwu.


Okongwu is similar in many ways to Wendell. I can't see us abandoning Wendell right now. I like Okongwu and wouldn't be upset if we took him at #4 but position wise we don't need him and I don't see him being the BPA at #4 either.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#185 » by PlayerUp » Fri Sep 11, 2020 4:59 am

Chi town wrote:
Leslie Forman wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:Lamelo's form definitely needs to be changed. His release point and his balance are the biggest issues. I really think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that he becomes a great shooter, but I'd be highly surprised if he wasn't able to become at least passable.

Am I in bizarro world or something? Why am I the only one who seems to notice how unfathomably bad this is?

Just look at this. Look. At. This.



It isn't actually even a shooting form. He is literally passing the ball at the basket.


I consider it so obviously awful that it’s not even worth discussing. I’m not a Melo fan at all and wouldn’t draft him.


Lonzo Ball shot 37.5% from 3 this season. He has consistently improved his shot every season since entering the NBA. LaMelo shot can be fixed but it will take time. Shooting is the one skill that can be improved at the next level if you put in the work and have a high enough IQ to adjust.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#186 » by GimmeDat » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:03 am

Hali's form is pretty ugly too but the man is knock down. Ball has tweaks to make in his shot but I don't see it fundamentally broken. Just needs to make it consistent.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#187 » by PlayerUp » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:04 am

People need to stop nitpicking little things that can be fixed in all these prospects. Every prospect in this draft is majorly flawed. That's why this draft is considered poor as there is no for sure thing in this draft. Every prospect has potential to underperform at the next level. This draft is about picking the best prospect that we think we can fix and will improve at the next level.

That's why drafting a player with a high bball IQ, hard worker, and a high motor is a must in this draft. In addition predraft workouts are important so we can see what progress these prospects have made over the last 6+ months. I would not even consider any of these prospects if they have made very little improvements since Q1 2020.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#188 » by AdonalFoyle4Prez » Fri Sep 11, 2020 5:46 am

Hey guys, do you guys think this is fair?

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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#189 » by Chicago-Bull-E » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:19 am

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Hey guys, do you guys think this is fair?

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No, Wiggins and 2 is close to neutral value. Lavine and 4 is positive value by quite a bit.

Bulls aren’t going to pay 100+ million dollars for a role player wing and the two pick while losing their best player and the 4 pick.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#190 » by BullsFTW » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:23 am

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Hey guys, do you guys think this is fair?

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I wouldn’t mind that trade. It gives the Bulls an athletic wing. They can also draft Edwards, Hayes, or Ball with the #2 Pick.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#191 » by Bulls Fan 23 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 6:55 am

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Hey guys, do you guys think this is fair?

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Replace Zach with Felicio and then maybe.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#192 » by MrFortune3 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:03 am

PlayerUp wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
weneeda2guard wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-obi-toppin-goes-to-warriors-at-no-2-ahead-of-lamelo-ball-to-hornets/amp/

Update mock has obi toppin to the warriors 2nd.

Has us taking okongwu. Ball to the hornets. Deni to Cleveland

Hard to see things playout like this


I can't see us passing on Deni and Wiseman for Okongwu.


Okongwu is similar in many ways to Wendell. I can't see us abandoning Wendell right now. I like Okongwu and wouldn't be upset if we took him at #4 but position wise we don't need him and I don't see him being the BPA at #4 either.


That's my thought process as well with Okongwu. Too similar to what we already have and it would be a cluster at a position that wouldn't have much of a chance to play all 3 of him, WCJ and Lauri.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#193 » by tunit213 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 7:17 am

wonderboy2 wrote:I’m done with point guards that can’t score, hesitant to make plays, or pass and go to the corner and have other players do the work. Give me a pg that can dictate the game and get buckets. Most of all the teams left or made it far had pgs that can get buckets when needed.


I don’t think you have seen LaMelo play. He is far from hesitant. If anything he is too reckless.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#194 » by Southpaw » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:20 am

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Hey guys, do you guys think this is fair?

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I won't give up LaVine to move up two spots in this draft, plus taking on Wiggins' contract too. Adding the Wolves pick would make it more desirable for me but GSW probably passes on that.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#195 » by stepic » Fri Sep 11, 2020 9:39 am

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AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Hey guys, do you guys think this is fair?

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I wouldn’t mind that trade. It gives the Bulls an athletic wing. They can also draft Edwards, Hayes, or Ball with the #2 Pick.


one of Edwards, Hayes or Ball will almost certainly be available at #4 anyway.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#196 » by MGB8 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:21 pm

Leslie Forman wrote:
Jvaughn wrote:Lamelo's form definitely needs to be changed. His release point and his balance are the biggest issues. I really think you're making a bigger deal out of it than it is. I'm not saying it's a guarantee that he becomes a great shooter, but I'd be highly surprised if he wasn't able to become at least passable.

Am I in bizarro world or something? Why am I the only one who seems to notice how unfathomably bad this is?

Just look at this. Look. At. This.



It isn't actually even a shooting form. He is literally passing the ball at the basket.


Lol. Kind of, actually.

But let me give you the flip side. Yes his feet are awful - all over the place, no consistency, no placement to get power from his core. Yes, he brings the ball up from way too low, and even that is inconsistent.

But he's strong enough that even with those huge issues he still has range and there doesn't seem to be a physical mobility issue in his core, shoulders, or wrists. Combine that with the fact that *that* is how he shoots, and yet he has some success with it, and that suggests an elite level of hand-eye coordination.

So even though, given his upbringing, it makes zero sense why he hasn't had a private shooting coach working with him for the last two years, you've got to believe that whatever NBA team drafts him will get him one and drill him, over and over and over, to achieve at least consistent, passable mechanics....

Now, I know that there are some folks who, no matter how much shot training you put them through, they'll slide back to what they were comfortable with as kids in the heat of a game. But that's usually a minority of folks, and more common the older you start training the player's mechanics. LaMelo is young. And he has talent. The question is how long it would take to actually get him to have proper shot-mechanic muscle memory. For a guy with his footspeed, handle and vision... it's a risk, but the upside is tremendous.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#197 » by holv03 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:22 pm

I am not ready to part ways with Zach Lavine. I feel that next season will be his best year. He has superstar potential in my opinion and I wouldn't want to see him display that in Golden State. I like Wiggins but dislike his contract. I rather stay put and build around what we have. Hopefully we could add a few veterans during free agency.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#198 » by MGB8 » Fri Sep 11, 2020 1:31 pm

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Hey guys, do you guys think this is fair?

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No.

Wiggins and his 31M per year for the next 3 years shot worse from any sort of range than guys like Damion Lee for the Warriors. He's athletic, but he's a career 33% 3 point shooter in a league that's all about the 3. He's a net negative value that needs to be packaged with something to be moved with his contract; with a flat cap (likely for a while), I can't even see a team who thinks he still has upside viewing him as anything close to even a net neutral player.

So... No. A million times no.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#199 » by TheSuzerain » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:04 pm

PlayerUp wrote:
MrFortune3 wrote:
weneeda2guard wrote:https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.cbssports.com/nba/news/2020-nba-mock-draft-obi-toppin-goes-to-warriors-at-no-2-ahead-of-lamelo-ball-to-hornets/amp/

Update mock has obi toppin to the warriors 2nd.

Has us taking okongwu. Ball to the hornets. Deni to Cleveland

Hard to see things playout like this


I can't see us passing on Deni and Wiseman for Okongwu.


Okongwu is similar in many ways to Wendell. I can't see us abandoning Wendell right now. I like Okongwu and wouldn't be upset if we took him at #4 but position wise we don't need him and I don't see him being the BPA at #4 either.

He's on another tier athletically to Wendell. Okongwu also has actual hope of playing the 4.
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Re: 2020 NBA Draft Thread: Bulls pick 4th: PT 2 

Post#200 » by Jvaughn » Fri Sep 11, 2020 2:05 pm

AdonalFoyle4Prez wrote:Hey guys, do you guys think this is fair?

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Wiggins and his contract are negative value. And the #2 in a weaker draft doesn't much offset that. And IMO Zach is a much better player than Wiggins at this point, so I see that as pushing even further in that direction. Honestly would only take Wiggins if it was a full salary dump with assets attached. Wouldn't trade back anything of value for him.
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