Trade Talk (Part Four)

[Nazrmohamed]

I am going to run with the theme of Wolves/Rosas being strategic with his trade(s), having a positive byproduct that makes other Western conference teams weaker — teams that are close to competing with Wolves for that 8th playoff spot.

Wolves Trade #1::
Spurs Give: Murray + Lyles
Spurs Get: Culver + J. Johnson + #17
Spurs Reasoning: might symbol rebuild, send DD or LMA East and Rosas really wins.

Wolves Trade #2::
Suns Give: Bridges + C. Johnson + #10
Suns Get: Spellman + Vanderbilt + #1
Suns Reasoning: move up in draft for GOF, who will sit and learn a lot with Rubio starting and Rosas really wins.

Wolves Lineup::
C: Towns | Reid
F: Hernangomez or C. Johnson or Lyles
F: Bridges | Layman
G: Russell | Beasley (6th man) | Okogie (some SF?)
G: Murray | Russell | McJordan
Plus #10 and #33.

Thunder Tank::
Bucks Give: Bledsoe* + DDV + Ersan + G. Hill + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala
Bucks Reasoning: all-in to make Giannis happy with wins.

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala
Thunder Get: Bledsoe* + DDV + Ersan + G. Hill + #24
Thunder Reasoning: go into rebuild around SGA and DDV.
*Bledsoe shopped to 3rd team.

Pelicans Holiday in New York::
Knicks Give: Randle + Barrett + #8 + #27
Knicks Get: Holiday + Hart + #13
Knicks Reasoning: Thibs gets his defensive vet at cost of guy he didn’t draft.

Pelicans Give: Holiday + Hart + #13
Pelicans Get: Randle + Barrett + #8 + #27
Pelicans Reasoning: Randle starts at center and Zion insurance at PF. Getting Zion’s college teammate can’t be bad.

Warriors Blockbuster::
Grizzlies Give: Clarke + Winslow + Dieng
Grizzlies Get: Wiggins + Looney + #2 + 2022 Warriors 1st (unprotected) + 2024 Warriors 1st (now unprotected)
Grizzlies Reasoning: one more high draft pick to add guard next to Morant and JJJ.

Jazz Give: Gobert
Jazz Get: Clarke + Dieng + 2021 Wolves 1st
Jazz Reasoning: get good value for expiring Gobert.

Warriors Give: Wiggins + Looney + #2 + 2021 Wolves 1st + 2022 1st (unprotected) + 2024 1st (reduced protections)
Warriors Get: Gobert + Winslow
Warriors Reasoning: all-in on defensive center and Winslow as 3D SF/PF.

2020/2021 West Playoff Race::
Lakers
Clippers
Warriors
Rockets
Nuggets
Mavericks
Blazers
Wolves

Jazz (traded Gobert to become Mitchell’s team)
Spurs (could fully dismantle by trade deadline)
Suns (trade should slow them down)
Pelicans (traded Holiday East, Zion healthy?)

Grizzlies (Wiggins on board)
Kings (should be tanking)
Thunder (now tanking)

Not bad but as a knick fan its hard to do that Pelicans trade to watch Jrue come here and have absolutely nothing to work with. It's not bad but I rather keep it smaller. Something like Randle and pick 8 for Jrue and thats it.

But I originally came here to see what the Wolves fans would give up for Randle and maybe the 27th pick. Would you consider James Johnson and Jared Culver? Same with the Pelicans it gives you a starting C who could play next to KAT and still leaves your 1st pick untouched and now you've picked up 27 as well. I think Randles flaws are partly a result of being the best player on a bad team and that he plays better with better players touching it first, not to mention hes really more of a stretch 5 than a point forward.

I can’t imagine that Randle has more than neutral value at this point. I could see a team trading an expiring and a late second rounder. We need someone who maximizes KAT more than we need KAT to maximize a player the caliber of Randle. He doesn’t shoot or defend and about the only good thing from the Randle and KAT pairing is the space it gives Randle to drive.

I hear you. My problem was that I didn't realize that the TWolves utilized KAT as a stretch 5 already. I thought he was at PF. I won't waste your time with the rest but I had Randle penciled in as a potential C/PF target.

[Wolveswin]

Like I said, nothing is set in stone...these are frameworks of deals being discussed with offers and counter offers.
The two guys have been giving us info over the years - the latest: he told us about the Hawks interest in Capela before any runors surfaced and that involved Denver as well (he didn't give the names, but I guessed Beasley and hoped he would be coming to Atlanta too) just wasn't privy to all the details and the exact framework of the deal. He mentioned CP3 asking for a trade to the Bucks before Donovan was let go. Knicks and Philly are interested but he wants to team up with Giannis.

I think Paul to Bucks makes a lot of sense. They should have a little bit of desperation and overpay in their blood.

I like these options...

Bucks and Thunder straight up:
Paul + Muscala for DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24

Depends on how negative Bledsoe is in trade value. OKC might not like thought of rerouting and dumping him. So enter the Warriors...

Warriors Give: Iggy TPE
Warriors Get: Bledsoe (via Iggy TPE) + #24

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala
Thunder Get: DDV + Hill + Ersan

Bucks Give: DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala

Or if Warriors want to use Bledsoe value to offset Wiggins value, and Presti is drooling over #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st...

Warriors Give: Wiggins + Iggy TPE + #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st
Warriors Get: Adams or Schroder (both expiring) + Bledsoe (via Iggy TPE) + #24

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala + Adams or Schroder
Thunder Get: Wiggins + DDV + Hill + Ersan (could also go to Warriors) + #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st

Bucks Give: DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala

Warriors could move Wiggins while getting expiring filler to make subsequent win-now trade with their draft capital remaining.

If Bucks can get Paul for free like you're suggesting it might be worth the risk. If they have to give up anything or anybody legit it's not IMO. Paul could easily wash out this very coming season. He's outlived his NBA life expectancy already in my estimation.

I wouldn’t say that is for free, being DDV is Bucks best prospect and a 1st. I guess — as suggested — really depends on how negative Bledsoe value is around the league.

[KGdaBom]

I think Paul to Bucks makes a lot of sense. They should have a little bit of desperation and overpay in their blood.

I like these options...

Bucks and Thunder straight up:
Paul + Muscala for DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24

Depends on how negative Bledsoe is in trade value. OKC might not like thought of rerouting and dumping him. So enter the Warriors...

Warriors Give: Iggy TPE
Warriors Get: Bledsoe (via Iggy TPE) + #24

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala
Thunder Get: DDV + Hill + Ersan

Bucks Give: DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala

Or if Warriors want to use Bledsoe value to offset Wiggins value, and Presti is drooling over #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st...

Warriors Give: Wiggins + Iggy TPE + #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st
Warriors Get: Adams or Schroder (both expiring) + Bledsoe (via Iggy TPE) + #24

Thunder Give: Paul + Muscala + Adams or Schroder
Thunder Get: Wiggins + DDV + Hill + Ersan (could also go to Warriors) + #2 or 2021 Wolves 1st

Bucks Give: DDV + Bledsoe + Hill + Ersan + #24
Bucks Get: Paul + Muscala

Warriors could move Wiggins while getting expiring filler to make subsequent win-now trade with their draft capital remaining.

If Bucks can get Paul for free like you're suggesting it might be worth the risk. If they have to give up anything or anybody legit it's not IMO. Paul could easily wash out this very coming season. He's outlived his NBA life expectancy already in my estimation.

I wouldn’t say that is for free, being DDV is Bucks best prospect and a 1st. I guess — as suggested — really depends on how negative Bledsoe value is around the league.

Has DDV even been a starter? To me that is more or less free.

[TheProdigy]

If Bucks can get Paul for free like you're suggesting it might be worth the risk. If they have to give up anything or anybody legit it's not IMO. Paul could easily wash out this very coming season. He's outlived his NBA life expectancy already in my estimation.

I wouldn’t say that is for free, being DDV is Bucks best prospect and a 1st. I guess — as suggested — really depends on how negative Bledsoe value is around the league.

Has DDV even been a starter? To me that is more or less free.

I can assure you DDV has positive value. He was the #8 ranked shooting guard in the league this year according to RPM. He's a sneaky good athlete and has great instincts on defense.

[Wolveswin]

If Bucks can get Paul for free like you're suggesting it might be worth the risk. If they have to give up anything or anybody legit it's not IMO. Paul could easily wash out this very coming season. He's outlived his NBA life expectancy already in my estimation.

I wouldn’t say that is for free, being DDV is Bucks best prospect and a 1st. I guess — as suggested — really depends on how negative Bledsoe value is around the league.

Has DDV even been a starter? To me that is more or less free.

DDV started 24 games for Bucks this season (his sophomore season). You would be surprised (as it seems) his value as a prospect.

[KGdaBom]

I wouldn’t say that is for free, being DDV is Bucks best prospect and a 1st. I guess — as suggested — really depends on how negative Bledsoe value is around the league.

Has DDV even been a starter? To me that is more or less free.

DDV started 24 games for Bucks this season (his sophomore season). You would be surprised (as it seems) his value as a prospect.

Some value certainly. When I say more or less for free CP3 is a superstar. If the Bucks can get him without giving up a star I consider that more or less for free.

[TheProdigy]

Has DDV even been a starter? To me that is more or less free.

DDV started 24 games for Bucks this season (his sophomore season). You would be surprised (as it seems) his value as a prospect.

Some value certainly. When I say more or less for free CP3 is a superstar. If the Bucks can get him without giving up a star I consider that more or less for free.

You have to put it into context though - CP3 is 36 years old and father time has to kick in soon. Plus he has a $40M per year contract so that needs to be weighed in. OKC will be lucky if they can get expirings and a pick or prospect for him.

[KGdaBom]

DDV started 24 games for Bucks this season (his sophomore season). You would be surprised (as it seems) his value as a prospect.

Some value certainly. When I say more or less for free CP3 is a superstar. If the Bucks can get him without giving up a star I consider that more or less for free.

You have to put it into context though - CP3 is 36 years old and father time has to kick in soon. Plus he has a $40M per year contract so that needs to be weighed in. OKC will be lucky if they can get expirings and a pick or prospect for him.

Yep there is that context, but if he has one good year left and he gets the Bucks a title it will be worth it. He played surprisingly well this year.

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[Klomp]

I've said it before, I want to target undervalued guys from good teams. Worked for us this year with the former Nuggets and even with grabbing Layman.

[KGdaBom]

I've said it before, I want to target undervalued guys from good teams. Worked for us this year with the former Nuggets and even with grabbing Layman.

We are in agreement. Rosas did a good job identifying those guys. Now if he can find us a good head coach and make the right draft choice this year, or come up with an excellent trade of the #1 pick we will be in business.

[KGdaBom]

A couple of weeks ago somebody mentioned Larry Nance Jr in a trade down from 1-5 with Cleveland. We heard a rumor that the Wolves would accept Deandre Hunter in a trade down from 1-6. IMO Nance is easily a better player than Hunter and IMO picking 5th instead of 6th could make all the difference in the world. I ran that idea by the Cleveland Board and got one guy who really liked Nance, but still thought they would have to accept that offer.

Right now put a gun to my head and I have to choose yes or no on #1 for Nance and #5 I think I would say do it, unless I could pick pick Wiseman. Than I say don't do it. Go Wolves. Pick Wiseman.

[Baseline81]

A couple of weeks ago somebody mentioned Larry Nance Jr in a trade down from 1-5 with Cleveland. We heard a rumor that the Wolves would accept Deandre Hunter in a trade down from 1-6. IMO Nance is easily a better player than Hunter and IMO picking 5th instead of 6th could make all the difference in the world. I ran that idea by the Cleveland Board and got one guy who really liked Nance, but still thought they would have to accept that offer.

Right now put a gun to my head and I have to choose yes or no on #1 for Nance and #5 I think I would say do it, unless I could pick pick Wiseman. Than I say don't do it. Go Wolves. Pick Wiseman.

If I recall, I think the majority of the board disagreed with your thoughts on Nance being the "perfect" big next to Towns.

[KGdaBom]

A couple of weeks ago somebody mentioned Larry Nance Jr in a trade down from 1-5 with Cleveland. We heard a rumor that the Wolves would accept Deandre Hunter in a trade down from 1-6. IMO Nance is easily a better player than Hunter and IMO picking 5th instead of 6th could make all the difference in the world. I ran that idea by the Cleveland Board and got one guy who really liked Nance, but still thought they would have to accept that offer.

Right now put a gun to my head and I have to choose yes or no on #1 for Nance and #5 I think I would say do it, unless I could pick pick Wiseman. Than I say don't do it. Go Wolves. Pick Wiseman.

If I recall, I think the majority of the board disagreed with your thoughts on Nance being the "perfect" big next to Towns.

I think you and Neeva. So it was 2 votes against one vote for, but my vote counts extra. Perfect of course is the wrong word. Not even LeBron would be perfect, but Nance is a much better player than Hunter so if we're willing to accept him to move down to 6 it should be that much better to accept Nance to move down to 5. Here take a look at his stats. He's about as close to the perfect big to play next to KAT that you will ever find.
https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/nancela02.html

Here's Hunters Stats if you want to compare them https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/huntede01.html

If Nance and 5 isn't good enough for you no trade we could get will be. I kind of agree with you. I would just keep the pick and Draft Wiseman.

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[Norseman79]

Hey folks, been awhile. Hope everyone has been safe and well. So, after watching the playoffs a bit, i have been thinking of a trade, that is probably a massive overpay, but maybe not. Darius Bazley was a guy I wanted last year, and watching the playoffs, would welcome him now.

Since most of this is just throwing crap on the wall, here you go.

OKC in: #4 overall, James Johnson, Josh Richardson, Wendell Carter, Mike Scott
Out: #25, Darius Bazley, Chris Paul, Terrence Ferguson, lotto protected 1rst

Chi in: #1, Tobias Harris, Ferguson, Evans, Spellman
Out: #4, Lavine, Markanen, top 5 protected pick

Phili in: Chris Paul, Zach Lavine
Out: Harris, Richardson, Scott, top 3 protected 1rst

Min in: Markanen, Bazley, #25, 2021 lotto protected 1, top 5 protected 1, top 3 protected 1

I am just going to focus on Wolves in this. We essentially turn the 1rst pick into a starting SF and PF, a first in the 20's and potentially 3 1rsts next year in a very deep and talented draft (trade ammo for Booker). Without signing any free agents or picks added..

Russell,
Culver, Okoge
Bazley, Layman
Markanen, Hernangomez
Towns, Reid

We still have the 18 and 25 to use as trade bait or to add to roster and money for free agents like Beasley.

Rip away Rubes, rip away

[Klomp]

Would you trade No. 1 (Ball) and Johnson for Jrue Holiday? (trade would be 30 days after Ball signs contract to use salary for matching purposes)

I think it'd be risky, but I think it's a risk I think I might be willing to take. Would be nice to nab Nickeil Alexander-Walker while we're at it.

[Rookie-Mistake]

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[KGdaBom]

Would you trade No. 1 (Ball) and Johnson for Jrue Holiday? (trade would be 30 days after Ball signs contract to use salary for matching purposes)

I think it'd be risky, but I think it's a risk I think I might be willing to take. Would be nice to nab Nickeil Alexander-Walker while we're at it.

Not for a one year rental. I also wouldn't be drafting Ball. If I had assurances of resigning Holiday yeah I would do that. I think he has 5 good years left.

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[Baseline81]

Would you trade No. 1 (Ball) and Johnson for Jrue Holiday? (trade would be 30 days after Ball signs contract to use salary for matching purposes)

I think it'd be risky, but I think it's a risk I think I might be willing to take. Would be nice to nab Nickeil Alexander-Walker while we're at it.

Because he turned 30 in June, he doesn't appear to fit Rosas' timeline for Russell and Towns.

[UnFadeable21]

I’d do #17, Johnson, and S&T Juancho for Aaron Gordon.

Draft Lamelo Ball at 1. Make him the primary passer and guard SG’s at 6’7. Make a DLo primary scorer with KAT.

DLo 6’5
Lamelo 6’7
Layman 6’8
Gordon 6’9
Towns 7 ft

That line up gives you speed to play fast, size to guard, and enough offense and defense.

Bring back Beasley 4 years 50 million as our 6th man in the Eric Gordon/Lou Williams instant offense and spark plug on the second unit.

Wolves make the playoffs for sure and continue to build.

[Rookie-Mistake]

I’d do #17, Johnson, and S&T Juancho for Aaron Gordon.

Draft Lamelo Ball at 1. Make him the primary passer and guard SG’s at 6’7. Make a DLo primary scorer with KAT.

DLo 6’5
Lamelo 6’7
Layman 6’8
Gordon 6’9
Towns 7 ft

That line up gives you speed to play fast, size to guard, and enough offense and defense.

Bring back Beasley 4 years 50 million as our 6th man in the Eric Gordon/Lou Williams instant offense and spark plug on the second unit.

Wolves make the playoffs for sure and continue to build.

Do you like Gordon?