Raps 2020 Picks (Prospect Watch, Update: Vecenie Mock Released)

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[Mark_83]

I know I’ve said this before but I’d rather give Paul Watson a shot on the wing and draft a gaurd with creation upside, then draft a forward/big who doesn’t do much offensively.

Especially after a series like this just exacerbates the lack of creation on this team.

Is there anyone in round 2 that fits that description other than Riller? Keep in mind that Nurse seems reluctant to play guys that aren't at least above average on defense.

[Indeed]

I know I’ve said this before but I’d rather give Paul Watson a shot on the wing and draft a gaurd with creation upside, then draft a forward/big who doesn’t do much offensively.

Especially after a series like this just exacerbates the lack of creation on this team.

I also prefer to give Paul Watson a shot, but he will be playing guard, and we will need another forward.
I see your point that the bigs on this draft has a lot of flaws and disappointing, but I think we have enough guards. Watson (6'11 wingspan?) would be the size of Brown (7' wingspan), I think he will excel playing at SG, while we look for a bigger SF.

I mean during small ball playoffs, our SF with Powell is under-size / under-length (Watson is just slightly bigger).

I think next year may have someone similar to Robert Williams (6'9 with 7'5 wingspan and 40 vertical, good for modern rim protector), but this year draft is lacking. Meanwhile, I would stock up SF on this draft, as I see a lot of value in the size of RHJ (or maybe longer for shot contesting).

[HeadtopChunes]

I know I’ve said this before but I’d rather give Paul Watson a shot on the wing and draft a gaurd with creation upside, then draft a forward/big who doesn’t do much offensively.

Especially after a series like this just exacerbates the lack of creation on this team.

Is there anyone in round 2 that fits that description other than Riller? Keep in mind that Nurse seems reluctant to play guys that aren't at least above average on defense.

I think Riller will be gone by then feel like he will rise, looking at consensus board here.

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Guys I see with maybe any chance of being able to create in a playoff environment
Mason Jones, Reggie Perry, Jay Scrubb, Lamine Diane, Josh Hall, Elleby

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The difference between Woodard and OG are the quickness. OG has elite first step. Woodard may have trouble guarding elite PG, while OG may able to recover with his quickness.

As for Nwora, his defense would be a concern. He can be used as off the bench scorer if we based on the current minutes of player. It depends how we are going to build our team. Celtics built based on 3+D, they prefer players who can defend over scoring. Heat built based on offense, they prefer players who can shoot the ball.

I'm not sure about that. Woodard is pretty quick and athletic. What separates him more from OG at present is probably instincts.

I wouldn't want him guarding elite 1s over a long stretch but he's quick enough to stay in front of elite 2s and strong enough to bang with most modern day 4s in the post.

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The only downside is, he's more of a wing than a 2 on offense. Unless one of them improves their handles we can't possibly play both OG and RW on the floor at the same time at the 2 and 3. He does have an underrated post game though that I think we could exploit against most 2s in the league.

the other thing is he’s not very good rotationally, at least from the games I caught. He’s one of the better on ball defenders in this class but if you ask him to make reads on either end it’s not gonna work well.

Think he’s more Norm than OG in that sense.

I didn't watch his game yet, it is good to know about his rotation.
I think he has some good defensive awareness, so maybe he can improve on rotation and better than Powell. It is the first step where Powell and OG would be better than him (offensive end). I suppose he will probably have a hard time getting through screens if he is playing on the wing.

[HeadtopChunes]

I know I’ve said this before but I’d rather give Paul Watson a shot on the wing and draft a gaurd with creation upside, then draft a forward/big who doesn’t do much offensively.

Especially after a series like this just exacerbates the lack of creation on this team.

I also prefer to give Paul Watson a shot, but he will be playing guard, and we will need another forward.
I see your point that the bigs on this draft has a lot of flaws and disappointing, but I think we have enough guards. Watson (6'11 wingspan?) would be the size of Brown (7' wingspan), I think he will excel playing at SG, while we look for a bigger SF.

I mean during small ball playoffs, our SF with Powell is under-size / under-length (Watson is just slightly bigger).

I think next year may have someone similar to Robert Williams (6'9 with 7'5 wingspan and 40 vertical, good for modern rim protector), but this year draft is lacking. Meanwhile, I would stock up SF on this draft, as I see a lot of value in the size of RHJ (or maybe longer for shot contesting).

See I don’t agree that we have enough gaurds, or i guess if I change the terminology to ballhandlers it’s easier to get across what I’m saying.

This series we only have 2 playable ballhandlers (Fred and Lowry), of those 2

-Fred isn’t really a primary due to not really being able to create or finish at a high enough level (also a free agent)

-Lowry is amazing but a free agent in one year and also turns 35 next season.

Besides that we have McCaw who’s not good, Davis who could be pretty good but also not a natural point.

This a draft deep with ball handlers and we could get a really good one.

I agree we could use, a reliable bench forward I just don’t think that’s more valuable than someone who can create. Especially on this team.

[Dalek]

I know I’ve said this before but I’d rather give Paul Watson a shot on the wing and draft a gaurd with creation upside, then draft a forward/big who doesn’t do much offensively.

Especially after a series like this just exacerbates the lack of creation on this team.

Is there anyone in round 2 that fits that description other than Riller? Keep in mind that Nurse seems reluctant to play guys that aren't at least above average on defense.

I think Riller will be gone by then feel like he will rise, looking at consensus board here.

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Guys I see with maybe any chance of being able to create in a playoff environment
Mason Jones, Reggie Perry, Jay Scrubb, Lamine Diane, Josh Hall, Elleby

I think for isolation scoring I would strongly consider Devon Dotson. I would argue that outside of maybe Kira Lewis he is the fastest player with the ball who can get to the rim without the help of a ballscreen. He can also finish in traffic and isn't afraid of contact because he is already strong. He doesn't have a consistent jumper so he is going to have to deal with people going undr on screens for him.

The opposite of using speed to score in isolation is Skylar Mays. He is just like a Lowry who is more strength and craft in finishing but he can work both on ball and off ball. He has more of dribble pull-up game and just is a skilled slasher.

Lastly, my favorite scorer is Elijah Hughes. He is a lot like Terrence Ross with his crossover dribble to a pull-up jumper. The bonus is that he can can pass off the dribble too and can basically play a defacto PG. His numbers are out of whack because of his extreme usage in Syracuse, but I think he is as good a scorer as any.

[Mark_83]

The difference between Woodard and OG are the quickness. OG has elite first step. Woodard may have trouble guarding elite PG, while OG may able to recover with his quickness.

As for Nwora, his defense would be a concern. He can be used as off the bench scorer if we based on the current minutes of player. It depends how we are going to build our team. Celtics built based on 3+D, they prefer players who can defend over scoring. Heat built based on offense, they prefer players who can shoot the ball.

I'm not sure about that. Woodard is pretty quick and athletic. What separates him more from OG at present is probably instincts.

I wouldn't want him guarding elite 1s over a long stretch but he's quick enough to stay in front of elite 2s and strong enough to bang with most modern day 4s in the post.

Watch on YouTube

The only downside is, he's more of a wing than a 2 on offense. Unless one of them improves their handles we can't possibly play both OG and RW on the floor at the same time at the 2 and 3. He does have an underrated post game though that I think we could exploit against most 2s in the league.

the other thing is he’s not very good rotationally, at least from the games I caught. He’s one of the better on ball defenders in this class but if you ask him to make reads on either end it’s not gonna work well.

Think he’s more Norm than OG in that sense.

Yeah, I have heard that and noticed it some. I think that's what I meant about his instincts in comparison to OG needing work. Norm might be a good comp in that regard, you're right. A Norm on defense with better measurements wouldn't be too bad though.

[Mark_83]

I know I’ve said this before but I’d rather give Paul Watson a shot on the wing and draft a gaurd with creation upside, then draft a forward/big who doesn’t do much offensively.

Especially after a series like this just exacerbates the lack of creation on this team.

Is there anyone in round 2 that fits that description other than Riller? Keep in mind that Nurse seems reluctant to play guys that aren't at least above average on defense.

I think Riller will be gone by then feel like he will rise, looking at consensus board here.

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Guys I see with maybe any chance of being able to create in a playoff environment
Mason Jones, Reggie Perry, Jay Scrubb, Lamine Diane, Josh Hall, Elleby

That's probably the guy from what I've seen, if we're talking about scorers. Not sure how his defense is, but he has a well-rounded offensive game.

[Indeed]

I know I’ve said this before but I’d rather give Paul Watson a shot on the wing and draft a gaurd with creation upside, then draft a forward/big who doesn’t do much offensively.

Especially after a series like this just exacerbates the lack of creation on this team.

I also prefer to give Paul Watson a shot, but he will be playing guard, and we will need another forward.
I see your point that the bigs on this draft has a lot of flaws and disappointing, but I think we have enough guards. Watson (6'11 wingspan?) would be the size of Brown (7' wingspan), I think he will excel playing at SG, while we look for a bigger SF.

I mean during small ball playoffs, our SF with Powell is under-size / under-length (Watson is just slightly bigger).

I think next year may have someone similar to Robert Williams (6'9 with 7'5 wingspan and 40 vertical, good for modern rim protector), but this year draft is lacking. Meanwhile, I would stock up SF on this draft, as I see a lot of value in the size of RHJ (or maybe longer for shot contesting).

See I don’t agree that we have enough gaurds, or i guess if I change the terminology to ballhandlers it’s easier to get across what I’m saying.

This series we only have 2 playable ballhandlers (Fred and Lowry), of those 2

-Fred isn’t really a primary due to not really being able to create or finish at a high enough level (also a free agent)

-Lowry is amazing but a free agent in one year and also turns 35 next season.

Besides that we have McCaw who’s not good, Davis who could be pretty good but also not a natural point.

This a draft deep with ball handlers and we could get a really good one.

I agree we could use, a reliable bench forward I just don’t think that’s more valuable than someone who can create. Especially on this team.

I agree, and maybe "point of attack" is a better term than ball handlers, because more than ball handling, they are respected with their pull ups, otherwise, Siakam would be included.

I think at our range, we will not have someone ready to contribute. I think this draft is same as those previous draft, only a few ones can create their shots, so it makes little difference between drafting a forward or guard and develop their guard skills.

[HeadtopChunes]

Is there anyone in round 2 that fits that description other than Riller? Keep in mind that Nurse seems reluctant to play guys that aren't at least above average on defense.

I think Riller will be gone by then feel like he will rise, looking at consensus board here.

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Guys I see with maybe any chance of being able to create in a playoff environment
Mason Jones, Reggie Perry, Jay Scrubb, Lamine Diane, Josh Hall, Elleby

I think for isolation scoring I would strongly consider Devon Dotson. I would argue that outside of maybe Kira Lewis he is the fastest player with the ball who can get to the rim without the help of a ballscreen. He can also finish in traffic and isn't afraid of contact because he is already strong. He doesn't have a consistent jumper so he is going to have to deal with people going undr on screens for him.

The opposite of using speed to score in isolation is Skylar Mays. He is just like a Lowry who is more strength and craft in finishing but he can work both on ball and off ball. He has more of dribble pull-up game and just is a skilled slasher.

Lastly, my favorite scorer is Elijah Hughes. He is a lot like Terrence Ross with his crossover dribble to a pull-up jumper. The bonus is that he can can pass off the dribble too and can basically play a defacto PG. His numbers are out of whack because of his extreme usage in Syracuse, but I think he is as good a scorer as any.

Yeah im a big Dotson guy just didn't consider him a 2nd rounder,.

Hughes idk too much about, haven't gotten around to checking him out, i dont trust syracuse guys though lol

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Is there anyone in round 2 that fits that description other than Riller? Keep in mind that Nurse seems reluctant to play guys that aren't at least above average on defense.

I think Riller will be gone by then feel like he will rise, looking at consensus board here.

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Guys I see with maybe any chance of being able to create in a playoff environment
Mason Jones, Reggie Perry, Jay Scrubb, Lamine Diane, Josh Hall, Elleby

That's probably the guy from what I've seen, if we're talking about scorers. Not sure how his defense is, but he has a well-rounded offensive game.

yeah question is how much of it can translate since he plays some of the worst competition in the draft

[HeadtopChunes]

I also prefer to give Paul Watson a shot, but he will be playing guard, and we will need another forward.
I see your point that the bigs on this draft has a lot of flaws and disappointing, but I think we have enough guards. Watson (6'11 wingspan?) would be the size of Brown (7' wingspan), I think he will excel playing at SG, while we look for a bigger SF.

I mean during small ball playoffs, our SF with Powell is under-size / under-length (Watson is just slightly bigger).

I think next year may have someone similar to Robert Williams (6'9 with 7'5 wingspan and 40 vertical, good for modern rim protector), but this year draft is lacking. Meanwhile, I would stock up SF on this draft, as I see a lot of value in the size of RHJ (or maybe longer for shot contesting).

See I don’t agree that we have enough gaurds, or i guess if I change the terminology to ballhandlers it’s easier to get across what I’m saying.

This series we only have 2 playable ballhandlers (Fred and Lowry), of those 2

-Fred isn’t really a primary due to not really being able to create or finish at a high enough level (also a free agent)

-Lowry is amazing but a free agent in one year and also turns 35 next season.

Besides that we have McCaw who’s not good, Davis who could be pretty good but also not a natural point.

This a draft deep with ball handlers and we could get a really good one.

I agree we could use, a reliable bench forward I just don’t think that’s more valuable than someone who can create. Especially on this team.

I agree, and maybe "point of attack" is a better term than ball handlers, because more than ball handling, they are respected with their pull ups, otherwise, Siakam would be included.

I think at our range, we will not have someone ready to contribute. I think this draft is same as those previous draft, only a few ones can create their shots, so it makes little difference between drafting a forward or guard and develop their guard skills.

i dont agree with this , think for the most part guys dont develop high level skills they haven't shown at least the outline of having.

for example, Jaden Mcdaniels could become a good pull-up shooter but i think its very unrealistic to think Paul Reed could do the same.

Im not too caught up in positions either, just think that the guards obviously happen to be more talented creators so id rather bet on them .For example someone like Tyrell Terry who has the outline to become a ridiculous shooter with some point skills vs someone like Woodard doing more than being a catch and shoot guy.

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I know I’ve said this before but I’d rather give Paul Watson a shot on the wing and draft a gaurd with creation upside, then draft a forward/big who doesn’t do much offensively.

Especially after a series like this just exacerbates the lack of creation on this team.

I agree that Watson should get a shot. He's a SG/SF. Woodard is a SF/PF to replace RHJ. At #29, Woodard can pay his dues on the bench mob for a couple of years.

Bench Mob 3.0 = TD, Thomas, Watson, Woodard and Boucher!!!! That's a lot of 3pt shooting and dunking.

I'm tired of getting out-rebounded by Boston.

[Indeed]

See I don’t agree that we have enough gaurds, or i guess if I change the terminology to ballhandlers it’s easier to get across what I’m saying.

This series we only have 2 playable ballhandlers (Fred and Lowry), of those 2

-Fred isn’t really a primary due to not really being able to create or finish at a high enough level (also a free agent)

-Lowry is amazing but a free agent in one year and also turns 35 next season.

Besides that we have McCaw who’s not good, Davis who could be pretty good but also not a natural point.

This a draft deep with ball handlers and we could get a really good one.

I agree we could use, a reliable bench forward I just don’t think that’s more valuable than someone who can create. Especially on this team.

I agree, and maybe "point of attack" is a better term than ball handlers, because more than ball handling, they are respected with their pull ups, otherwise, Siakam would be included.

I think at our range, we will not have someone ready to contribute. I think this draft is same as those previous draft, only a few ones can create their shots, so it makes little difference between drafting a forward or guard and develop their guard skills.

i dont agree with this , think for the most part guys dont develop high level skills they haven't shown at least the outline of having.

for example, Jaden Mcdaniels could become a good pull-up shooter but i think its very unrealistic to think Paul Reed could do the same.

Im not too caught up in positions either, just think that the guards obviously happen to be more talented creators so id rather bet on them .For example someone like Tyrell Terry who has the outline to become a ridiculous shooter with some point skills vs someone like Woodard doing more than being a catch and shoot guy.

I don't think Woodard has that potential to improve his guard skill, but would try draft someone who already has a handle and try to develop their shooting instead.

As for drafting a smaller player, I think I might gamble on someone like Saben Lee. Although Lee is not the pure point in his team (Pippen Jr is the pure point, call for plays), but it seems he has the quickness and wingspan potential with some NBA play set knowledge under Stakehouse.

This is a game (just before lockdown) against Louis. Not as quick as Louis, but he seems to have the potential and being undrafted:

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[HeadtopChunes]

I agree, and maybe "point of attack" is a better term than ball handlers, because more than ball handling, they are respected with their pull ups, otherwise, Siakam would be included.

I think at our range, we will not have someone ready to contribute. I think this draft is same as those previous draft, only a few ones can create their shots, so it makes little difference between drafting a forward or guard and develop their guard skills.

i dont agree with this , think for the most part guys dont develop high level skills they haven't shown at least the outline of having.

for example, Jaden Mcdaniels could become a good pull-up shooter but i think its very unrealistic to think Paul Reed could do the same.

Im not too caught up in positions either, just think that the guards obviously happen to be more talented creators so id rather bet on them .For example someone like Tyrell Terry who has the outline to become a ridiculous shooter with some point skills vs someone like Woodard doing more than being a catch and shoot guy.

I don't think Woodard has that potential to improve his guard skill, but would try draft someone who already has a handle and try to develop their shooting instead.

As for drafting a smaller player, I think I might gamble on someone like Saben Lee. Although Lee is not the pure point in his team (Pippen Jr is the pure point, call for plays), but it seems he has the quickness and wingspan potential with some NBA play set knowledge under Stakehouse.

This is a game (just before lockdown) against Louis. Not as quick as Louis, but he seems to have the potential and being undrafted:

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Lee would be a good 2 way contract option

[Gold Dragon]

I never saw video of Malachi Flynn or Tyler Bey until today. Those two look like they would fit and be able to contribute to this Raptor team immediately. Very impressive packages for end of the 1st round type players.

prospects I like at #29 so far: Tillman, Flynn, Bey

I can’t see us getting a project like McDaniels with #29. We need someone who can contribute right away.

[Psubs]

I never saw video of Malachi Flynn or Tyler Bey until today. Those two look like they would fit and be able to contribute to this Raptor team immediately. Very impressive packages for end of the 1st round type players.

prospects I like at #29 so far: Tillman, Flynn, Bey

I can’t see us getting a project like McDaniels with #29. We need someone who can contribute right away.

Agreed. There is immense depth in this draft. Maledon could be better than Hayes. Poku could be better than Toppin.

https://www.sbnation.com/2015/5/27/8474249/kristaps-porzingis-nba-draft-2015-scouting-report

If Poku drops, the Raptors can't let him slide more can they?

[Indeed]

I never saw video of Malachi Flynn or Tyler Bey until today. Those two look like they would fit and be able to contribute to this Raptor team immediately. Very impressive packages for end of the 1st round type players.

prospects I like at #29 so far: Tillman, Flynn, Bey

I can’t see us getting a project like McDaniels with #29. We need someone who can contribute right away.

My only concern with Bey is that he is just few months younger than OG, so he may have a lot to catch up.

[_MidNight_]

What are people's thoughts on Jaden McDaniels?

His upside is incredibly high and his skill set is exactly what this team needs.