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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2521 » by Arsenal » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:33 am

stormi wrote:Denver is like 8 or 9 deep with quality players and we want to trade a starter + Thybulle + draft capital for a 36 year old point guard. That's not the recipe for sustainable future success.


Sustainable future success is no longer possible due to the criminal mismanagement of the last 4 years. Our only hope is to try to create a two year window with Chris Paul. Otherwise this thing is going to crash down with Embiid or Simmons asking out.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2522 » by Arsenal » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:36 am

stormi wrote:Watching MPJ ball out when Brett Brown chose a 6'2 powerforward instead


Imagine our clown show calling 6'2" PF Zhaire Smith the next Kawhi.

Arrogance, hubris, and incompetence.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2523 » by stormi » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:46 am

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stormi wrote:Denver is like 8 or 9 deep with quality players and we want to trade a starter + Thybulle + draft capital for a 36 year old point guard. That's not the recipe for sustainable future success.


Sustainable future success is no longer possible due to the criminal mismanagement of the last 4 years. Our only hope is to try to create a two year window with Chris Paul. Otherwise this thing is going to crash down with Embiid or Simmons asking out.


Disagree. Having Embiid and having Simmons and having all of your future picks is being in a better position than 75% of the league, even with contracts like Al and Tobias on the books.

Needing a guard desperately but also giving in to trading for Chris Paul at max value when he was seen as a league wide cap dump less than a year ago is absolutely Sixers.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2524 » by Arsenal » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:48 am

stormi wrote:
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stormi wrote:Denver is like 8 or 9 deep with quality players and we want to trade a starter + Thybulle + draft capital for a 36 year old point guard. That's not the recipe for sustainable future success.


Sustainable future success is no longer possible due to the criminal mismanagement of the last 4 years. Our only hope is to try to create a two year window with Chris Paul. Otherwise this thing is going to crash down with Embiid or Simmons asking out.


Disagree. Having Embiid and having Simmons and having all of your future picks is being in a better position than 75% of the league, even with contracts like Al and Tobias on the books.

Needing a guard desperately but also giving in to trading for Chris Paul at max value when he was seen as a league wide cap dump less than a year ago is absolutely Sixers.


It obviously depends on the price. Not sure who is advocating selling the farm for him. The price may be less than we think because its obvious that Presti has promised to trade him. If he really wants to come here, the price could go down even more.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2525 » by stormi » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:52 am

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Sustainable future success is no longer possible due to the criminal mismanagement of the last 4 years. Our only hope is to try to create a two year window with Chris Paul. Otherwise this thing is going to crash down with Embiid or Simmons asking out.


Disagree. Having Embiid and having Simmons and having all of your future picks is being in a better position than 75% of the league, even with contracts like Al and Tobias on the books.

Needing a guard desperately but also giving in to trading for Chris Paul at max value when he was seen as a league wide cap dump less than a year ago is absolutely Sixers.


It obviously depends on the price. Not sure who is advocating selling the farm for him. The price may be less than we think because its obvious that Presti has promised to trade him. If he really wants to come here, the price could go down even more.


I would love Paul, not for the price of roster player + Thybulle + picks which I've seen mocked around a bit and I'm sure Presti will create a bidding war between us and Milwaukee (at the least) who'll probably be desperate to win before Giannis flees. I'd look for another alternative at that price Conley/Rozier/Schroder/Dinwiddie

I see pick 21 and Thybulle as important cogs in the rotation even as soon as next season. We can't seriously keep trotting out Furkan/Burks/Neto tier players and pretending like this is a serious team with championship intentions.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2526 » by Dave Meltzer » Sat Sep 12, 2020 1:58 am

Arsenal wrote:
stormi wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
Sustainable future success is no longer possible due to the criminal mismanagement of the last 4 years. Our only hope is to try to create a two year window with Chris Paul. Otherwise this thing is going to crash down with Embiid or Simmons asking out.


Disagree. Having Embiid and having Simmons and having all of your future picks is being in a better position than 75% of the league, even with contracts like Al and Tobias on the books.

Needing a guard desperately but also giving in to trading for Chris Paul at max value when he was seen as a league wide cap dump less than a year ago is absolutely Sixers.


It obviously depends on the price. Not sure who is advocating selling the farm for him. The price may be less than we think because its obvious that Presti has promised to trade him. If he really wants to come here, the price could go down even more.

It is good thing Milwaukee is the obvious competition for a deal. We're in a much better position as far as owned 1sts and 2nds in the upcoming drafts.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team
I would expect the offer to be Horford, Richardson and a pick for Paul. With OKC also moving Richardson for a pick.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2527 » by stormi » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:09 am

maybe that sounds reasonable...
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2528 » by ProcessDoctor » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:52 am

GO HEAT
2025-2026 Philadelphia 76ers:

Maxey/McCain/Lowry
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2529 » by stormi » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:53 am

Another series of two teams I hate very much
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2530 » by Mik317 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:02 am

MPJ would have to had a back transplant with our training staff
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2531 » by the_process » Sat Sep 12, 2020 4:06 am

Dave Meltzer wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
stormi wrote:
Disagree. Having Embiid and having Simmons and having all of your future picks is being in a better position than 75% of the league, even with contracts like Al and Tobias on the books.

Needing a guard desperately but also giving in to trading for Chris Paul at max value when he was seen as a league wide cap dump less than a year ago is absolutely Sixers.


It obviously depends on the price. Not sure who is advocating selling the farm for him. The price may be less than we think because its obvious that Presti has promised to trade him. If he really wants to come here, the price could go down even more.

It is good thing Milwaukee is the obvious competition for a deal. We're in a much better position as far as owned 1sts and 2nds in the upcoming drafts.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team
I would expect the offer to be Horford, Richardson and a pick for Paul. With OKC also moving Richardson for a pick.


That's too much to pay for Paul. Which means, of course, Elton is already calling in the offer to Presti.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2532 » by phillynative » Sat Sep 12, 2020 5:02 am

the_process wrote:
Dave Meltzer wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
It obviously depends on the price. Not sure who is advocating selling the farm for him. The price may be less than we think because its obvious that Presti has promised to trade him. If he really wants to come here, the price could go down even more.

It is good thing Milwaukee is the obvious competition for a deal. We're in a much better position as far as owned 1sts and 2nds in the upcoming drafts.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team
I would expect the offer to be Horford, Richardson and a pick for Paul. With OKC also moving Richardson for a pick.


That's too much to pay for Paul. Which means, of course, Elton is already calling in the offer to Presti.

lol
What would your offer be?
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2533 » by 76ciology » Sat Sep 12, 2020 6:34 am

The best coached team right now for me is the Lakers. And it’s not just of Vogel but they have a handful of the best minds in NBA right now.

For instance, Vogel going away from McGee-AD frontcourt was a great adjustment that I dont think Brett would have done. Their defense against Harden is another example.

MDA not making adjustments and really doesnt have any options but to play microball is putting him at a disadvantage right now
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2534 » by M2J » Sat Sep 12, 2020 9:33 am

Dave Meltzer wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
stormi wrote:
Disagree. Having Embiid and having Simmons and having all of your future picks is being in a better position than 75% of the league, even with contracts like Al and Tobias on the books.

Needing a guard desperately but also giving in to trading for Chris Paul at max value when he was seen as a league wide cap dump less than a year ago is absolutely Sixers.


It obviously depends on the price. Not sure who is advocating selling the farm for him. The price may be less than we think because its obvious that Presti has promised to trade him. If he really wants to come here, the price could go down even more.

It is good thing Milwaukee is the obvious competition for a deal. We're in a much better position as far as owned 1sts and 2nds in the upcoming drafts.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team
I would expect the offer to be Horford, Richardson and a pick for Paul. With OKC also moving Richardson for a pick.


I would have to do a future first rounder, or rather this year's first and a second but try to keep Richardson from this deal . Use Scott and Zhaire instead.

I think that Josh would be better kept in a championship or bust year, or traded for a better fit. Is rather trade him for Schroder.

I'm also hesitant with Paul. Seemingly a great fit. The guy never stays healthy in the playoffs. Though I guess, even if you have to get rid of Josh, it's worth considering.

Would much rather go after Jrue
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2535 » by Aussiepiston1 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:01 am

stormi wrote:Watching MPJ ball out when Brett Brown chose a 6'2 powerforward instead

Doesn’t it hurt your eyes, I know a lot of teams passed on him but it’s not like we drafted a win now type of player anyway.
I was literally yelling at the tv when we didn’t pick him.
Man I hope Zhaire becomes a version of Avery Bradley at his peak at least and thybulle Danny green then we have some young talent who can compliment Jojo and Ben.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2536 » by Aussiepiston1 » Sat Sep 12, 2020 11:15 am

I know the lakers have Lebron and AD but it’s cheap players like rondo,Morris,kcp and Caruso who are stepping it up.
I think going after josh Jackson, Jeff Teague and Kent bazemore would really solidify our bench.
If OKC wants too much for CP3 I’d see if Utah or Toronto would do a Harris for Conley or Lowry deal as they’re not a hot spot for free agents.
Horford can back up Embiid.
Lowry/Teague/ 21st pick
Richardson/ Milton/ Smith
Thybulle/ Bazemore/ Korkmaz
Simmons/ Jackson/ Scott
Embiid/ Horford/ Pelle
That’s an eastern conference champion with a good coach
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2537 » by Arsenal » Sat Sep 12, 2020 2:58 pm

76ciology wrote:The best coached team right now for me is the Lakers. And it’s not just of Vogel but they have a handful of the best minds in NBA right now.

For instance, Vogel going away from McGee-AD frontcourt was a great adjustment that I dont think Brett would have done. Their defense against Harden is another example.

MDA not making adjustments and really doesnt have any options but to play microball is putting him at a disadvantage right now


Yeah they went ALL-IN on microball after making the disastrous trade for Westbrick, realizing that since the guy can't shoot they need to surround him with shooters.

Right now MDA has no other choice so you can't really knock him for not being able to adjust.

Houston is a team that could really use a guy like Al Horford.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2538 » by Arsenal » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:01 pm

the_process wrote:
Dave Meltzer wrote:
Arsenal wrote:
It obviously depends on the price. Not sure who is advocating selling the farm for him. The price may be less than we think because its obvious that Presti has promised to trade him. If he really wants to come here, the price could go down even more.

It is good thing Milwaukee is the obvious competition for a deal. We're in a much better position as far as owned 1sts and 2nds in the upcoming drafts.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/draft/future_drafts/team
I would expect the offer to be Horford, Richardson and a pick for Paul. With OKC also moving Richardson for a pick.


That's too much to pay for Paul. Which means, of course, Elton is already calling in the offer to Presti.


This. We know Brand + clown show are gonna get owned in this deal.

A fair price would be Horford + Richardson + either Z. Smith or 2 2nds. That's it. They can reroute JRich elsewhere for more value if they want.

I really prefer including JRich in the deal instead of Thybulle or a 1st because we can't re-sign JRich next summer anyway. Need to cash his value now.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2539 » by VDT » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:28 pm

Paul is a win now trade and Richardson will help the team more than the pick. The pick has also more value for the OKC so its a no brainer for me.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2540 » by Arsenal » Sat Sep 12, 2020 3:43 pm

VDT wrote:Paul is a win now trade and Richardson will help the team more than the pick. The pick has also more value for the OKC so its a no brainer for me.


I'm ok w/keeping Richardson if we plan to resign him or at least sign and trade him next summer for value.

Since our cheap ownership will likely let him walk instead, he needs to go in the deal.

We need that pick to find our PG of the future. CP3 has a 2 year contract and it would be foolish to count on him after that.

Of course, with the myopic "vision" of this front office I would expect them to send the pick and keep JRich to set up a ONE YEAR window.

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