GIVE FVV MAX!

[OAKLEY_2]

i dont' think the raptors should give him the max

The timing just sucks. Had he been drafted he would not be up for the payday at this point. Signing undrafted players means they are free agents so much quicker. The tough part for me is choosing between Fred and Serge. I am inclined to let Fred collect as much as he can. If because of the Pandemic that is way down to what Norm signed for I might sign him to Brogdan money out of respect. I do think Serge is harder to replace and he is a badly needed veteran presence.

[nabbs]

Fred can be the starting PG and 20-23 million is fine by me barring he is your third option and you sign a starting 2 guard beside him with legit size that can run a PnR and pass.

It's the only way to make it work. I believe Fred will improve but you need to have him play off ball too

[ruckus]

Fred can be the starting PG and 20-23 million is fine by me barring he is your third option and you sign a starting 2 guard beside him with legit size that can run a PnR and pass.

It's the only way to make it work. I believe Fred will improve but you need to have him play off ball too

I think they can develop TD into that type of 2 guard.

[VintageVince]

I know some of you think giving Fred 23-25mil per season is ridiculous.

BUT

If we have no one to sign this off-season, it's not bad to sign Fred for even 25mil per season. Why? Because you can flip him in the future for picks / assets. Better than losing him for nothing.

[nabbs]

Fred can be the starting PG and 20-23 million is fine by me barring he is your third option and you sign a starting 2 guard beside him with legit size that can run a PnR and pass.

It's the only way to make it work. I believe Fred will improve but you need to have him play off ball too

I think they can develop TD into that type of 2 guard.

I think TD can be an adequate one but not a reliable one on a consistent basis. Plus I like him in the bench role right now. I am still 50/50 on TD ever becoming that type of guard

[M3tro]

$18 mil is the max I offer.

[Retro_Junkball]

I had said earlier this season that $20M per year was overpaying, but acceptable overpaying. I still think that's the case. Someone will probably offer $22M plus, and then it's time to consider a sign and trade to a good team that has cap issues.

[Kingsway_fan]

i dont' think the raptors should give him the max

The timing just sucks. Had he been drafted he would not be up for the payday at this point. Signing undrafted players means they are free agents so much quicker. The tough part for me is choosing between Fred and Serge. I am inclined to let Fred collect as much as he can. If because of the Pandemic that is way down to what Norm signed for I might sign him to Brogdan money out of respect. I do think Serge is harder to replace and he is a badly needed veteran presence.

Yet nurse did not have enough confidence in him to start him and play him significant minutes over old man gasol... ecen when all signs showed he should have....and also nurse played fred more minutes than any other player most games...

[TD2FutureStar]

Let another team over pay for him if he won't take $15-$20M

[Westside Gunn]

If Masai gives him 22+ what kind of production would you expect from him?

[Gold Dragon]

The timing just sucks. Had he been drafted he would not be up for the payday at this point.

This is not true. Fred was an undrafted free agent the year we drafted pascal. He would be a restricted free agent if he were drafted in the 1st round but still have the same max so slightly less leverage for Fred in that situation.

If he was drafted in the 2nd round, most 2nd round picks sign 2-3 year rookie deals and then the promising ones get a 2nd contract as an RFA that is another 2-3 years. So maybe 1-2 more years of control before unrestricted free agency if the player wasn't a "bet on yourself" kind of guy and wanted the security of longer deals.

[TheAlchemist]

I haven't seen anything remotely close from Fred that sounds like he deserves Max money.

Masai ain't giving it to him, and he most definitely has better opportunities getting that money elsewhere. I'd collect as much as I can if I was Fred.

As said before, maybe overpay Fred, just so u can flip him to collect assets.

For example Utah might want to replace Conley in the future, Miami might be willing to part with a Herro / Nun, or hell even the Lakers (I don't want anything from them outside of Kuzma) might want him in the future.

[TheAlchemist]

Just to chime in a bit more...

Fred shoots literally around 41% from the field in the last two years and 40% from 3. I hardly doubt he's going to score on better effeciency, even above 43% FG. I'm using field goal as a analytical tool only because we all know the 3 is his weapon of choice. But finishing at the rim and a decent mid range is important.

I wish there was a way you combine Fred's defense, three point shooting, and tight handle with DeMars mid range , athleticism, height, and offensive finishes.

We're looking at one hell of a player haha.

That being said Fred's definitely wayyyy too flawed to be a max player. If god forbid he gets a injury that limits his handle or driving ability, were f***ed for the length of his contract.

[UnbelievablyRAW]

Terrible idea. You don't do stuff like that unless you're in win now mode. The roster we have this year is probably better than whatever we'll have next year and it already wasn't enough this season. We max out Fred and now we're stuck with our top 2 guys being fringe allstar talent and nowhere near title contention.

Fred can take 15-18 mill or go to the Knicks for that 20-22 million

[Mattatron]

Another question, why should Fred choose the horrible Knicks or the pistons with Casey and 23 mill salary instead of signing with us getting 18~20 Mill being in the playoffs for many years and maybe being a contender again 2021. To be successful, the Raptors need good high quality role players for a good 2021 pitch. Our system players are the reason we are so successful.

[HoopAndTheHarm]

Fred either gets 2 years at big $ or a longer deal at less average. 2 years @ $20 mil average or 4 years at somewhere $15-18 mil average.

[TheAlchemist]

Here's another point:

Is Fred currently a top 10 point guard?

I got;

1. Steph
2. Dame
3. Lowry
4. Chris Paul
5. Jamaal Murray
6. Kemba
7. Kyrie Irving
8. Westbrook (Non Coronavirus version)
9. Ja Morant
10. Ben Simmons

Note: Ben Simmons who I havenl mentioned has position uncertainty. Luka doncic is a sf to me. And James Harden cause to me James is a shooting guard.

Ok so clearly Fred doesn't break top 10 for point guards in the league. Top 15?


11. Trae young
12. Dearon fox
13. Fred Van Vleet
14. Spencer Dinwiddie
15. D'angelo Russell
16. Lou williams
17. Eric Bledsoe

... So it seems Fred is the top 12 point guards for sure.

Do you spend the max on a top 12 player?

[Young_Buc]

Here's another point:

Is Fred currently a top 10 point guard?

I got;

1. Steph
2. Dame
3. Lowry
4. Chris Paul
5. Jamaal Murray
6. Kemba
7. Kyrie Irving
8. Westbrook (Non Coronavirus version)
9. Ja Morant
10. Ben Simmons

Note: Ben Simmons who I havenl mentioned has position uncertainty. Luka doncic is a sf to me. And James Harden cause to me James is a shooting guard.

Ok so clearly Fred doesn't break top 10 for point guards in the league. Top 15?


11. Trae young
12. Dearon fox
13. Fred Van Vleet
14. Spencer Dinwiddie
15. D'angelo Russell
16. Lou williams
17. Eric Bledsoe

... So it seems Fred is the top 12 point guards for sure.

Do you spend the max on a top 12 player?

If say currently all the guys listed below Fred on that list are better players than him and would THRIVE in our system. Closest comparison for Fred is Lou Williams. A scoring "PG" who is excellent as a 6th man

[PhilBlackson]

Hell no lol

It’s like you guys haven’t learnt from Pascal (who played better the year he got one).

[Fairview4Life]

Here's another point:

Is Fred currently a top 10 point guard?

I got;

1. Steph
2. Dame
3. Lowry
4. Chris Paul
5. Jamaal Murray
6. Kemba
7. Kyrie Irving
8. Westbrook (Non Coronavirus version)
9. Ja Morant
10. Ben Simmons

Note: Ben Simmons who I havenl mentioned has position uncertainty. Luka doncic is a sf to me. And James Harden cause to me James is a shooting guard.

Ok so clearly Fred doesn't break top 10 for point guards in the league. Top 15?


11. Trae young
12. Dearon fox
13. Fred Van Vleet
14. Spencer Dinwiddie
15. D'angelo Russell
16. Lou williams
17. Eric Bledsoe

... So it seems Fred is the top 12 point guards for sure.

Do you spend the max on a top 12 player?

If say currently all the guys listed below Fred on that list are better players than him and would THRIVE in our system. Closest comparison for Fred is Lou Williams. A scoring "PG" who is excellent as a 6th man

Fred plays defence. Very well.