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3toheadmelo wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Would you do this trade? We'd have a ton of cap space to sign people around Harden and Mitch.
Pass. Mavs aren’t a lock to the playoffs
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Would you do this trade? We'd have a ton of cap space to sign people around Harden and Mitch.
NewYorkPride85 wrote:3toheadmelo wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Would you do this trade? We'd have a ton of cap space to sign people around Harden and Mitch.
Pass. Mavs aren’t a lock to the playoffs
Totally agree. That's not to say I don't believe in the Mav's talent, just that I have my doubts that they can stay healthy all season. Granted having Luka who hasn't had any significant injuries but he's just one person.
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Would you do this trade? We'd have a ton of cap space to sign people around Harden and Mitch.
Richard4444 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:TOR board thoughts on paying up for FVV
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1995831
Being too close to the situation can make you prisoners of the moment sometimes, but they’ve also watched him his whole career.
The majority of the Raptors fans would re-sign him for 17M-20M/y.
Raptors fans are a little snob due to the recent team success. They think they are too good for Fred and they can land Giannis.
Furthermore, they have a 30M+ Siakam on the books and they have to re-sign OG next offseason. Also, It could be interesting to give Lowry a long term vet deal after 2021 (30-40/3). Ibaka could be paid a similar deal. But If they overpay Fred, they are in trouble to build a team. Especially if they miss Giannis.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
dakomish23 wrote:Would you rather
Trade for Wiggins and get the #2 pick
Or
Sign FVV Bertrans to 30 combined
?
NewYorkPride85 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:Would you rather
Trade for Wiggins and get the #2 pick
Or
Sign FVV Bertrans to 30 combined
?
Depends on what we have to give up. Personally I'd want the 2021 T-Wolves pick (Top 3 protected) but that would be asking for too much honestly.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
dakomish23 wrote:Richard4444 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:TOR board thoughts on paying up for FVV
viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1995831
Being too close to the situation can make you prisoners of the moment sometimes, but they’ve also watched him his whole career.
The majority of the Raptors fans would re-sign him for 17M-20M/y.
Raptors fans are a little snob due to the recent team success. They think they are too good for Fred and they can land Giannis.
Furthermore, they have a 30M+ Siakam on the books and they have to re-sign OG next offseason. Also, It could be interesting to give Lowry a long term vet deal after 2021 (30-40/3). Ibaka could be paid a similar deal. But If they overpay Fred, they are in trouble to build a team. Especially if they miss Giannis.
Some more pro FVV stuff
dakomish23 wrote:Would you rather
Trade for Wiggins and get the #2 pick
Or
Sign FVV Bertrans to 30 combined
?
HarthorneWingo wrote:dakomish23 wrote:Would you rather
Trade for Wiggins and get the #2 pick
Or
Sign FVV Bertrans to 30 combined
?
We'll never get those two for a combined $30M/yr. Fred's gonna costs at least $20M/year, probably more.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
dakomish23 wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:dakomish23 wrote:Would you rather
Trade for Wiggins and get the #2 pick
Or
Sign FVV Bertrans to 30 combined
?
We'll never get those two for a combined $30M/yr. Fred's gonna costs at least $20M/year, probably more.
Not so sure. Here’s the top 10 teams with maximum cap space.
ATL has Trae. DET might draft a PG. SAC has Fox plus they have to pay Bogdanovic. NOP is interesting but they have no shortage of guards. CHA might do it. They’re never a player for the big fish in FA & they might not be in love w/ the current combo. Depends who they draft. PHX might do it as Rubio insurance but they’d have renounce cap holds. MIN might do it depends who they draft.
ATL $54,958,732
NYK $53,708,259
DET $42,886,149
SAC $36,470,544
NOP $35,030,080
CHA $33,933,582
MIA $30,085,627
TOR $26,474,285
PHX $26,221,026
MIN $19,669,573
But let’s say you’re right. So raise that number. 4 years, 40 mil for those 2 guys or Wiggins for 3 more years and the #2 pick in this draft. Which would you rather do?
All comes down to what you think of who you can get at 2. If you can get a foundation piece, and there hasn’t been a draft in recent years where there aren’t foundational pieces, do you do it? Tough question for a GM b/c if you pick a bust, you’re done.
I’m not even sure if GSW would settle for what we have.
HarthorneWingo wrote:dakomish23 wrote:HarthorneWingo wrote:
We'll never get those two for a combined $30M/yr. Fred's gonna costs at least $20M/year, probably more.
Not so sure. Here’s the top 10 teams with maximum cap space.
ATL has Trae. DET might draft a PG. SAC has Fox plus they have to pay Bogdanovic. NOP is interesting but they have no shortage of guards. CHA might do it. They’re never a player for the big fish in FA & they might not be in love w/ the current combo. Depends who they draft. PHX might do it as Rubio insurance but they’d have renounce cap holds. MIN might do it depends who they draft.
ATL $54,958,732
NYK $53,708,259
DET $42,886,149
SAC $36,470,544
NOP $35,030,080
CHA $33,933,582
MIA $30,085,627
TOR $26,474,285
PHX $26,221,026
MIN $19,669,573
But let’s say you’re right. So raise that number. 4 years, 40 mil for those 2 guys or Wiggins for 3 more years and the #2 pick in this draft. Which would you rather do?
All comes down to what you think of who you can get at 2. If you can get a foundation piece, and there hasn’t been a draft in recent years where there aren’t foundational pieces, do you do it? Tough question for a GM b/c if you pick a bust, you’re done.
I’m not even sure if GSW would settle for what we have.
I think I'm not going to get too cute with this draft if I'm Leon. I just don't have the stomach for it. Leon is still "wet behind the ears" and other GMs will look to take advantage of his inexperience.
If someone comes to us with a deal that we can't refuse, then maybe. If we are out there trying to deal, I'd prefer that it was to trade down and bring back another asset.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
dakomish23 wrote:NewYorkPride85 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:Would you rather
Trade for Wiggins and get the #2 pick
Or
Sign FVV Bertrans to 30 combined
?
Depends on what we have to give up. Personally I'd want the 2021 T-Wolves pick (Top 3 protected) but that would be asking for too much honestly.
You’d rather have that MIN pick than the #2 in this draft? Just want to make sure I’m understanding you.
I assume it would be two things. They can say give us some of your bench veterans so they can fill out their depth. Or maybe they’d take Julius? Who knows.
We can also flag out absorb. I know it’s a big hit, but if you can land a foundation guy, why wouldn’t I do it. Wiggins will be off the books before this guy is even off his rookie deal. The question is if you think you have a piece.
NewYorkPride85 wrote:dakomish23 wrote:NewYorkPride85 wrote:
Depends on what we have to give up. Personally I'd want the 2021 T-Wolves pick (Top 3 protected) but that would be asking for too much honestly.
You’d rather have that MIN pick than the #2 in this draft? Just want to make sure I’m understanding you.
I assume it would be two things. They can say give us some of your bench veterans so they can fill out their depth. Or maybe they’d take Julius? Who knows.
We can also flag out absorb. I know it’s a big hit, but if you can land a foundation guy, why wouldn’t I do it. Wiggins will be off the books before this guy is even off his rookie deal. The question is if you think you have a piece.
That is exactly what I’m saying. This is by far one of the worst drafts in the last decade. Just look the talent in 2021. The top 15 players in that draft is better than any player in this years draft and Minnesota is going nowhere so it’s pretty much a lock to be in the top 10-15. I have zero faith in any player in this draft being cornerstone/ top 15 in the league. The top three PGs and SG are better than any in this years draft. If you don’t believe me just look at the talent in next years draft. A top 3 prospect should be plug and play with the ability to completely alter a team in a positive way like Zion or Ja. All the top prospects in this years draft have major warts and need a ton of development.
Jimmit79 wrote:Yea RJ played well he was definitely the x factor
jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Would you do this trade? We'd have a ton of cap space to sign people around Harden and Mitch.
DowNY wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Would you do this trade? We'd have a ton of cap space to sign people around Harden and Mitch.
LMFAAAOOOOOO
This is still too funny. But since we doing 2K inspired trades, let me play.
Replace RJ with Knox, take out the 2023 Mavs pick and switch the Mavs 2021 pick with the Knicks 2022 pick with protection on it.
Have Harden convince AD to sign after AD wins this championship in a few weeks. Let the marketing plan be the Beard & the Brow. Could even throw a beard and unibrow on the Knicks logo for commercials or whatever, lol.
Boom.
James Harden runs point
Frank at SG to protect Harden on defense
RJ Barrett at SF
Anthony Davis
Mitchell Robinson
Best lineup in the East. Bang bang, word to a cactus jack
NewYorkPride85 wrote:jvsimonetti0514 wrote:
Would you do this trade? We'd have a ton of cap space to sign people around Harden and Mitch.
Hell no!!! Harden is NOT a player you build around. Just look at his career in Houston. All they have done since the moment they got him is build around him to the tune of having almost no draft capital since they traded all of them away to bring players in the help Harden. It's a really hard pass for me. There are few people in the league that you trade the farm for but its not him.
