2019-20 NBA Season Discussion

[70sFan]

I've seen enough to conclude Jokic is the best offensive big man of all-time, so skilled and resilient to any kind of defense. He's still a C who can't protect a rim with a high level though so building a contender around him will be tricky.

Who would have thought, as usual we have overreactions Jokic is amazing and he solidifies himself as an all-time great center, but he's not the best offensive bigman of all-time just because he dominates small-ball Clippers.

Hey man, gotta respect the Zubac.

He doesn't play enough minutes to count him and Clippers are very happy with switching him on P&Rs anyway.

[70sFan]

"I've seen enough" implies this confims prior sample, he's obviously not the best because of one series. He's been dominant in all of his playoff series so far, the sample is enough for me to be confident in my assessment. If he plays the Lakers in the next round it'll be by far his toughest challenge though, but I believe he'll dominate anyway.

Passing, playmaking, shooting, even decent ball handling... he can do it all. Complete package offensively.

Again, that's cool but it doesn't make him the best ever.

Best ever is very subjective. For me, Jokic is the most skilled offensive big man I've seen.

That's different debate and he has solid case, but it still depends on what you call "skill". If you take defensive skillset into account, I'd take Duncan over him overall without thinking twice. Hakeem probably as well. Then there is Kareem, who is not as good passer but he's just better scorer.

[Dupp]

Jokers gotta be the most universally liked player on realgm right? In terms of people like to watch him play and no one really dislikes him. Just a fun player.

[Doctor MJ]

If Denver pulls this off i dont see how can u put Giannis top 5 for this season

Bron, Kawhi, Harden, Davis, Jokic seems very clear to me in that case............

If Denver pulls this off, Kawhi will get re-evaluated like Giannis has and much of where he lands will depend on what happens with his conqueror in the next round. I realize that Kawhi's rightfully seen as a lot more established, but blowing a 3-1 series against a team that largely was not taken seriously as a true contender is a big deal and really blows to hell the notion that he is "inevitable".

Frankly it's still hard for me to imagine the Clippers losing Game 7 given how I've seen the teams, but if they do...

[eminence]

Who would have thought, as usual we have overreactions Jokic is amazing and he solidifies himself as an all-time great center, but he's not the best offensive bigman of all-time just because he dominates small-ball Clippers.

Hey man, gotta respect the Zubac.

He doesn't play enough minutes to count him and Clippers are very happy with switching him on P&Rs anyway.

Umm... Yeah he does. He was 5th in minutes in the Mavs series and 4th so far in the Nuggets series.

[Doctor MJ]

Jokers gotta be the most universally liked player on realgm right? In terms of people like to watch him play and no one really dislikes him. Just a fun player.

Well some people seem to like to follow basketball just so they can trash the players who don't win the championship, and those folks have always loved to bash Jokic.

If you're just talking about watch-ability though, to me Denver's been the most fun team to watch since KD's sucked the joy out of the Warriors. Love that we're seeing someone from the Bill Walton family of big men thrive in today's game.

[Dupp]

If Denver pulls this off i dont see how can u put Giannis top 5 for this season

Bron, Kawhi, Harden, Davis, Jokic seems very clear to me in that case............

If Denver pulls this off, Kawhi will get re-evaluated like Giannis has and much of where he lands will depend on what happens with his conqueror in the next round. I realize that Kawhi's rightfully seen as a lot more established, but blowing a 3-1 series against a team that largely was not taken seriously as a true contender is a big deal and really blows to hell the notion that he is "inevitable".

Frankly it's still hard for me to imagine the Clippers losing Game 7 given how I've seen the teams, but if they do...

Kawhi should get re evaluated some of they lose ( don’t think they will) but his play has been top tier still. He’s got holes, especially leadership imo. Giannis holes though were much much glaring and taken advantage of though.

[Dupp]

Jokers gotta be the most universally liked player on realgm right? In terms of people like to watch him play and no one really dislikes him. Just a fun player.

Well some people seem to like to follow basketball just so they can trash the players who don't win the championship, and those folks have always loved to bash Jokic.

If you're just talking about watch-ability though, to me Denver's been the most fun team to watch since KD's sucked the joy out of the Warriors. Love that we're seeing someone from the Bill Walton family of big men thrive in today's game.

Yeah that’s what I meant watch- ability wise.


And yeah realgm (or the Internet in general) is a pretty negative place. A lot of posting is agenda based and to tear people down rather then for the love of basketball.

[GSP]

Jokers gotta be the most universally liked player on realgm right? In terms of people like to watch him play and no one really dislikes him. Just a fun player.

Hes gotten alot of hate at least in the gen board

Ppl cant stand a doughy goofy Serbian dude that chugged on 2 liter Coca Colas daily is one of the biggest playoff gamers weve seen in a long time specially for a big

[GSP]

If Denver pulls this off i dont see how can u put Giannis top 5 for this season

Bron, Kawhi, Harden, Davis, Jokic seems very clear to me in that case............

If Denver pulls this off, Kawhi will get re-evaluated like Giannis has and much of where he lands will depend on what happens with his conqueror in the next round. I realize that Kawhi's rightfully seen as a lot more established, but blowing a 3-1 series against a team that largely was not taken seriously as a true contender is a big deal and really blows to hell the notion that he is "inevitable".

Frankly it's still hard for me to imagine the Clippers losing Game 7 given how I've seen the teams, but if they do...

Kawhi has been great in the playoffs and this series too TBH

his depth and specially coaching has let him down. It seems similar to the Cp3 Clippers actually which someone mentioned earlier

I dont really see holes in Kawhis game being exposed this series like it was for Giannis

[Dupp]

Jokers gotta be the most universally liked player on realgm right? In terms of people like to watch him play and no one really dislikes him. Just a fun player.

Hes gotten alot of hate at least in the gen board

Ppl cant stand a doughy goofy Serbian dude that chugged on 2 liter Coca Colas daily is one of the biggest playoff gamers weve seen in a long time specially for a big

Has he though? People calling him fat is one thing but compared to other superstars he seems fairly low on the haters.

[Dupp]

If Denver pulls this off i dont see how can u put Giannis top 5 for this season

Bron, Kawhi, Harden, Davis, Jokic seems very clear to me in that case............

If Denver pulls this off, Kawhi will get re-evaluated like Giannis has and much of where he lands will depend on what happens with his conqueror in the next round. I realize that Kawhi's rightfully seen as a lot more established, but blowing a 3-1 series against a team that largely was not taken seriously as a true contender is a big deal and really blows to hell the notion that he is "inevitable".

Frankly it's still hard for me to imagine the Clippers losing Game 7 given how I've seen the teams, but if they do...

Kawhi has been great in the playoffs and this series too TBH

his depth and specially coaching has let him down. It seems similar to the Cp3 Clippers actually which someone mentioned earlier

I dont really see holes in Kawhis game being exposed this series like it was for Giannis

You could argue playmaking and leadership imo. I more or less agree with you though.

He’s just been severely overrated all time. Besides that he’s fine and deserves all his recent praise.

[eminence]

Jokers gotta be the most universally liked player on realgm right? In terms of people like to watch him play and no one really dislikes him. Just a fun player.

Hes gotten alot of hate at least in the gen board

Ppl cant stand a doughy goofy Serbian dude that chugged on 2 liter Coca Colas daily is one of the biggest playoff gamers weve seen in a long time specially for a big

Has he though? People calling him fat is one thing but compared to other superstars he seems fairly low on the haters.

It's still early, have patience

[Doctor MJ]

Jokers gotta be the most universally liked player on realgm right? In terms of people like to watch him play and no one really dislikes him. Just a fun player.

Well some people seem to like to follow basketball just so they can trash the players who don't win the championship, and those folks have always loved to bash Jokic.

If you're just talking about watch-ability though, to me Denver's been the most fun team to watch since KD's sucked the joy out of the Warriors. Love that we're seeing someone from the Bill Walton family of big men thrive in today's game.

Yeah that’s what I meant watch- ability wise.


And yeah realgm (or the Internet in general) is a pretty negative place. A lot of posting is agenda based and to tear people down rather then for the love of basketball.

It's not just RealGM. The whole damn internet has turned toxic and has taken the US and other countries with it. It's really sad. The internet used to be such a fun, whimsical place.

[Orin]

If Denver pulls this off i dont see how can u put Giannis top 5 for this season

Bron, Kawhi, Harden, Davis, Jokic seems very clear to me in that case............

If Denver pulls this off, Kawhi will get re-evaluated like Giannis has and much of where he lands will depend on what happens with his conqueror in the next round. I realize that Kawhi's rightfully seen as a lot more established, but blowing a 3-1 series against a team that largely was not taken seriously as a true contender is a big deal and really blows to hell the notion that he is "inevitable".

Frankly it's still hard for me to imagine the Clippers losing Game 7 given how I've seen the teams, but if they do...

Why? I don't think the two situations are similar at all. Giannis played badly and couldn't overcome his weakness, for the second straight year. So it makes sense to re-evaluate how he stacks up against the best players in the world.

Kawhi on the other hand had an amazing first round and played 6 games already on an average level (for him). If he plays like poop but still get bailed out by his team, that shouldn't make him rank higher than if he lost and played godly.

[TheGOATRises007]

Doc is a terrible terrible coach.

Wonder how Martin will react if the Clippers blow game 7.

[Doctor MJ]

If Denver pulls this off i dont see how can u put Giannis top 5 for this season

Bron, Kawhi, Harden, Davis, Jokic seems very clear to me in that case............

If Denver pulls this off, Kawhi will get re-evaluated like Giannis has and much of where he lands will depend on what happens with his conqueror in the next round. I realize that Kawhi's rightfully seen as a lot more established, but blowing a 3-1 series against a team that largely was not taken seriously as a true contender is a big deal and really blows to hell the notion that he is "inevitable".

Frankly it's still hard for me to imagine the Clippers losing Game 7 given how I've seen the teams, but if they do...

Kawhi has been great in the playoffs and this series too TBH

his depth and specially coaching has let him down. It seems similar to the Cp3 Clippers actually which someone mentioned earlier

I dont really see holes in Kawhis game being exposed this series like it was for Giannis

This is true but perspective matters here.

The fact that Kawhi can still get his with only minor effects on his efficiency is a good thing, but it's not the only thing. Kawhi approaches the game as an individual, and there are both good and bad consequences to this. Last year made us feel like the negatives didn't actually matter, but if the Raptors had faced a healthy Warriors team firing on all cylinders, we made have a more balanced perspective on what Kawhi can and cannot give you.

[limbo]

The stars are aligning for this to be the Lakers year. Clippers looking disjointed, Bucks choking, Raptors not finding enough consistency...

I think LeBron is smelling the blood in the water and has enough talent around him this time to bring it home. Not saying it will be easy, but i'd feel fairly confident in my chances if i'm the Lakers.

[Doctor MJ]

If Denver pulls this off i dont see how can u put Giannis top 5 for this season

Bron, Kawhi, Harden, Davis, Jokic seems very clear to me in that case............

If Denver pulls this off, Kawhi will get re-evaluated like Giannis has and much of where he lands will depend on what happens with his conqueror in the next round. I realize that Kawhi's rightfully seen as a lot more established, but blowing a 3-1 series against a team that largely was not taken seriously as a true contender is a big deal and really blows to hell the notion that he is "inevitable".

Frankly it's still hard for me to imagine the Clippers losing Game 7 given how I've seen the teams, but if they do...

Why? I don't think the two situations are similar at all. Giannis played badly and couldn't overcome his weakness, for the second straight year. So it makes sense to re-evaluate how he stacks up against the best players in the world.

Kawhi on the other hand had an amazing first round and played 6 games already on an average level (for him). If he plays like poop but still get bailed out by his team, that shouldn't make him rank higher than if he lost and played godly.

Why? Because that's what happens. Forget about anything I've said about Kawhi's strengths and weaknesses, Kawhi is going to get re-evaluated if his team blows a 3-1 series lead to a team that wasn't seen as a real contender, particularly if it appears that Denver was easily the better team from their Game 5 run onward.

[Orin]

Jokers gotta be the most universally liked player on realgm right? In terms of people like to watch him play and no one really dislikes him. Just a fun player.

When Utah was leading 3-1, he was getting a lot of hate actually. "Wort defender in the league." "Most overrated player", "Soft", "Can't win with Jokic as your no1" . But yeah it's not nearly as bad as some other superstars.