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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2561 » by 76ciology » Sun Sep 13, 2020 5:20 pm

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76ciology wrote:Microball wont work.

Lakers shot 50% from the field on 60TS% in 5 games during the Rox series.


Do you consider the Celtics as playing micro ball? I do with Theis and Williams at 6'8.

I think they have the fire power, specifically with Gordon to make it a legit thing.

I think MDA is an absolute horrid coach. Followed him in NYC. You can say he didn't have adjustments to make, which is true on this team with personnel. But he has a history of not adjusting. Though mid range shots could've been one, when a team is literally giving it to you. Getting back in transition, could've been another, getting more off ball action from Harden.... Full court press, and traps to create turnovers and generate quicker shots. Posting Westbrook and Harden more.

I think Boston's definitely going to the finals this year. When Gordon returns, they will always have 2 strong, all around scorers on the court all game long... Which hurry them vs Toronto. Also Gordon's cutting and ability to attack inside would've helped vs the box and 1 defense.

They're willing to score on all three levels unlike Houston... willing to play with more pace than Houston...has more reliable multi faceted scorers than Houston. Also play better defensively than Houston, and you can rely on that, even if they're struggling offensively. They also have a real coach that can adjust.

I honestly can't see them beating the Lakers or Clippers, but it's not crazy if they do. I think the ultimate factor wouldn't be their size, but the fact that Tatum or Brown isn't ready to carry them vs Lebron or Kawhi at this point.


It’s partly MDA’s fault and partly because of analytics. I think the mistake with some people is they think like life is a math problem where you make the best decision based on what the numbers gave you.

The problem is.. there is this thing called “Ludic fallacy”, a term coined by Nassim Taleb. It’s that life has a lot of variables that I find that the numbers can cover.

The problem with guys like Morey, MDA and even Brett is they put so much value on the numbers. This makes them not flexible and tends to have a fixed mindset.

My guess is the Celtics will make the Finals. It’s just more entertaining and I find the league wants an exciting finals series to get the momentum going after all that’s happened. I don’t think they’re playing microball. Theis plays like an actual Center and can defend most of the Cs in the league.

I still find the way Heat is playing a gimmick, they’re team is built more to beat the Bucks than to make it to the finals or win the championship.

From the way I see it, I think Lakers will win this year’s championship. I like the way how they play. They can play Big or Small. And they just have a good counter for every card you throw at them. For instance if Clips plays with Zubac, then Lakers can go big. If the Clips plays with Harrell at C, AD should have the advantage. Then Lakers can again double Kawhi like how they did against Harden. Aside from having great basketball minds on the coaching staff they also have them with their scouting. I think they have several tricks up their sleeve to slow down Kawhi. One tactic I saw was forcing Kawhi left.

With the Raps winning it last year then the Lakers winning it this year, this gives the league a good balance of teams playing big and playing small. Should be a fun chess match every playoffs.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2562 » by Mik317 » Sun Sep 13, 2020 7:40 pm

Brett would be shot if we ever pulled a Clippers lol
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Post#2563 » by rzzzzz » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:16 pm

when I read Malone saying how much he likes seeing Jokic get into it, it reminds me how much I like to see Embiid enjoying himself.
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Post#2564 » by VDT » Sun Sep 13, 2020 8:52 pm

The Clippers dont have a system. Kawhi is largely an iso scorer. His is efficient but you need to have an actual system behind him. Even Jordan needed one to win. Having said that, all teams have significant flaws this year.

It just triggers me watching these playoffs because we could be contending if we had even an average GM.
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Post#2565 » by Kobblehead » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:53 pm

The Clippers have had no discipline or chemistry and have been an embarrassment to the NBA since they got to the bubble so it's not surprising to see them erratic in the playoffs. I still think they'll win based on having the best player in basketball, but I kinda hope they fall short. I don't want to see a team like them be rewarded.
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Post#2566 » by Arsenal » Sun Sep 13, 2020 11:59 pm

Kobblehead wrote:The Clippers have had no discipline or chemistry and have been an embarrassment to the NBA since they got to the bubble so it's not surprising to see them erratic in the playoffs. I still think they'll win based on having the best player in basketball, but I kinda hope they fall short. I don't want to see a team like them be rewarded.


I've changed my thinking from earlier in the season and now think the Lakers will beat them. They just aren't that impressive.

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Post#2567 » by Kobblehead » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:08 am

The Lakers have enough defenders to throw at them, but I just don't who on the Lakers is capable of going on the ball and getting buckets in the halfcourt in crucial possessions. Bron and Brow can combine to give them 50+, but I don't know who is scoring on those money possessions.
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Post#2568 » by 76ciology » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:42 am

Kobblehead wrote:The Lakers have enough defenders to throw at them, but I just don't who on the Lakers is capable of going on the ball and getting buckets in the halfcourt in crucial possessions. Bron and Brow can combine to give them 50+, but I don't know who is scoring on those money possessions.


With how the league is going small, both Bron and AD can get baskets at will.

Look at how the Nuggets was able to score 54% with how the Clips went small.

Both teams can run a 2 man action between Murray/Bron and AD/Jokic. And it’s been money.

This small ball has it’s drawbacks and the teams who are playing big can take advantage if they know how to play their cards.
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Re: Around the League - 2019-2020 

Post#2569 » by 76ciology » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:45 am

Mik317 wrote:Brett would be shot if we ever pulled a Clippers lol


I dont know Brett personally, but given how BC wanted him replaced like 3 seasons ago just confirms how bad he is as a coach.

He’s a great guy. A great teacher. But he’s expertise ends when a team tries to compete.
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Post#2570 » by 76ciology » Mon Sep 14, 2020 6:24 am

Jokic is better than Embiid on offense because he can score way more efficient than Embiid given his 50+FG% and 60TS%. Space the floor and get easy baskets for guys.

Just a constructive criticism. Biid can learn some from Jokic’s game on offense.

If Jokic is just simply better then Biid has to step up on defense, even literally

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Post#2571 » by phillynative » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:45 am

76ciology wrote:Jokic is better than Embiid on offense because he can score way more efficient than Embiid given his 50+FG% and 60TS%. Space the floor and get easy baskets for guys.

Just a constructive criticism. Biid can learn some from Jokic’s game on offense.

If Jokic is just simply better then Biid has to step up on defense, even literally



Jokic is argubly the best offensive big in the league. I hope Biid is was watching. What does the bolded mean?
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Post#2572 » by Bum Adebayo » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:57 am

Yeah the problem is that Embiid's elite defense is nowhere to be seen these days, so when comparing Embiid vs Jokic we need to assess actual productivity and not just go by reputation.
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Post#2573 » by 76ciology » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:45 pm

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76ciology wrote:Jokic is better than Embiid on offense because he can score way more efficient than Embiid given his 50+FG% and 60TS%. Space the floor and get easy baskets for guys.

Just a constructive criticism. Biid can learn some from Jokic’s game on offense.

If Jokic is just simply better then Biid has to step up on defense, even literally



Jokic is argubly the best offensive big in the league. I hope Biid is was watching. What does the bolded mean?


Hahaha sorry i meant.. biid has to step out on defense. He can’t just camp inside the paint.
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Post#2574 » by 76ciology » Mon Sep 14, 2020 12:49 pm

One thing is Jokic is not stubborn to keep forcing it inside on crucial moments. He is smart enough to know that the league favors the perimeter game down the stretch.

If you notice he had that turn around one legged shot. It’s not by accident. I think I saw him practicing those kind of shots during shoot arounds. This shot may look crazy but its tough to defend with the natural space created by turning your shoulder then you have you knees to create more extra space.

Biid says how we are always having bad lucks during down the stretch. It’s because we like to go against the current and force it inside. Smart coaches knew that refs will swallow their whistle on this moments.

I know most people hate Tobi. But atleast Tobi has been trying to expand his offense by learning how to get into the line more often and I saw him trying to develop a step back. I like that kind of improvements from both Biid and Ben.
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Post#2575 » by phillynative » Mon Sep 14, 2020 1:11 pm

76ciology wrote:One thing is Jokic is not stubborn to keep forcing it inside on crucial moments. He is smart enough to know that the league favors the perimeter game down the stretch.

If you notice he had that turn around one legged shot. It’s not by accident. I think I saw him practicing those kind of shots during shoot arounds. This shot may look crazy but its tough to defend with the natural space created by turning your shoulder then you have you knees to create more extra space.

Biid says how we are always having bad lucks during down the stretch. It’s because we like to go against the current and force it inside. Smart coaches knew that refs will swallow their whistle on this moments.

I know most people hate Tobi. But atleast Tobi has been trying to expand his offense by learning how to get into the line more often and I saw him trying to develop a step back. I like that kind of improvements from both Biid and Ben.


I agree I just dont want him to completely abandon his bread and butter. By the way jokic has the threat of his pass and a 3 way scorer in jamal murray.

After game 4 sweep . Embiid admitted he knows he cant just camp out in the paint the way the game is played today but he said hes willing to adapt and work on things because he always want to be a complete player. I find that promising, I dont consider him a stubborn player and he does work at it. I hope he also realizes he needs to drop 10 pounds.

Jokic and Embiid our not the same type of big but talent wise they are in the same boat. He will most likely never be the playmaker or even shooter but he can get better untill then you add those type of players around him. Another reason Im high on sixers acquiring chris paul.
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Post#2576 » by rzzzzz » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:50 pm

76ciology wrote:Hahaha sorry i meant.. biid has to step out on defense. He can’t just camp inside the paint.


this was exactly Biid's observation a couple of weeks ago. HE complained how staying back by the rim and not coming out was not working. (This, along with the athletic offensive moves he's capable of makes me at least curious what he might do with different schemes and line-ups than what we saw this summer. And even then, how much was he scoring and rebounding? And even Jokic gets winded.)
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Post#2577 » by Arsenal » Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:55 pm

76ciology wrote:One thing is Jokic is not stubborn to keep forcing it inside on crucial moments. He is smart enough to know that the league favors the perimeter game down the stretch.

If you notice he had that turn around one legged shot. It’s not by accident. I think I saw him practicing those kind of shots during shoot arounds. This shot may look crazy but its tough to defend with the natural space created by turning your shoulder then you have you knees to create more extra space.

Biid says how we are always having bad lucks during down the stretch. It’s because we like to go against the current and force it inside. Smart coaches knew that refs will swallow their whistle on this moments.

I know most people hate Tobi. But atleast Tobi has been trying to expand his offense by learning how to get into the line more often and I saw him trying to develop a step back. I like that kind of improvements from both Biid and Ben.


It's a good post until you ruin it with the bolded nonsense in your never ending quest to whitewash this organization's incompetence.

Tobias Harris had a ridiculously low .184 FTr this season, down from .245 the season before and his career rate of .238, which is also very low. To claim he is "learning how to get into the line more often" is blatantly false.
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Post#2578 » by 76ciology » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:36 pm

I have a feeling Jeff Van Gundy is auditioning to be the Rox coach
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Post#2579 » by 76ciology » Tue Sep 15, 2020 12:37 pm

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76ciology wrote:One thing is Jokic is not stubborn to keep forcing it inside on crucial moments. He is smart enough to know that the league favors the perimeter game down the stretch.

If you notice he had that turn around one legged shot. It’s not by accident. I think I saw him practicing those kind of shots during shoot arounds. This shot may look crazy but its tough to defend with the natural space created by turning your shoulder then you have you knees to create more extra space.

Biid says how we are always having bad lucks during down the stretch. It’s because we like to go against the current and force it inside. Smart coaches knew that refs will swallow their whistle on this moments.

I know most people hate Tobi. But atleast Tobi has been trying to expand his offense by learning how to get into the line more often and I saw him trying to develop a step back. I like that kind of improvements from both Biid and Ben.


It's a good post until you ruin it with the bolded nonsense in your never ending quest to whitewash this organization's incompetence.

Tobias Harris had a ridiculously low .184 FTr this season, down from .245 the season before and his career rate of .238, which is also very low. To claim he is "learning how to get into the line more often" is blatantly false.


Hmm..

im referring to his last few games to end this season. He didnt start trying to get to the line until recently (i believe it was reported during one of our last games heading to the playoffs) . Look at his numbers for his last 6-8 games games. He went to the line for around 5 FTAs per game during that stretch. Including multiple 7-8 FTAs games.

Another improvement for Harris is his defense. It is not elite like Ben’s but it made a big jump. You can see this on tape and on advanced stats like DRPM (3rd highest among SFs).
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Post#2580 » by Eyeamok » Tue Sep 15, 2020 2:30 pm

I'm sorry I did not watch any Denver games during the season. I would hear chatter about how good Jokic is and it would go in one ear and out the next. Then I'm actually watching him play and he is shooting 3 after 3 and it is hitting nothing but net. He's passing like a PG and I'm like WTF is going on here! It was amazing, it is amazing. I do recall when Murray came out. John Calipari said that Murray was the best player in the draft and the 76ers should draft him. I laughed because that is what your coach is supposed to say. But Murray is playing some truly, truly inspired basketball. Perhaps Calipari knows a thing or two about basketball.
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