2019-20 Season: Draft, Trades, and FA Ideas Thread V2

[Psubs]

For him it’s always been about his effort level. He can be a lazy player if I’m being honest. However, the skill and talent is there and he can create his own shot.

Getting him into our development program and around our culture may change that since he’s only 24 but, it could be possible that this is who he is.

I think we can move him for expirings pretty easily since he is still a 20+ ppg player. A small market team like Charlotte or Memphis might be willing to take a chance on him if he’s basically free.

No you can't move him. If it would be so Easy for expiring why hat the wolves so many problems. This contract in combination with his value is nearly 0. Why should Memphis get him with Winslow and Morant. They have a exciting team that nearly makes the postseason lol. Not even Charlotte would take him after the Batum fiasco. Everyone wants to keep the books clean rn. Especially small market teams because of covid.

The wolves didn’t have any problems moving him as they got Russell for him. I believe teams were offering them expiring contracts but they didn’t want that. They wanted to get value for him. That’s why he was hard to trade imo.

Who is Charlotte saving their cap space for? Who is signing in Memphis? They can take a chance on a young 20+ ppg scorer for 3 years when Morant is on his rookie contract. Memphis has a crazy amount of cap space in the coming off-seasons I think like $80 mill in 2021. This is also the team that paid Parsons a max contract with his injury history.

The effects of COVID for small market teams is something I didn’t think of so that’s a good point. They still have to spend to the cap floor so rather than spend it on an older vet they can take a chance on a 24 year old.

Charlotte is a good idea. If GS really wants to fit Giannis, now is the time to dump Wiggins.

GS trades: Andrew Wiggins, Cash and 2021 2nd pick (likely end of the 2nd round)
Charlotte trades: Nicholas Batum (expiring) and #32 (essentially a 2020 1st pick)

[HeadtopChunes]

i dont think GSW will dump Wiggins tbh

Wiggins is not a future star but he's not ass either, he's just an okay starting wing. Kinda like Harrison Barnes. He's hilariously overpaid as such and thus has no trade value. But there's no need to dump him.

I suspect they want Wiggy to take the Barnes role from the 16 team while shopping the #2 pick and maybe trading him if it makes sense.

[Mattatron]

No you can't move him. If it would be so Easy for expiring why hat the wolves so many problems. This contract in combination with his value is nearly 0. Why should Memphis get him with Winslow and Morant. They have a exciting team that nearly makes the postseason lol. Not even Charlotte would take him after the Batum fiasco. Everyone wants to keep the books clean rn. Especially small market teams because of covid.

The wolves didn’t have any problems moving him as they got Russell for him. I believe teams were offering them expiring contracts but they didn’t want that. They wanted to get value for him. That’s why he was hard to trade imo.

Who is Charlotte saving their cap space for? Who is signing in Memphis? They can take a chance on a young 20+ ppg scorer for 3 years when Morant is on his rookie contract. Memphis has a crazy amount of cap space in the coming off-seasons I think like $80 mill in 2021. This is also the team that paid Parsons a max contract with his injury history.

The effects of COVID for small market teams is something I didn’t think of so that’s a good point. They still have to spend to the cap floor so rather than spend it on an older vet they can take a chance on a 24 year old.

Charlotte is a good idea. If GS really wants to fit Giannis, now is the time to dump Wiggins.

GS trades: Andrew Wiggins, Cash and 2021 2nd pick (likely end of the 2nd round)
Charlotte trades: Nicholas Batum (expiring) and #32 (essentially a 2020 1st pick)

Wiggins was not the reason, that the warriors traded Russell to the Wolves. It was the protected top 3 pick 2021 from the wolves (much worth). The warriors knew they will be trash so Wiggins can play high minutes and maybe show his talent. But there is really nothing. I mean, poor development staff in Minnesota, maybe that's a problem too, but it's been 6 years since he's been drafted and theres no progress or any flashes of willing and hard work. Just a minus player.

Why Charlotte? Why should the hornets do a dumb move like this after years with the Batum contract, Biyombo contract etc. I think they learned from this.

Memphis: Wiggins is just a bad fit next to Morant, Morant needs lot more spacing, cause he drives a lot into the paint. And they have Winslow at the 4. Someone cheaper and with a better impact.

[jimmy keys]

FVV to Chicago for their 2021 FRP.

If we trade Lowry to GS I'd want the MIN 2021 pick + another future pick for taking on Wiggins.

Re-tool around Siakam & OG + 3 top 20 picks in 2021. If Giannis is still possible than use a future pick to move Wiggins down the road, worst case they can waive stretch him to create room.

I want to see Masai at the 2021 draft with tons of picks. Very deep class.

[nabbs]

- Sign and trades are very unlikely this year. I really don't think it's worth considering

- On top of that, Fred is not being S&T. Higher likelihood he just leaves outright and even that won't happen imo.


The most likely things imo are trading down in the draft and/or gauging the trade market for Norm. Moving him would allow management to consider long term money on Fred + may help in extending OG this year should they decide to do it.

[StopitLeo]

Heres a blockbuster GSW-PHI-TOR deal from the Trade Board that may be interesting:

The trade:

GSW incoming: Al Horford, Matisse Thybulle, 2020 21st pick (via PHI)
PHI incoming: Kyle Lowry, 2020 29th pick (via TOR)
TOR incoming: Wiggins, 2020 2nd pick (via GSW)

I would say no simply because Wiggins has been in the league for 6 years and has hardly improved. Toronto has shown they want 2-way players and guys who work hard and give effort on both ends. That's not Wiggins.

[nabbs]

Heres a blockbuster GSW-PHI-TOR deal from the Trade Board that may be interesting:

The trade:

GSW incoming: Al Horford, Matisse Thybulle, 2020 21st pick (via PHI)
PHI incoming: Kyle Lowry, 2020 29th pick (via TOR)
TOR incoming: Wiggins, 2020 2nd pick (via GSW)

I would say no simply because Wiggins has been in the league for 6 years and has hardly improved. Toronto has shown they want 2-way players and guys who work hard and give effort on both ends. That's not Wiggins.

I swear to god if I see another Wiggins trade with us taking him lmao

[Rapsfan07]

Not sure why people are so upset about this Wiggins deal.

Giannis to Toronto is not guaranteed... I hope you all know that. If he doesn't come, the 2nd overall pick is a good piece to have for the eventual rebuild.

I don't like Wiggins anymore than the rest of you on here but what else are we supposed to do? At least with Wiggins we get a 20+ppg scoring wing who can be packaged in a S&T or just a straight up deal for the next star that becomes available.

Because other than that, Lowry expires, we get absolutely nothing for him and it's back to tanking.

So let's take the emotion out of it and think for a second

[HeadtopChunes]

Not sure why people are so upset about this Wiggins deal.

Giannis to Toronto is not guaranteed... I hope you all know that. If he doesn't come, the 2nd overall pick is a good piece to have for the eventual rebuild.

I don't like Wiggins anymore than the rest of you on here but what else are we supposed to do? At least with Wiggins we get a 20+ppg scoring wing who can be packaged in a S&T or just a straight up deal for the next star that becomes available.

Because other than that, Lowry expires, we get absolutely nothing for him and it's back to tanking.

So let's take the emotion out of it and think for a second

because its a panic move tbh

sometimes no move is better than a bad one.

Wiggins is whatever but he's limits our financial flexibility and thus our ceiling. Missing out on a talent like Giannis for the safety of Wiggins and a likely mediocre prospect just doesn't make sense.

[Psubs]

Not sure why people are so upset about this Wiggins deal.

Giannis to Toronto is not guaranteed... I hope you all know that. If he doesn't come, the 2nd overall pick is a good piece to have for the eventual rebuild.

I don't like Wiggins anymore than the rest of you on here but what else are we supposed to do? At least with Wiggins we get a 20+ppg scoring wing who can be packaged in a S&T or just a straight up deal for the next star that becomes available.

Because other than that, Lowry expires, we get absolutely nothing for him and it's back to tanking.

So let's take the emotion out of it and think for a second

It's giving up on Giannis or any other FA beyond the MLE.

Also trading Lowry for Wiggins and 2nd pick only; no need to give up #29 because of the financial burden.

[Red_Claw]

I shouldn't have to say this but Kyle Lowry is the greatest Raptor of all time. He will not be traded unless he wants to be traded and he deserves that privilege.

Next year's team will probably be a little less successful than this years but we should be holding out for Giannis if our odds are good at getting him.

- Its Fred's time to maximize his contract, its just not in the Raptors best interest to help him with that so i think he's gone.
- Gasol needs to retire.
- Serge has turned into a very productive center when he takes the shots he's given. Hopefully he would rather stay and not follow the money.
The rest of the team minus Lowry has room to grow and as long as our culture stays the same, they will improve in time for Giannis to join and make another run at the ship.

Extend OG - 4 yr/60mil
Resign Boucher - 2 yr/14 mil
Resign Serge - 3 yr/45 mil
Resign Watson - 3 yr/6 mil
Sign Tristan Thompson - 2 year MLE

Lowry/Davis/ (2ndRP)
Powell/Thomas/McCaw
OG/Watson/Johnson
Siakam/Boucher/Hernandez
Serge/Thompson/FRP (*Jaren Smith)

*Could go PG route instead of C but i see Smith as a Serge clone who can replace him sooner than later.

Won't get as many wins but thats at least a 2 round exit team right there.

[Kevin Willis]

I know someone must have mentioned this already but signing Jacob to replace Gasol is not a bad idea. Their output was similar last season but Jacob will be much, much cheaper. He's a rfa but San Antonio will probably let him walk.

[TrustFundBaby]

Wiggins is the PANAC button for every Raptors fan, whenever we shamble people always post trades for him

I know, cus in 2018 I was calling for DD for Wiggins

[Rapsfan07]

Not sure why people are so upset about this Wiggins deal.

Giannis to Toronto is not guaranteed... I hope you all know that. If he doesn't come, the 2nd overall pick is a good piece to have for the eventual rebuild.

I don't like Wiggins anymore than the rest of you on here but what else are we supposed to do? At least with Wiggins we get a 20+ppg scoring wing who can be packaged in a S&T or just a straight up deal for the next star that becomes available.

Because other than that, Lowry expires, we get absolutely nothing for him and it's back to tanking.

So let's take the emotion out of it and think for a second

because its a panic move tbh

sometimes no move is better than a bad one.

Wiggins is whatever but he's limits our financial flexibility and thus our ceiling. Missing out on a talent like Giannis for the safety of Wiggins and a likely mediocre prospect just doesn't make sense.

I don't see how it's a panic move. Let me explain.

Our financial flexibility is not a huge concern of mine. Toronto has not ever signed a marquee free agent outside of arguably Turkoglu who we had to overpay by a lot... we all know how that turned out. On the other side of things, management is conceivably entertaining the idea of re-upping at least FVV, if not Ibaka as well. Should they be successful in retaining even one, we've already limited our future flexibility and ceiling. We've already seen how good we are when FVV and Ibaka are some of our best players without a superstar on the roster.

Now I'm not saying Wiggins is it. As a matter a fact, I'll go on record and say I don't think he's it at all. However, him and the 2nd overall pick is a very nice package to trade to Milwaukee. As much as they're saying they won't trade him, I call BS. Giannis is one of the best Bucks to ever put on a uniform and I just don't buy that they're going to risk letting him walk for nothing. In any case, if I'm wrong and they do go all in next year for a championship and fail, Giannis could always ask for a S&T to Toronto in a package that would involve Wiggins and maybe whoever we choose at #2. It takes us out of the FA game, a game we have never really had success in anyway, and puts us in the trade game. If the Bucks don't want to trade Giannis here, we can offload salary using our picks to clear capspace to sign him.

This deal for me is more about getting high value for Lowry than it is about Wiggins.

Not sure why people are so upset about this Wiggins deal.

Giannis to Toronto is not guaranteed... I hope you all know that. If he doesn't come, the 2nd overall pick is a good piece to have for the eventual rebuild.

I don't like Wiggins anymore than the rest of you on here but what else are we supposed to do? At least with Wiggins we get a 20+ppg scoring wing who can be packaged in a S&T or just a straight up deal for the next star that becomes available.

Because other than that, Lowry expires, we get absolutely nothing for him and it's back to tanking.

So let's take the emotion out of it and think for a second

It's giving up on Giannis or any other FA beyond the MLE.

Also trading Lowry for Wiggins and 2nd pick only; no need to give up #29 because of the financial burden.

Any FA beyond the MLE isn't going to help us. We have quite a few quality supporting pieces and there are some guys that will be available pretty cheaply this offseason that we can offer small contracts to.

But I do agree on this - if we're taking back Wiggins, we don't need to give up #29. Taking on all that money is risky and expensive enough without having to include our pick. And seeing as GSW would get more value out of Horford than Wiggins and PHI will get more value out of Lowry than Horford, I can't see the deal being quashed because we don't want to throw in #29.

[rage2021]

Adam Silver has to do something about the competitive balance with large 'attractive' markets vs everyone else. I would classify the large ones as

LA (Both)
NY (Both)
Miami
GSW

So roughly 6 teams have a competitive advantage in signing free agents because of different circumstances (weather, taxes, lifestyle etc)

This sucks for everyone else. you obviously cant compete in those areas so NBA needs to give the other teams more tax breaks/higher salary caps to compensate.

[Saul Goodman]

I know he has his blemishes but how would you feel about swinging Harden trade if he became available? we would have some assets and we can structure it to where we could also afford Giannis




Something like a 3 way deal?





To Houston
OG Annunoby
Lauri Markannen
Thad Young
#29
2022 Raptors 1st
2024 pick swap



To Toronto:
James Harden



To Chicago
Fred Van Vleet sign and trade




resign Ibaka to a one year 28 mill deal




Ibaka
Siakam
Powell
Harden/Thomas
Lowry/Davis



this team can 100% make it to the finals next season. also we keep an open max slot for Giannis. despite Giannis and Harden having past beef, those two are basketball kindred spirits.

[douggood]

Adam Silver has to do something about the competitive balance with large 'attractive' markets vs everyone else. I would classify the large ones as

LA (Both)
NY (Both)
Miami
GSW

So roughly 6 teams have a competitive advantage in signing free agents because of different circumstances (weather, taxes, lifestyle etc)

This sucks for everyone else. you obviously cant compete in those areas so NBA needs to give the other teams more tax breaks/higher salary caps to compensate.

outside of the lakers i wouldnt say a team has a competitive advantage.

clippers up to now didnt, kawhi changed that, but even still he was drawn to lakers.

Knicks havent done anything in so long.

gsw are a draw in recent year, were they are draw before the Steve kerr/curry era?

orlando has most of the advantages of miami.


the common factor among all the "attractive teams" are that they are run well.

[rage2021]

Adam Silver has to do something about the competitive balance with large 'attractive' markets vs everyone else. I would classify the large ones as

LA (Both)
NY (Both)
Miami
GSW

So roughly 6 teams have a competitive advantage in signing free agents because of different circumstances (weather, taxes, lifestyle etc)

This sucks for everyone else. you obviously cant compete in those areas so NBA needs to give the other teams more tax breaks/higher salary caps to compensate.

outside of the lakers i wouldnt say a team has a competitive advantage.

clippers up to now didnt, kawhi changed that, but even still he was drawn to lakers.

Knicks havent done anything in so long.

gsw are a draw in recent year, were they are draw before the Steve kerr/curry era?

orlando has most of the advantages of miami.


the common factor among all the "attractive teams" are that they are run well.

Jimmy Buckets went to Miami because of the lifestyle, weather, taxes. its an unfair advantage.

where do you think PG, Kawhi, Giannis , LebRon etc will choose to play if they had their choice?

Suyre the hometown discount where the place drafted you has advantage but after that, who legitimately has a shot? there are alot of well run franchies outside of those cities that will never see the light of day for top free agents.

[douggood]

Adam Silver has to do something about the competitive balance with large 'attractive' markets vs everyone else. I would classify the large ones as

LA (Both)
NY (Both)
Miami
GSW

So roughly 6 teams have a competitive advantage in signing free agents because of different circumstances (weather, taxes, lifestyle etc)

This sucks for everyone else. you obviously cant compete in those areas so NBA needs to give the other teams more tax breaks/higher salary caps to compensate.

outside of the lakers i wouldnt say a team has a competitive advantage.

clippers up to now didnt, kawhi changed that, but even still he was drawn to lakers.

Knicks havent done anything in so long.

gsw are a draw in recent year, were they are draw before the Steve kerr/curry era?

orlando has most of the advantages of miami.


the common factor among all the "attractive teams" are that they are run well.

Jimmy Buckets went to Miami because of the lifestyle, weather, taxes. its an unfair advantage.

where do you think PG, Kawhi, Giannis , LebRon etc will choose to play if they had their choice?

Suyre the hometown discount where the place drafted you has advantage but after that, who legitimately has a shot? there are alot of well run franchies outside of those cities that will never see the light of day for top free agents.

orlando has the same advantages of miami, where are the stars lining up to play there?

given the choices they all would choose the lakers over the clippers.

its lakers and then who ever is run well, there was a time phx suns were the GSW of the era. Knicks in the in ewing era were a draw.

[bboyskinnylegs]

I have no idea how much they'll command in free agency, but what about Bertans, Harris, Giles? Any other interesting UFAs we could try to acquire on reasonable deals?