Mattya wrote:KGdaBom wrote:Mattya wrote:1. Well prepare for your load of BS posts..
So now we are clear you don’t know what fallacies and strawman arguements are we can move on.
2. Sure, you can use stats however you damn well please, it just means others can ignore you when you lack the understanding of how to actually interpret them. That’s more of a you problem though.
3. I’m not the one that has to prove something. You said he was as awful as the experts say. The onus is on you to make your points you rambled on about Dayton being highly ranked or some garbage.
4. Here is the problem as to why you don’t understand what a straw man is. I never said you thought he was a good defender. I directly quoted you saying he wasn’t that awful and wanted an explanation, then you ended up baiting yourself into comparing his defensive rating to Okongwu, that’s all on you bud.
1. You just supported my points. Thank you. I didn't say anything about those posts representing your opinion or proving anything. The first post was sarcasm in support of my argument that he was a net positive and I doubt if Dayton would have done so well if he wasn't. The second is a very mild exaggeration of your stance about how horrible, awful etc. his defense was. They were both sarcastic and you have some huge interpretation issues if you didn't get that.
2 You wanted facts. I gave you facts.
3. You were the one who was talking about facts as if you were providing some facts that proved something.
4 Read my post again. You need to define what "That" means before you can argue this with any credibility. Baiting myself into comparing his stats with Okongwu LMAO. That was just facts that you requested. I'm going to help you out and define "that". His defense isn't so bad that it negates his offense. If you think it is then we have established what we disagree about. So now that we are armed with the definition of "that" how about we discuss the merits of Toppin instead of making personal attacks.
I never once argued how good or bad his defense was. I did acknowledge it wasn't a strength is about it. My argument was about how good a player Toppin is and my opinion is he is a quite good player.
1. You literally did. Realize you have now triple downed on not knowing what fallacies or straw man arguments are. I know it’s frustrating when people don’t respond to your fallacies it completely negates their usefulness.
2. And 3, You gave me defensive rating. Then used it incorrectly
that doesn’t tell me anything about Toppins horrible pick and roll defense. Onus is still on you to support your argument contrary to expert opinion.
4. After all the times you’ve insulted me and trolled me on here and in DMs you can miss me with you’re little pity party for getting called out for making a stupid arguments and not being able to stay on the topic you actually argued.
5. No, you said he wasn’t that awful defensively, so unless you want to actually address his defensive shortcomings I’ll take it you are just trying to change the subject that YOU ARGUED because you can’t actually defend your claim. Now the claim is morphing into his “offense outweighs his defense.”
Mattya we could keep going over this forever.
1 I literally didn't. I know what fallacies are. I was the top student in my college class of 100 for logic. Never even got one question wrong throughout the class. You are making assumptions about things I never said. You may feel I implied them, but that's on you. It really makes me angry when people attribute things to me I never said.
2 I simply gave the facts. I didn't use them in any way.
3 I wasn't concerned about his Pick and roll defense. You were. My argument was never about his defense. It was always from the very start that his offense outweighed any defensive deficiencies he might have.
4 The topic is 2020 NBA draft prospects. You wanted to isolate his defense. I was never interested in that. I've never once trolled you. I don't know if I ever insulted you, but maybe.
5. I said exactly this. His defense isn't that bad. I defined that bad as being bad enough to negate his offense. No changing the subject and no way of proving I'm right or wrong. The best indicator we have is his ORtg of 125.5 and DRtg of 90.5. So how about stopping this idea that this is in some way a provable thing. It isn't. It's opinion. You can claim you're going off of experts, but that doesn't prove anything. Did these experts say his defense negated his offense. I will take that into limited consideration if they did.
So can we discuss Toppin the 2020 draft prospect in whole or not. If not we drop it. If so I'm happy to discuss with you.
