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Saul Goodman wrote:I know he has his blemishes but how would you feel about swinging Harden trade if he became available? we would have some assets and we can structure it to where we could also afford Giannis
StopitLeo wrote:Saul Goodman wrote:I know he has his blemishes but how would you feel about swinging Harden trade if he became available? we would have some assets and we can structure it to where we could also afford Giannis
You can’t win in the playoffs with Harden’s game. Tbh I’d rather take Westbrook between the two
StopitLeo wrote:Saul Goodman wrote:I know he has his blemishes but how would you feel about swinging Harden trade if he became available? we would have some assets and we can structure it to where we could also afford Giannis
You can’t win in the playoffs with Harden’s game. Tbh I’d rather take Westbrook between the two
Saul Goodman wrote:StopitLeo wrote:Saul Goodman wrote:I know he has his blemishes but how would you feel about swinging Harden trade if he became available? we would have some assets and we can structure it to where we could also afford Giannis
You can’t win in the playoffs with Harden’s game. Tbh I’d rather take Westbrook between the two
haha no thanks to Westbrook ever. I think the Eastern conference, Nick Nurse, and our better supporting cast can really make a diference. He was on a team that almost toppled the greatest team of all time just 2 years ago.
Klaw22 wrote:Psubs wrote:Raptors_128 wrote:
The wolves didn’t have any problems moving him as they got Russell for him. I believe teams were offering them expiring contracts but they didn’t want that. They wanted to get value for him. That’s why he was hard to trade imo.
Who is Charlotte saving their cap space for? Who is signing in Memphis? They can take a chance on a young 20+ ppg scorer for 3 years when Morant is on his rookie contract. Memphis has a crazy amount of cap space in the coming off-seasons I think like $80 mill in 2021. This is also the team that paid Parsons a max contract with his injury history.
The effects of COVID for small market teams is something I didn’t think of so that’s a good point. They still have to spend to the cap floor so rather than spend it on an older vet they can take a chance on a 24 year old.
Charlotte is a good idea. If GS really wants to fit Giannis, now is the time to dump Wiggins.
GS trades: Andrew Wiggins, Cash and 2021 2nd pick (likely end of the 2nd round)
Charlotte trades: Nicholas Batum (expiring) and #32 (essentially a 2020 1st pick)
Wiggins was not the reason, that the warriors traded Russell to the Wolves. It was the protected top 3 pick 2021 from the wolves (much worth). The warriors knew they will be trash so Wiggins can play high minutes and maybe show his talent. But there is really nothing. I mean, poor development staff in Minnesota, maybe that's a problem too, but it's been 6 years since he's been drafted and theres no progress or any flashes of willing and hard work. Just a minus player.
Why Charlotte? Why should the hornets do a dumb move like this after years with the Batum contract, Biyombo contract etc. I think they learned from this.
Memphis: Wiggins is just a bad fit next to Morant, Morant needs lot more spacing, cause he drives a lot into the paint. And they have Winslow at the 4. Someone cheaper and with a better impact.
bboyskinnylegs wrote:I have no idea how much they'll command in free agency, but what about Bertans, Harris, Giles? Any other interesting UFAs we could try to acquire on reasonable deals?
Rapsfan07 wrote:HeadtopChunes wrote:Rapsfan07 wrote:Not sure why people are so upset about this Wiggins deal.
Giannis to Toronto is not guaranteed... I hope you all know that. If he doesn't come, the 2nd overall pick is a good piece to have for the eventual rebuild.
I don't like Wiggins anymore than the rest of you on here but what else are we supposed to do? At least with Wiggins we get a 20+ppg scoring wing who can be packaged in a S&T or just a straight up deal for the next star that becomes available.
Because other than that, Lowry expires, we get absolutely nothing for him and it's back to tanking.
So let's take the emotion out of it and think for a second
because its a panic move tbh
sometimes no move is better than a bad one.
Wiggins is whatever but he's limits our financial flexibility and thus our ceiling. Missing out on a talent like Giannis for the safety of Wiggins and a likely mediocre prospect just doesn't make sense.
I don't see how it's a panic move. Let me explain.
Our financial flexibility is not a huge concern of mine. Toronto has not ever signed a marquee free agent outside of arguably Turkoglu who we had to overpay by a lot... we all know how that turned out. On the other side of things, management is conceivably entertaining the idea of re-upping at least FVV, if not Ibaka as well. Should they be successful in retaining even one, we've already limited our future flexibility and ceiling. We've already seen how good we are when FVV and Ibaka are some of our best players without a superstar on the roster.
Now I'm not saying Wiggins is it. As a matter a fact, I'll go on record and say I don't think he's it at all. However, him and the 2nd overall pick is a very nice package to trade to Milwaukee. As much as they're saying they won't trade him, I call BS. Giannis is one of the best Bucks to ever put on a uniform and I just don't buy that they're going to risk letting him walk for nothing. In any case, if I'm wrong and they do go all in next year for a championship and fail, Giannis could always ask for a S&T to Toronto in a package that would involve Wiggins and maybe whoever we choose at #2. It takes us out of the FA game, a game we have never really had success in anyway, and puts us in the trade game. If the Bucks don't want to trade Giannis here, we can offload salary using our picks to clear capspace to sign him.
This deal for me is more about getting high value for Lowry than it is about Wiggins.
Rapsfan07 wrote:bboyskinnylegs wrote:I have no idea how much they'll command in free agency, but what about Bertans, Harris, Giles? Any other interesting UFAs we could try to acquire on reasonable deals?
PG - Frank Jackson, Kris Dunn, Shabazz Napier
SG/SF - Josh Jackson, Glenn Robinson III, Justin Holiday, Mo Harkless
PF- Noah Vonleh, Bobby Portis
C - Harry Giles III, Nerlens Noel, Willy Hernangomez
Bertans, Harris and the like are going to likely be way out of our budget.
VintageVince wrote:I want Aaron Baynes.
Aaron Bayes is our answer at the Center spot. He can shoot the three, defend and should not come at an expensive price.
SIGN ME UP
LoveMyRaps wrote:Acquiring Jrue Holiday should be our top priority this offseason.
Lowry/FVV + Powell + 1st + 2nd
for
Holiday + Ball
Rapsfan07 wrote:LoveMyRaps wrote:Acquiring Jrue Holiday should be our top priority this offseason.
Lowry/FVV + Powell + 1st + 2nd
for
Holiday + Ball
Can't see NOLA making this move for an aging Lowry and I don't want to pay the mark up for Ball.
Don't want to include FVV if I don't have to.
I prefer to see if we can work something out around Ibaka and #29. Favors is expiring and the team can use the veteran experience.
Raptors_128 wrote:Klaw22 wrote:Psubs wrote:
Charlotte is a good idea. If GS really wants to fit Giannis, now is the time to dump Wiggins.
GS trades: Andrew Wiggins, Cash and 2021 2nd pick (likely end of the 2nd round)
Charlotte trades: Nicholas Batum (expiring) and #32 (essentially a 2020 1st pick)
Wiggins was not the reason, that the warriors traded Russell to the Wolves. It was the protected top 3 pick 2021 from the wolves (much worth). The warriors knew they will be trash so Wiggins can play high minutes and maybe show his talent. But there is really nothing. I mean, poor development staff in Minnesota, maybe that's a problem too, but it's been 6 years since he's been drafted and theres no progress or any flashes of willing and hard work. Just a minus player.
Why Charlotte? Why should the hornets do a dumb move like this after years with the Batum contract, Biyombo contract etc. I think they learned from this.
Memphis: Wiggins is just a bad fit next to Morant, Morant needs lot more spacing, cause he drives a lot into the paint. And they have Winslow at the 4. Someone cheaper and with a better impact.
Okay but that’s why some of us are interested. We want that #2 pick. We’re not trading for Wiggins because we think he’s some great player. If he figures it out here, great. We’ll have another trade piece or a long term piece to grow with OG/Siakam.
We need high lottery picks for a chance at a true star. We can only do so much drafting at the end of the first round. I want a Tatum or Donovan Mitchell type player. This would be our best chance at that. Give Masai a high lottery pick and lets see what happens.
I don’t know why you think it’s dumb for Charlotte or Memphis. They are a young team in a small market with their young players on their rookie contracts. It’s a no-brainer for me. He’s 24 and has crazy potential if he ever puts it all together. Why wouldn’t you take a chance on that if you’re essentially rebuilding? None of those teams are in win-now mode. He’s a 6-8 20+ ppg scorer on average efficiency. That’s has to have some value in this league.
Raptorfan2012 wrote:The more I think about it, so long as Nurse and Lowry are on this team, Fred is going to be our starting SG, and I really don't want to see that anymore. I rather just let Fred walk instead.
Going to make my pitch here for Bogdan Bogdanovic. 6'6 28 year old shooting guard who averaged 15.1 points on 29 mins, 37.2% from 3, 44.0$ FG%. Also 3.4 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 1.0 steals. He is an RFA, but Kings already paid Buddy and will have to pay Fox next season. How much are the Kings willing to spend to bring back Bogdan? Divac is no longer their GM, so not sure what their priorities are in keeping Bogdan.
Guy is pretty clutch:
Guy also led Team Serbia in last year's FIBA world cup:
He also led the US-Serbia game with 28 points for the win.
We really need a guy who can create his own offense (so Pascal won't have to anymore), and Bogdan can do that. His 3 point shooting will also look very nice next to a guy like Giannis. I don't think Bogdan will cost nearly as much as Fred, so we save a bit of money here as well. Also possible we try to do a sign and trade with Norm going to the Kings (they may like Norm's championship experience, and Norm fits better behind Buddy than Bogdan does).
Raptorfan2012 wrote:The more I think about it, so long as Nurse and Lowry are on this team, Fred is going to be our starting SG, and I really don't want to see that anymore. I rather just let Fred walk instead.
Going to make my pitch here for Bogdan Bogdanovic. 6'6 28 year old shooting guard who averaged 15.1 points on 29 mins, 37.2% from 3, 44.0$ FG%. Also 3.4 rebounds, 3.4 assists, 1.0 steals. He is an RFA, but Kings already paid Buddy and will have to pay Fox next season. How much are the Kings willing to spend to bring back Bogdan? Divac is no longer their GM, so not sure what their priorities are in keeping Bogdan.
Guy is pretty clutch:
Guy also led Team Serbia in last year's FIBA world cup:
He also led the US-Serbia game with 28 points for the win.
We really need a guy who can create his own offense (so Pascal won't have to anymore), and Bogdan can do that. His 3 point shooting will also look very nice next to a guy like Giannis. I don't think Bogdan will cost nearly as much as Fred, so we save a bit of money here as well. Also possible we try to do a sign and trade with Norm going to the Kings (they may like Norm's championship experience, and Norm fits better behind Buddy than Bogdan does).
