Raptors really picked Bruno and Daniels over Jokic.

VancouverRaps · Post #21 » by **VancouverRaps** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:07 pm

ATLTimekeeper wrote:
NUCKER101 wrote:You’re acting like he was projected to go around that range. It’s like blaming the Pistons for not drafting FVV in the 1st or early 2nd.

You can make a case for the Daniels pick maybe but definitely not the Bruno pick.

Where was Bruno projected to go again?

I believe early-mid 2nd lol

Still though, doesn’t mean that Jokic counts as a miss for that pick. I can buy Daniels over Jokic being a miss but that’s about it

Pooh_Jeter · Post #22 » by **Pooh_Jeter** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:16 pm

I thought only Masai was capable of getting value in the 2nd round/from undrafted players? Every other GM is a peasant compared to the all mighty Masai Ujiri!

OakleyDokely · Post #23 » by **OakleyDokely** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:23 pm

Pooh_Jeter wrote:I thought only Masai was capable of getting value in the 2nd round/from undrafted players? Every other GM is a peasant compared to the all mighty Masai Ujiri!

You're a broken record who ruìns every thread.

Grew · Post #24 » by **Grew** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:41 pm

Really hard to tell Jokic was going to be able to make it in the league. He looks like an undersized C who can't move his feet with a hella awkward offensive game no one could have guessed would transfer to the NBA like it has. Really his passing seems like the one thing that would turn some heads.
No way would I have been betting that oompaloompa looking ma'f'er would be a top 3 center in the league today.

Danny1616 · Post #25 » by **Danny1616** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:46 pm

OP, did you know that in 2016 Denver picked Juan Hernangomez with the 14th pick and Petr Corneile with the 53rd pick?

Denver passed on Levert, Pascal, Brogdon and Vanvleet.

Close this thread, captain hindsight.

So stupid.

Danny1616 · Post #26 » by **Danny1616** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:47 pm

Pooh_Jeter wrote:I thought only Masai was capable of getting value in the 2nd round/from undrafted players? Every other GM is a peasant compared to the all mighty Masai Ujiri!

Raptors have the #1 record in the NBA since 2016 and that's without having a single lottery pick.

Nobody here is claiming Masai has never made mistakes, but it's insanely stupid of you to act like Masai is not a great GM.

Pooh_Jeter · Post #27 » by **Pooh_Jeter** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 9:58 pm

Danny1616 wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:I thought only Masai was capable of getting value in the 2nd round/from undrafted players? Every other GM is a peasant compared to the all mighty Masai Ujiri!

Raptors have the #1 record in the NBA since 2016 and that's without having a single lottery pick.

Nobody here is claiming Masai has never made mistakes, but it's insanely stupid of you to act like Masai is not a great GM.

Depends on your definition of great. Masai is somewhere in the 8-12 range of executives in this league. I'd say he is more above average than anything.

Steven1562 · Post #28 » by **Steven1562** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:01 pm

40 other teams missed on him too. If we had picked Jokic everybody on here would have been like why did we draft the fat Bargs from Serbia. The draft is an inexact science we don't know how good these guys will be until 3-4 years down the line. Masai swung for the fences on Bruno's long ass arms. He missed but he also drafted an all star from New mexico state that nobody had on the radar. Signed some undrafted kid from Rockford Illinois who was huge in last years playoffs. I'm willing to bet we will hit again because our development system with the Raptors 905 is so good.

Danny1616 · Post #29 » by **Danny1616** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:18 pm

Pooh_Jeter wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:I thought only Masai was capable of getting value in the 2nd round/from undrafted players? Every other GM is a peasant compared to the all mighty Masai Ujiri!

Raptors have the #1 record in the NBA since 2016 and that's without having a single lottery pick.

Nobody here is claiming Masai has never made mistakes, but it's insanely stupid of you to act like Masai is not a great GM.

Depends on your definition of great. Masai is somewhere in the 8-12 range of executives in this league. I'd say he is more above average than anything.

8-12 range?

Okay so name me 8 GM's that have done more than Masai over the past 7 years. I want you to list all their accomplishments and compare side by side to Masai.

The only GMs/Presidents that can rival Masai's resume of the past 7 years are Ainge, Riley, West, Presti, and Morey.

Oh and none of those GMs/Presidents apart from West have actually managed to win a chip during that period.

random_hero891 · Post #30 » by **random_hero891** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:20 pm

he went 41st overall, so most gm's passed on him

Pooh_Jeter · Post #31 » by **Pooh_Jeter** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:23 pm

Danny1616 wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
Raptors have the #1 record in the NBA since 2016 and that's without having a single lottery pick.

Nobody here is claiming Masai has never made mistakes, but it's insanely stupid of you to act like Masai is not a great GM.

Depends on your definition of great. Masai is somewhere in the 8-12 range of executives in this league. I'd say he is more above average than anything.

8-12 range.

Okay so name me 8 GM's that have done more than Masai over the past 7 years. I want you to list all their accomplishments and compare side by side to Masai.

Lmao, if I don't get it to you by Friday at 4PM will my final mark be withheld?

Ainge, Riley, Nelson, Myers, Buford, Marks, take your pick of Nuggets executives, Morey, Horst, Presti and Olshey. The first 5 are absolutely better than him and it's not an argument. I'd probably have Masai 9th or 10th.

will · Post #32 » by **will** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:24 pm

Y'all really love that what if/shoulda/woulda/coulda game, huh?

Danny1616 · Post #33 » by **Danny1616** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:25 pm

Pooh_Jeter wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:
Depends on your definition of great. Masai is somewhere in the 8-12 range of executives in this league. I'd say he is more above average than anything.

8-12 range.

Okay so name me 8 GM's that have done more than Masai over the past 7 years. I want you to list all their accomplishments and compare side by side to Masai.

Lmao, if I don't get it to you by Friday at 4PM will my final mark be withheld?

Ainge, Riley, Nelson, Myers, Buford, Marks, take your pick of Nuggets executives, Morey, Horst, Presti and Olshey. The first 5 are absolutely better than him and it's not an argument. I'd probably have Masai 9th or 10th.

List all their accomplishments and compare side by side to Masai since 2014.

What has Ainge, Riley, Nelson, and Marks accomplished over Masai in the past 7 years? Please tell me.

Is it wins? No.

Is it playoff runs? No.

Is it championships? No.

Is it player development? No.

Pooh_Jeter · Post #34 » by **Pooh_Jeter** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:34 pm

Danny1616 wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
8-12 range.

Okay so name me 8 GM's that have done more than Masai over the past 7 years. I want you to list all their accomplishments and compare side by side to Masai.

Lmao, if I don't get it to you by Friday at 4PM will my final mark be withheld?

Ainge, Riley, Nelson, Myers, Buford, Marks, take your pick of Nuggets executives, Morey, Horst, Presti and Olshey. The first 5 are absolutely better than him and it's not an argument. I'd probably have Masai 9th or 10th.

List all their accomplishments and compare side by side to Masai since 2014.

What has Ainge, Riley, Nelson, and Marks accomplished over Masai in the past 7 years? Please tell me.

Is it wins? No.

Is it playoff runs? No.

Is it championships? No.

Is it player development? No.

The Heat and Celtics are in the ECF because of their player development acumen. If you think they don't have a brighter future than the Raptors you're delusional.

I like for someone touting the success over a long period of time as one of Masai's best qualities you completely ignore that a bunch of these guys have been excellent FAR longer than Masai has allegedly been.

I'm not going to spend 2 hours of my day copying and pasting wikipedia articles for you when I know you're a Masai bootlicker and wouldn't change your mind if the man himself told you he wasn't a top 10 GM.

Danny1616 · Post #35 » by **Danny1616** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:36 pm

Pooh_Jeter wrote:
Danny1616 wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:
Lmao, if I don't get it to you by Friday at 4PM will my final mark be withheld?

Ainge, Riley, Nelson, Myers, Buford, Marks, take your pick of Nuggets executives, Morey, Horst, Presti and Olshey. The first 5 are absolutely better than him and it's not an argument. I'd probably have Masai 9th or 10th.

List all their accomplishments and compare side by side to Masai since 2014.

What has Ainge, Riley, Nelson, and Marks accomplished over Masai in the past 7 years? Please tell me.

Is it wins? No.

Is it playoff runs? No.

Is it championships? No.

Is it player development? No.

The Heat and Celtics are in the ECF because of their player development acumen. If you think they don't have a brighter future than the Raptors you're delusional.

I like for someone touting the success over a long period of time as one of Masai's best qualities you completely ignore that a bunch of these guys have been excellent FAR longer than Masai has allegedly been.

I'm not going to spend 2 hours of my day copying and pasting wikipedia articles for you when I know you're a Masai bootlicker and wouldn't change your mind if the man himself told you he wasn't a top 10 GM.

The Heat and Celtics are in the ECF because they are very good teams and had some luck.

And no, I don't think the Heat have a brighter future. Butler is 31 and on a long 5 year contract which takes away some flexibility. He has had some injury issues in the past. Similar to Lowry, I'm not sure how many years he has left playing at an elite level.

The Celtics have a very good young core, but Kemba looks like he was overpaid and they will have to decide if they are willing to give Brown max money or let him walk.

We were literally minutes away from knocking out the Celtics. The Celtics also benefited from Simmons getting hurt right before the playoffs and having an easy match-up with Philly (who they struggled against when Simmons was healthy).

Heat benefited from the Bucks having major issues coming into the bubble and not looking at all like the same team they had during the season.

Do you really believe that the Heat and Celtics are leaps and bounds ahead of us? We just saw that us and the Celtics were practically even and either team had a chance. Tatum is an excellent piece, but let's see if Ainge can keep that core together.

Even when we had Kawhi we were **** close from getting knocked out by the Bucks and Sixers. The margin of error for winning in the playoffs can be very small. Just look at the close series between the Clippers, Rockets, OKC, and Golden State between 2015-2019.

Again, you need some luck to win a championship. You need to be a very good team that is healthy, playing well at the right time, and wins those couple close games that are decider games in the playoffs.

For example: Last year we scraped by with a game 7 win over Philly, and if not for a double overtime win in game 3 against the Bucks, that series is also over.

Do you actually watch Raptor games? Or do you just come to post every time they lose? JW.

mcgrady_1 · Post #36 » by **mcgrady_1** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:41 pm

If Masai was a good GM we'd have this and be the best team in the universe...

Lowry, FVV
LeVert, Richardson
OG,Harris, Bogdanovic
Siakam, Ibaka
Jokic, Gasol

LOL.

Danny1616 · Post #37 » by **Danny1616** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:42 pm

mcgrady_1 wrote:If Masai was a good GM we'd have this and be the best team in the universe...

Lowry, FVV
LeVert, Richardson
OG,Harris, Bogdanovic
Siakam, Ibaka
Jokic, Gasol

LOL.

If only Masai had a crystal ball into the future.

Dalek · Post #38 » by **Dalek** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:45 pm

I was mad during that draft that we missed out on both Clint Capela and Jerami Grant. Jokic was totally not on my radar. I had Nurkic rated way higher.

mcgrady_1 · Post #39 » by **mcgrady_1** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:56 pm

Danny1616 wrote:
mcgrady_1 wrote:If Masai was a good GM we'd have this and be the best team in the universe...

Lowry, FVV
LeVert, Richardson
OG,Harris, Bogdanovic
Siakam, Ibaka
Jokic, Gasol

LOL.

If only Masai had a crystal ball into the future.

Maybe he should tune into realGM more.

-AirCanada- · Post #40 » by **-AirCanada-** » Mon Sep 14, 2020 11:03 pm

OakleyDokely wrote:
Pooh_Jeter wrote:I thought only Masai was capable of getting value in the 2nd round/from undrafted players? Every other GM is a peasant compared to the all mighty Masai Ujiri!
You're a broken record who ruìns every thread.

it's really bad