KGdaBom wrote:Mattya we could keep going over this forever. 1 I literally didn't. I know what fallacies are. I was the top student in my college class of 100 for logic. Never even got one question wrong throughout the class. You are making assumptions about things I never said. You may feel I implied them, but that's on you. It really makes me angry when people attribute things to me I never said. 2 I simply gave the facts. I didn't use them in any way. 3 I wasn't concerned about his Pick and roll defense. You were. My argument was never about his defense. It was always from the very start that his offense outweighed any defensive deficiencies he might have. 4 The topic is 2020 NBA draft prospects. You wanted to isolate his defense. I was never interested in that. I've never once trolled you. I don't know if I ever insulted you, but maybe. 5. I said exactly this. His defense isn't that bad. I defined that bad as being bad enough to negate his offense. No changing the subject and no way of proving I'm right or wrong. The best indicator we have is his ORtg of 125.5 and DRtg of 90.5. So how about stopping this idea that this is in some way a provable thing. It isn't. It's opinion. You can claim you're going off of experts, but that doesn't prove anything. Did these experts say his defense negated his offense. I will take that into limited consideration if they did. So can we discuss Toppin the 2020 draft prospect in whole or not. If not we drop it. If so I'm happy to discuss with you.
1. Bolded is meme worthy as you have displayed quite clearly you do not understand, especially after that “sarcasm” defense.
2. You literally did use them comparing the point differential between Toppin and Okongwu. Outright lies is the new strat now?
3. Oh you really are going to lie like we can’t go back and quote you about you saying “he won’t be that awful on defense”
4. More lies.
5. So which is it you were talking about defense or not. You can’t even keep your own dumb arguments straight.
1. You are just being rude, sarcastic and nasty. The bolded part is one of the few facts that have passed between us. I'm not going to tell you what you can do with your meme though. 2 You asked for facts. I gave them. I specifically said they didn't prove anything. Maybe I will tell you what to do with your lies. 3 I said his defense isn't that bad. I defined that as meaning bad enough to negate his offense. How many times do we need to go over this. 4. Check the heading for this thread. I promise you it's 2020 NBA Draft Prospects. As for lying about trolling you? Trolling is a matter of opinion. For me to lie about that I would have to believe I'm trolling you and I don't believe that. Screw that calling me a liar BS. You're basically choosing to be a jerk and dismiss my beliefs because you don't like them. 5 I was talking about the draft prospect Obi Toppin. My argument was whether he deserved to be a top 10 or better choice. I took his whole game into consideration and determined he was worth at worst the 10th pick in this upcoming draft. Probably better. I would put his range between 5-10 with LaMelo Ball somewhere behind him. So since you are determined to continuously be a jerk I will place you on iggy until you decide not to be a jerk. I don't care about any more lies you have to share regarding me. You realize your lies are creating a straw man out of me right? Yet you are the one whining about me doing that. I'm done. You don't discuss in good faith at all.
You promised me you were placing me on ignore a long time ago. So, I ask you for a second time, please do me the favor of putting me on ignore and save me from your pure stupidity.
Mattya wrote: Again, the problem is without context bad defenders all look the same. The problem with Toppin is he is a big who can’t contain pick and roll and is easily knocked off his stance by college wings. His limitations are physical. Then consider he is 3 years older than Ball or Edwards. I would guess Ball becomes more impactful defensively by age 22 than Toppin will ever be in his career. Ball already out rebounds Toppin and he is a point guard. I would guess the advanced stats for Ball defensively will be surprisingly better than his reputation on this board.
It could be, but that stats are from the Australian league...
Ball has alway been a good rebounder and good a gambling for steals. As he continued to show in Australia which probably isn’t as bad as you think.
Well, I don't know where are you from, but I am not American, where I live there are a pro basket team in a better league than Australian one and it sucks if you compare it with NBA.
And before the Australian league where he played? The Lithuanian one? Come on.
I will give him credit if he would had played in Real Madrid, Barcelona or European teams like that, not hiding in low level leagues to show some stats and highlight against semipro opponents.
I prefer to bring Campazzo to the NBA and draft Edward's or Wiseman.
Battletrigger wrote: It could be, but that stats are from the Australian league...
Ball has alway been a good rebounder and good a gambling for steals. As he continued to show in Australia which probably isn’t as bad as you think.
Well, I don't know where are you from, but I am not American, where I live there are a pro basket team in a better league than Australian one and it sucks if you compare it with NBA.
And before the Australian league where he played? The Lithuanian one? Come on.
I will give him credit if he would had played in Real Madrid, Barcelona or European teams like that, not hiding in low level leagues to show some stats and highlight against semipro opponents.
I prefer to bring Campazzo to the NBA and draft Edward's or Wiseman.
Drafting Wiseman would be wise man. . IMO Edwards easily a better choice than Ball. Wiseman is the prize (of the draft) man.
Battletrigger wrote: It could be, but that stats are from the Australian league...
Ball has alway been a good rebounder and good a gambling for steals. As he continued to show in Australia which probably isn’t as bad as you think.
Well, I don't know where are you from, but I am not American, where I live there are a pro basket team in a better league than Australian one and it sucks if you compare it with NBA.
And before the Australian league where he played? The Lithuanian one? Come on.
I will give him credit if he would had played in Real Madrid, Barcelona or European teams like that, not hiding in low level leagues to show some stats and highlight against semipro opponents.
I prefer to bring Campazzo to the NBA and draft Edward's or Wiseman.
Of course the league sucks in comparison to the NBA. Every league sucks in comparison to the NBA.
iamworthy wrote:If the wolves plan to draft Anthony Edwards, can someone explain the difference between Beasley and Edwards. Aren't they the same guy except Beasley is more proven?
I've been asking the same type of questions. Many Twolves fans are draft frontrunners to be kind. Beasley isn't a former top draft choice so he's cannon fodder for 6th man at best in their eyes.
I suppose they could try to claim he's a better net finisher. Although I don't know that to be true. Maybe better dribbler. Not sure. But he certainly has never shown the shooting accuracy yet to compare to Beasley. Nor the inner work ethic/drive. Also, Beasley is only 6'4". Where draft info on Edwards has him at 6'5". A height difference of one inch to some is grounds for divorce of your teams best shooter I guess. Of course draft and college team height is about as trustworthy as... Edwards could be 6'3.75", 6'4", 6'4.25" or 6'5". Who knows. 6'4" means can't defend, where as 6'5" could mean all nba defender.
The team also has another small undrafted guard that plays lights out in every way, including shooting. But again, the prior draft history and height rules him out in their eyes.
Jedzz wrote:Someone explain Edwards game IQ to me. I think he might be totally lost if ever playing off ball.
Second possesion of this clip: 19 seconds in. Second pass already as they walk up midcourt and his teammate is surveying the court. Edwards just stands there next to him demanding the ball. He teamate doesn't immediately give it to him, keeps surveying, but Edwards just stands there longer until he does. Edwrds finally gets his way and the ball and waits long enough for the original teammate that had the ball to reach the far corner and then passes across court to him in the corner. That dude sends it back across court to Edwards. Edwards jacks a brick from 3. This could be the story of the next three years.
Jedzz, I like your posts and agree with you often but I think you are missing it here with Edwards. That video showed me he's bad at making 35 foot 3 pointers. So is most everyone else.
The guy played on a very young, bad team where he was the star player who was asked to do it all because no one else could. He played like any 18 year old guy would with an inflated ego. Just remember that yesterday doesn't equal tomorrow. He won't do that if he comes to MN. Good coaching will harness his talent and his team mates will keep his ego in check. He won't be the best player on the Wolves so he'll have to grow up fast. That will be good for him.
The other thing is I do not see a Wiggins comp. No way. He blew hot and cold but played with passion often enough. Wiggins never played with passion. If we pass on him and he blows up into a big time player, I couldn't live with that.
Responding to red highligt: People keep saying this, yet this clip might show why it seemed like he had to do it all. He was demanding it. His teammate clearly doesn't want to give it to him here. His teammate was probably hoping he would go join the rest of his teammates and become a passing option for that player to begin the possession. But he didn't. He stood there until the player relented and gave it to him. Correct, he's likely not going to get away with that at the NBA level. But it just goes to show that maybe the narrative on this guy isn't exactly true. His ego obviously was in play there and you mentioned it. I'm wondering if given this about how he played in college could be the main reason it appeared he had to do everything. He may not have had it any other way and his college coach allowed it. Everyone saying "he had to" might turn out to be fiction. Now coming to NBA, does he have any experience to play off ball and do we know how he will react to that? That appears to be pure guessing. We know there are players like this which is why I've brought up Harden when discussing Edwards.
I can't claim you are wrong and that everyone is making up possitives about him. I'm just claiming there seems to be less proof of some of these claims being made than people's absolute statements and justification for being at the top. In fact, some proof to the contrary that I start to add to what are actually weaknesses people seem to agree on. Three level scoring is one thing I hear. Sure, but how accurately? Most upside? I'm not entirely sure there is evidence for that. Many players in this draft, some with better size, more athletic ability and more shooting skill proven should be considered with higher upside to me. Wouldn't you say that's possible?
I'll circle back to this to answer more at a later time when I've got it.
Adding: The purple: You are right. We can't say tomorrow that he won't pick up everything needed, refine his accuracy and shot choices, play off ball great, be a beast on defense. But that's the exact same claim we can make for every single prospect and not a reason to draft a player #1 overall. It's not a plus that we have to imagine he might if there are other players that have already shown they can. It's not guaranteed either way.
Blue: This is going to be true no matter who they choose. You say for you that's Edwards. For me, I think if Wiseman turns into Giannis, or something even similar yet shoots threes like Towns can, I'm going to hate living with that pass just as much. Maybe more than missing out on a 6'4 or 6'5 Harden-lite ego. Even if he ends up shooting great. Imagine if the 4th picked player becomes bigger than Lebron some day. "We passed on" is a risk no matter who we are talking about taking. But someone needs to start showing us all the proof of these unmistakeable qualities Edwards has shown that many of these other guards haven't before I'm going to just accept some of these lofty claims. Wiseman is the one player being hyped that has some unique qualities that stand out. A Harden level ego, to me, doesn't equate. It might serve him well some day if he turns out to be worthy of such a role. But even with Wiseman there is no assurance. I posted about another unique player named Alston I think on page 20. He could end up what everyone is talking about Wiseman as having a chance to be, yet no one is talking about him. Will he even be drafted? We don't know what these players will do and how we'll feel about that. Which is why I love to focus on those with shooting skill so we at least can have a player that can chip in with that no matter what and won't be a total bust.
Thanks for the response. I guess you haven't seen the good film on Edwards or the opposing coaches reports. Here is a review by respected Sam Vecenie...
"From Sam Vecenie Aug 20, 2020.
2020 NBA Mock Draft 7.0: Minnesota wins lottery, draft order set
"1. Minnesota Timberwolves
Anthony Edwards | 6-5 guard | 19 years old, freshman | Georgia
Edwards remains what I would call the closest thing to a consensus guy in this draft for NBA evaluators. I haven’t talked to a team that doesn’t see him as a top-five prospect, and most consider him a top-three prospect. Many think he clearly has the highest upside in the draft due to his physical tools. Indeed, Edwards is 6-foot-5, 225 pounds and has a lightning-quick first step off the bounce that allows him to blow by defenders with ease. He transitions speed to powerful explosiveness better than any other prospect in this class, which allows him to be a genuine shot-creator from all three levels. He averaged 19.1 points per game. Largely, he was the player responsible for creating those buckets, too. Personally, I have some concerns about his handle and think he needs to both tighten things up off the bounce, as well as add a bit more craft in terms of change of pace. But for the most part, I do believe that Edwards will be a high-level scorer at the NBA level.
Mostly, teams are concerned about the way he approaches the game. It’s very casual for a guy who profiles as a potential option at No. 1 overall. His shot selection was all over the place, and his effort and intensity level this season was not particularly good for Georgia. Teams didn’t think he asserted his physical tools on the game enough. I talked about Edwards recently on a podcast with scouting consultant Matt Pennie, and we ran through some of the contextual factors that made it tough for Edwards to do so. How much of his ambivalence had to do with playing for a bad Georgia team and having all the freedom in the world? But the picture wasn’t ideal when you also mix it with the fact that his defensive effort was particularly poor this season (the conversation starts around the 30-minute mark).
Still, at the No. 1 overall slot, you want someone who at least has the upside to be a difference-maker for your organization. Even if the floor might be relatively lower than the typical No. 1 overall pick for Edwards, there is very real All-Star upside here if he can work through some of the issues surrounding his game. For the Timberwolves, they already have D’Angelo Russell and Karl-Anthony Towns. Edwards is the best fit positionally. Some of Edwards’ issues could be exacerbated by playing next to Russell — such as the nonchalance he showcased this year defensively — but the Wolves would have the outlines of an elite level offense. If things break right, he could bring them the third star that they’ve been looking for since acquiring Towns back in the 2015 NBA Draft." ============
It's funny that to begin with I was all for O.O. because he was the best fit in my mind. Then it was pointed out be people I respect that Rosas wasn't interested in a big 4/5. Towns was the 5 and that's the way they are going. So I started to look elsewhere and then we got the #1 choice. Edwards was never on my radar initially. Which brings me to Wiseman. It doesn't seem likely they take Wiseman because we have Towns. I'm troubled by the small sample size on Wiseman. I don't see greatness in him like I did with KG when I first saw him. That's just me.
Nick K wrote:I see no reason OO couldn't play PF. I think he'd be great there because he can defend the position. I'd still be ok with him if he couldn't shoot the 3. We have others who can do that. OO rebounds, rim protects, does all the things around the basket we need. I love the guy. The question is if Rosas likes him. I don't think so.
Okongwu is an extremely athletic, quick, agile 6'9" player that can guard about any position he wants to. PF would probably be his best position to play defense against.
I couldn't agree more. You know how many rebounds were stolen from us last year just from a lack of blocking out? O'O fixes that in a hurry. If he just blocked shots, rebounded, got put backs and guarded the perimeter that would be fine by me.
According to most of the sources I have read Nesmith is the best shooter in the draft and I believe 6'6" tall. He'll be 21 on October 16th. He's a shooter only. Not a 3 and D. More like a 3 and no D. I wouldn't mind him as our 2nd pick in the draft at all.
The Ringer is reporting that the Warriors want a wing which is odd with Wiggins there or not LOL. They have us taking Edwards and Warriors taking Avdija. If we pass on Edwards they expect the Warriors to grab him. 2 months of agony until draft night.
- Powerful guard with elite length and explosiveness. Tough to contain, especially in transition. Strong first step and bouncy off one or two feet in space. Embraces contact in the paint.
- Three-level scorer who can function on or off the ball. Capable shooter with his feet set but most intriguing with the ball in his hands. Made 42 pull-up jumpers in 32 games, regularly elevating over the top of defenders with ease. Can splash a pull-up 3 if the defense goes under, rise up in midrange spots or use his strength and explosiveness to get all the way to the rim in a straight line. Shows potential as a facilitator, particularly in the open court.
- Strength, length and quickness to be a lockdown defender who can check three positions at the NBA level. Doesn't always buy in on that end but has shown glimpses. Can sit down and slide. Has the tools to make plays off the ball.
Improvement areas
- Still learning how to play on both ends. Decision-making is a work in progress. Tends to settle for contested jumpers rather than using his physicality to get all the way to the rim. Still learning how to play with elite players.
- Reputation for inconsistency in his production.
- Streaky perimeter shooter. Shot 29.1% from 3 on 237 attempts at Georgia.
- Undisciplined defender who isn't always engaged. Motor and intensity on that end fluctuates. Completely upright in his stance at times.
iamworthy wrote:If the wolves plan to draft Anthony Edwards, can someone explain the difference between Beasley and Edwards. Aren't they the same guy except Beasley is more proven?
not really
Beasley is more of a JJ Redick type so far in his career, good shooter given space, off of screens but cringe worthy when trying to create
Edwards from Sam Vecenie
Many think he clearly has the highest upside in the draft due to his physical tools. Indeed, Edwards is 6-foot-5, 225 pounds and has a lightning-quick first step off the bounce that allows him to blow by defenders with ease. He transitions speed to powerful explosiveness better than any other prospect in this class, which allows him to be a genuine shot-creator from all three levels.
iamworthy wrote:If the wolves plan to draft Anthony Edwards, can someone explain the difference between Beasley and Edwards. Aren't they the same guy except Beasley is more proven?
not really
Beasley is more of a JJ Redick type so far in his career, good shooter given space, off of screens but cringe worthy when trying to create
Edwards from Sam Vecenie
Many think he clearly has the highest upside in the draft due to his physical tools. Indeed, Edwards is 6-foot-5, 225 pounds and has a lightning-quick first step off the bounce that allows him to blow by defenders with ease. He transitions speed to powerful explosiveness better than any other prospect in this class, which allows him to be a genuine shot-creator from all three levels.
In addition to what you said, ESPN has Beasley down as 6'4" and weighing 187 lbs. Going back to his combine measurements, he has a 6'7" wingspan. In comparison, the Georgia prospect is listed as 6'5" and 225 lbs. He supposedly has a wingspan of 6'9". Physically, they are two different types of SG.
At Florida State, Beasley was known as a knock-down shooter. I don't recall seeing the step-back moves of Edwards. I will say, though, both looked good in transition during their one-and-done seasons in college.
Should the Wolves select Edwards, Beasley should still be retained and even start. There are plenty of minutes to go around.
Nick K wrote:Thanks for the response. I guess you haven't seen the good film on Edwards or the opposing coaches reports. Here is a review by respected Sam Vecenie...
"From Sam Vecenie Aug 20, 2020.
2020 NBA Mock Draft 7.0: Minnesota wins lottery, draft order set
"1. Minnesota Timberwolves
Anthony Edwards | 6-5 guard | 19 years old, freshman | Georgia
Edwards remains what I would call the closest thing to a consensus guy in this draft for NBA evaluators. I haven’t talked to a team that doesn’t see him as a top-five prospect, and most consider him a top-three prospect. Many think he clearly has the highest upside in the draft due to his physical tools. Indeed, Edwards is 6-foot-5, 225 pounds and has a lightning-quick first step off the bounce that allows him to blow by defenders with ease. He transitions speed to powerful explosiveness better than any other prospect in this class, which allows him to be a genuine shot-creator from all three levels. He averaged 19.1 points per game. Largely, he was the player responsible for creating those buckets, too. Personally, I have some concerns about his handle and think he needs to both tighten things up off the bounce, as well as add a bit more craft in terms of change of pace. But for the most part, I do believe that Edwards will be a high-level scorer at the NBA level.
Mostly, teams are concerned about the way he approaches the game. It’s very casual for a guy who profiles as a potential option at No. 1 overall. His shot selection was all over the place, and his effort and intensity level this season was not particularly good for Georgia. Teams didn’t think he asserted his physical tools on the game enough. I talked about Edwards recently on a podcast with scouting consultant Matt Pennie, and we ran through some of the contextual factors that made it tough for Edwards to do so. How much of his ambivalence had to do with playing for a bad Georgia team and having all the freedom in the world? But the picture wasn’t ideal when you also mix it with the fact that his defensive effort was particularly poor this season (the conversation starts around the 30-minute mark).
Still, at the No. 1 overall slot, you want someone who at least has the upside to be a difference-maker for your organization. Even if the floor might be relatively lower than the typical No. 1 overall pick for Edwards, there is very real All-Star upside here if he can work through some of the issues surrounding his game. For the Timberwolves, they already have D’Angelo Russell and Karl-Anthony Towns. Edwards is the best fit positionally.Some of Edwards’ issues could be exacerbated by playing next to Russell — such as the nonchalance he showcased this year defensively — but the Wolves would have the outlines of an elite level offense. If things break right, he could bring them the third star that they’ve been looking for since acquiring Towns back in the 2015 NBA Draft." ============
It's funny that to begin with I was all for O.O. because he was the best fit in my mind. Then it was pointed out be people I respect that Rosas wasn't interested in a big 4/5. Towns was the 5 and that's the way they are going. So I started to look elsewhere and then we got the #1 choice. Edwards was never on my radar initially. Which brings me to Wiseman. It doesn't seem likely they take Wiseman because we have Towns. I'm troubled by the small sample size on Wiseman. I don't see greatness in him like I did with KG when I first saw him. That's just me.
red: I have a problem with these statements. "I haven't talked to a team that didn't see him as..." Well, exactly how many teams are we talking about heren? I get it's his job but if you are going to state that, maybe say I've spoken to 30 teams and they all say...and then I might think about hearing that. Or was it a rep from 7 teams? I don't really believe what other teams are saying right now at all anyway.
Then there is these nugget lines: due to his physical tools. Indeed, Edwards is 6-foot-5, 225 pounds There are so many in this draft that have near the same or better tools. Which makes me ask, why are they claiming it only for him? has a lightning-quick first step off the bounce that allows him to blow by defenders with ease. Yeah, and so does McLaughlin, who always finishes great. This is one thing that if true is a very good thing for Edwards. Even if the floor might be relatively lower than the typical No. 1 overall pick Yeah great. boom or bust
Look. I know I'm overly negative sounding about a kid was was playing at age 18/19. There is every chance he cleans up a few things with next level coaching and becomes a star yet. But I'm just trying to answer these star bright claims being afforded this one kid in a draft when there might be 6 guys capable of the ending up all the same who already showed more refinement getting no love and no "potential" for them to improve at all.
I look at drafts like 2013 where Cleveland had the pick and nobody was certain about #1 overall. "It's a bit strange that we aren't sure what name will come out of the commissioner's mouth quite yet, as the top selection is normally predetermined well before the actual proceedings. But hey, it adds a bit of mystery and intrigue to an otherwise uninspiring draft class. "bleacherreport.com/articles...predictions\ Some of the mocks in 2013. #1 Nerlens Noel.McLemore, Porter, Bennet #4, ...Shabazz Muhammad #7 #1 Alex Len. Noel, Porter, McLemore, ...Bennet at #7. #1 Noel, McLemore, Porter, Bennett, ...McCollum at #8 #1 Noel, Oladipo, Porter, Len, ...Bennet #8 #1 McLemore, Noel, Porter, Bennet #4
Same story. People couldn't see a stud separation sure-fire #1. So they all spun themselves into a tizzy over the same 3 to 4 prospects and couldn't open their eyes to find the golden goose or even some of the better players of that draft. Namely: #15 Giannis Adetokunbo(6-9/195), 27 Rudy Gobert(7-2/238), 10 CJ McCollum(6-3/190), 17 Dennis Schroeder (6-1/180), ... Is Nerlens Noel any better than #44 Mike Muscala since that draft? How about undrafteds like Covington, Seth Curry, Dellavedova
Go figure, MN got the #1 this year. Like Cleveland getting it 2013 and 2014.
Noel is just simply the best player in this class. From an advanced statistic standpoint, from a scouting standpoint, any way you look at Noel he is the real deal. Had he not injured his knee, I think we'd be looking at an Anthony Davis-style lock at #1 overall. 2. Trey Burke, 6'1" 187 3. Otto Porter, 6'9" 198 He's been considered the "safe" pick of this draft, and I'd agree... 4. Victor Oladipo, 6'4" 213 Definitely my top SG in the class. 5. Alex Len A huge upside pick, Len could be the best player in this class or a bust. 6. Anthony Bennett, 6'7" 240 Bennett is probably the most polished scorer in this draft,... I just don't think he's going to be able to defend anyon. 7. Ben McLemore, 6'5" 189 I've never been McLemore's biggest fan. (still put him at #7) 8. MCW, 6'6" 184 Another boom-or-bust guy with All-Star potential, Carter-Williams shows an innate ability to get into the lane and to the rim. He's also probably the best passer in this class. If he could shoot, he'd be the clear #1 point guard. However, because of that I worry that defenses will be able to play off of him and hinder his ability to get to the rim.. (still put him at #8, is this somewhat Edwards like?) 9. Cody Zeller, 7'0" 230 One of the most fluid seven-footers I've ever seen, 10. Shabazz Muhammad, 6'6" 222 11. Steven Adams, 7'0" 255 He's probably the best combination of athleticism and size in this draft. Adams runs the floor like a deer, times his blocks like a veteran, and uses length his length on the perimeter to defend better than any big in the draft.. (Maybe he should have read this twice and then swapped placed with Noel or Len?) ... 16. Giannis Antetokounmpo, 6'9" 196 (he has a nice story written for Giannis that I have to wonder if was edited later or not because with the potential he spoke of here it sure betrays slotting him at 16. Maybe I'm wrong and he just doesn't draft on potential alone.) ... 24. Rudy Gobert, 7'2" 238 Gobert is pretty much a potential pick.
Yup roughly the same as most back then. Giannis 16, Gobert 24
- Powerful guard with elite length and explosiveness. Tough to contain, especially in transition. Strong first step and bouncy off one or two feet in space. Embraces contact in the paint.
- Three-level scorer who can function on or off the ball. Capable shooter with his feet set but most intriguing with the ball in his hands. Made 42 pull-up jumpers in 32 games, regularly elevating over the top of defenders with ease. Can splash a pull-up 3 if the defense goes under, rise up in midrange spots or use his strength and explosiveness to get all the way to the rim in a straight line. Shows potential as a facilitator, particularly in the open court.
- Strength, length and quickness to be a lockdown defender who can check three positions at the NBA level. Doesn't always buy in on that end but has shown glimpses. Can sit down and slide. Has the tools to make plays off the ball.
Improvement areas
- Still learning how to play on both ends. Decision-making is a work in progress. Tends to settle for contested jumpers rather than using his physicality to get all the way to the rim. Still learning how to play with elite players.
- Reputation for inconsistency in his production.
- Streaky perimeter shooter. Shot 29.1% from 3 on 237 attempts at Georgia.
- Undisciplined defender who isn't always engaged. Motor and intensity on that end fluctuates. Completely upright in his stance at times.
Projected role: Star scoring guard
Where did you get the 6'3" from. I've never heard anything less than 6'5".
- Has elite size for a point guard at 6-foot-7. Controls the game from his unique vantage point with impressive creativity, flair, poise and instincts operating off a live dribble.
-Gifted ball handler who plays at different speeds and can make every pass with either hand, especially operating out of pick-and-roll. Throws 90-foot outlets, makes magical touch passes.
- Has a chance to be an adequate defender due to his combination of terrific size, quick feet and instincts, particularly when he's playing with energy. Already has some impressive moments rotating for steals and contesting shots around the basket. Excellent rebounder for a guard.
- Won't turn 19 until well after the draft. Will be one of the youngest players picked in the first round. Might still be growing.
Improvement areas
- Has struggled to score efficiently throughout his career. Shot just 46% from 2-point range and 25% from 3. Shoots jumpers with unorthodox mechanics, including a two-handed release while kicking out his legs. The touch he shows on floaters and career 82% free throw percentage leaves room for optimism, but his inability to buy a basket at times this season in the half court was discouraging.
- Lacks a degree of high-end explosiveness creating offense from a standstill and beating opponents off the dribble. Doesn't have the strength to finish what he does create around the basket. Relies on a lot of tough floaters and other difficult attempts inside the arc.
- Indifferent defender for much of his career. Still reverts back to that frequently, especially off the ball. Struggles to get over screens due to his lack of strength. Has been maligned at times for his work ethic and level of focus.
Projected role: Franchise point guard
This guy is the pick. Can’t believe so many of you guys can’t see it.
- Powerful guard with elite length and explosiveness. Tough to contain, especially in transition. Strong first step and bouncy off one or two feet in space. Embraces contact in the paint.
- Three-level scorer who can function on or off the ball. Capable shooter with his feet set but most intriguing with the ball in his hands. Made 42 pull-up jumpers in 32 games, regularly elevating over the top of defenders with ease. Can splash a pull-up 3 if the defense goes under, rise up in midrange spots or use his strength and explosiveness to get all the way to the rim in a straight line. Shows potential as a facilitator, particularly in the open court.
- Strength, length and quickness to be a lockdown defender who can check three positions at the NBA level. Doesn't always buy in on that end but has shown glimpses. Can sit down and slide. Has the tools to make plays off the ball.
Improvement areas
- Still learning how to play on both ends. Decision-making is a work in progress. Tends to settle for contested jumpers rather than using his physicality to get all the way to the rim. Still learning how to play with elite players.
- Reputation for inconsistency in his production.
- Streaky perimeter shooter. Shot 29.1% from 3 on 237 attempts at Georgia.
- Undisciplined defender who isn't always engaged. Motor and intensity on that end fluctuates. Completely upright in his stance at times.
Projected role: Star scoring guard
Where did you get the 6'3" from. I've never heard anything less than 6'5".
That was listed on the draft express on ESPN.
All listings in the NBA are now without shoes. So Edwards is 6’3 without shoes, and probably 6’5 with shoes.
Just like how Towns use to be 7’0, he’s now listed at 6’11.
- Has elite size for a point guard at 6-foot-7. Controls the game from his unique vantage point with impressive creativity, flair, poise and instincts operating off a live dribble.
-Gifted ball handler who plays at different speeds and can make every pass with either hand, especially operating out of pick-and-roll. Throws 90-foot outlets, makes magical touch passes.
- Has a chance to be an adequate defender due to his combination of terrific size, quick feet and instincts, particularly when he's playing with energy. Already has some impressive moments rotating for steals and contesting shots around the basket. Excellent rebounder for a guard.
- Won't turn 19 until well after the draft. Will be one of the youngest players picked in the first round. Might still be growing.
Improvement areas
- Has struggled to score efficiently throughout his career. Shot just 46% from 2-point range and 25% from 3. Shoots jumpers with unorthodox mechanics, including a two-handed release while kicking out his legs. The touch he shows on floaters and career 82% free throw percentage leaves room for optimism, but his inability to buy a basket at times this season in the half court was discouraging.
- Lacks a degree of high-end explosiveness creating offense from a standstill and beating opponents off the dribble. Doesn't have the strength to finish what he does create around the basket. Relies on a lot of tough floaters and other difficult attempts inside the arc.
- Indifferent defender for much of his career. Still reverts back to that frequently, especially off the ball. Struggles to get over screens due to his lack of strength. Has been maligned at times for his work ethic and level of focus.
Projected role: Franchise point guard
This guy is the pick. Can’t believe so many of you guys can’t see it.
. IMO Edwards easily a better choice than Ball.